August 29, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, pgcd3 said: Reagor never had 400 yards. Ross never had a good season. Dotson had a good rookie year with 500+ in 10 games and then had a disappointing 500+ last year in 17. I don’t think he should be lumped in with other failed 1s. At least not yet Plus he’s not here now to be that 1st round pick. He’s not here to be a stud or to be a star. He’s here to be the WR3 and likely the 4th or 5th option most weeks.
August 30, 20241 yr On 8/28/2024 at 1:31 AM, birdman#12 said: So, you wouldn't have traded a 1st rounder for AJ Brown? No, I would have had confidence and used the 2 #1's, two players are always better than 1.
August 30, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, EagleVA said: No, I would have had confidence and used the 2 #1's, two players are always better than 1. What about 3 players? Are 3 players better than 1? What about 4? Since it's the Dotson thread.... "Commanders"
August 30, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, EagleVA said: No, I would have had confidence and used the 2 #1's, two players are always better than 1. And you can move that 1st rounder to eventually end up with dozens of 7th round picks… that would be the ultimate goal
August 30, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, EagleVA said: No, I would have had confidence and used the 2 #1's, two players are always better than 1. Also..... They GOT two players with their two #1s. AJ brown and Jordan Davis With that pick, the Titans got..... Treylon Burks. Womp Womp
September 3, 20241 yr On 8/28/2024 at 5:03 PM, eagle45 said: I think we are over-rationalizing a bit here. Dotson might become a revelation and a total steal. Not saying it won't happen. But he was not good last year. He will not get many targets this year. 1st round WRs coming off disappointing years who are entering year 3 go for a massive discount. Just look at Reagor. Didn't someone post (prior to this trade) a list ranking all 3rd WRs in the entire NFL recently? It was a really interesting list to look at. The first thing that jumped out at me was that the vast majority sucked. The second is that they all came cheaply (unless they were expensive demoted disappointments). You can't just look at stats and determine Dotson "was not good" last year.......he was playing in a lousy offense with a rookie QB. McLaurin's numbers were down too. And Dotson has performed since he was a rookie on a bad team. Things could be very different this year. And 3rd WR always get less looks......it's usually WR1, WR2 and TE....it's not that they suck, it's the lack of targets......the game is very fast, QBs have to get the ball out in 2-3 seconds tops.....or scramble. Can't catch a ball that rarely comes. Kellen Moore wants his receivers to play all 3 spots too for mismatch and confusion purposes......Dotson just may get a lot more chances this year.
September 29, 20241 yr Well a quarter into the season and this looks like a colossal failure. Far worse than the Golden Tate trade.
September 29, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, time2rock said: Well a quarter into the season and this looks like a colossal failure. Far worse than the Golden Tate trade. Maybe we should stop trading 3rd rd pcks for WRs And Jameis, I mean Jalen, has never been able to consistently incorporate any receiver outside of AJ, Smitty, or Goedert
September 30, 20241 yr So I asked a few Commanders fans why they traded this guy and they told me that this guy was very slow at picking up the new playbook and people just didn’t think he was progressing well. So in short Howie paid a third round pick for a guy they were probably going to cut.
September 30, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: So I asked a few Commanders fans why they traded this guy and they told me that this guy was very slow at picking up the new playbook and people just didn’t think he was progressing well. So in short Howie paid a third round pick for a guy they were probably going to cut. It's Hurts and the offensive philopophy. Dotson caught 84 passes for 1,041 yards as a 1st and 2nd yea player for Washington. Did he forget to run routes and get open all of a sudden? The Eagles are where 3rd WRs go to die
September 30, 20241 yr I'd say he is MIA, but that would imply he actually saw some action. What a waste.
September 30, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said: It's Hurts and the offensive philopophy. Dotson caught 84 passes for 1,041 yards as a 1st and 2nd yea player for Washington. Did he forget to run routes and get open all of a sudden? The Eagles are where 3rd WRs go to die Oh for sure, the Commanders traded a former 1st round pick huge WR talent away for a 3rd because their new franchise QB just had too many weapons and was freaking out in practice about which guy to throw to. He had 2 catches in a game where WR1 and 1A were out, maybe the issue is play calling AND him.
September 30, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Oh for sure, the Commanders traded a former 1st round pick huge WR talent away for a 3rd because their new franchise QB just had too many weapons and was freaking out in practice about which guy to throw to. He had 2 catches in a game where WR1 and 1A were out, maybe the issue is play calling AND him. 31 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Oz has as many catches in four games with Washington as he had all last year with the Eagles. It's Hurts.
September 30, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said: Oz has as many catches in four games with Washington as he had all last year with the Eagles. It's Hurts. How many games without the top two guys did Oz register 2 catches in last year and this year with the Commanders?
September 30, 20241 yr 43 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: How many games without the top two guys did Oz register 2 catches in last year and this year with the Commanders? I don't know. I do know Dotson didn't go from a solid receiver who burned the Eagles with eight catches in a game last year to a bum overnight. He isn't a washed 30 plus WR like Jones or somebody who can't catch a cold like Watkins. It's Hurts.
September 30, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, time2rock said: Well a quarter into the season and this looks like a colossal failure. Far worse than the Golden Tate trade. No, Dotson was a very good pickup. But the eagles have a QB that is too slow on his progressions and rarely gets to his 3rd or 4th read. Dotson can't catch passes that are never thrown to him. I said this before the trade and for a while now......Hurts is too slow on his reads. And until he gets better at that, I don't care who they have at 3rd WR, they will always have pitiful numbers playing with Hurts.
September 30, 20241 yr 37 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: No, Dotson was a very good pickup. But the eagles have a QB that is too slow on his progressions and rarely gets to his 3rd or 4th read. Dotson can't catch passes that are never thrown to him. I said this before the trade and for a while now......Hurts is too slow on his reads. And until he gets better at that, I don't care who they have at 3rd WR, they will always have pitiful numbers playing with Hurts. Well Tate was a good receiver too but it was a waste of a pick to bring him in. Ditto Dotson.
September 30, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Eagles1960 said: It's Hurts and the offensive philopophy. Dotson caught 84 passes for 1,041 yards as a 1st and 2nd yea player for Washington. Did he forget to run routes and get open all of a sudden? The Eagles are where 3rd WRs go to die 50 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: No, Dotson was a very good pickup. But the eagles have a QB that is too slow on his progressions and rarely gets to his 3rd or 4th read. Dotson can't catch passes that are never thrown to him. I said this before the trade and for a while now......Hurts is too slow on his reads. And until he gets better at that, I don't care who they have at 3rd WR, they will always have pitiful numbers playing with Hurts. The rumour was the Commanders were going to cut Dotson. He struggled to learn the playbook or get separation in man coverage. He is probably having the same issues in Philly where he has a limited knowledge of the playbook and hasn't looked like getting open when we have seen him on the field. Howie took the risk to bring in a guy that was a first round draft pick and it hasn't panned out like a lot of the other off-season moves so far.
September 30, 20241 yr When we made the trade I had a very low bar in mind for him and thought it would be impossible to disappoint given that. I was wrong. In DFS I targeted Campbell over him and was not disappointed FFS.
September 30, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Eagles1960 said: It's Hurts and the offensive philopophy. Dotson caught 84 passes for 1,041 yards as a 1st and 2nd yea player for Washington. Did he forget to run routes and get open all of a sudden? The Eagles are where 3rd WRs go to die I can't disagree with that last part. Hurts has failed to successfully get the #3 receiver involved since he's been here. Olamide Zaccheus was brought in last season to be the slot receiver and had 10 receptions all season. He's already totaled that amount in the first four weeks with the Commanders. Hurts needs to see the field better and get the "others" involved.
September 30, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, PhillyPhreak24 said: I can't disagree with that last part. Hurts has failed to successfully get the #3 receiver involved since he's been here. Olamide Zaccheus was brought in last season to be the slot receiver and had 10 receptions all season. He's already totaled that amount in the first four weeks with the Commanders. Hurts needs to see the field better and get the "others" involved. I'm just going to look at this season so far Hurts vs Packers - He targeted 8 different guys with 6 making at least 1 catch Hurts vs Falcons - Targets 7 different guys, 6 make a catch Hurts vs Saints - Targets 8 guys, all 8 make a catch Hurts vs Bucs - Targets 9 guys with 7 making a catch The volume has gone a lot to guys like Brown/Smith/Goedert, but they were also able to make some game winning plays. The idea should be that he doesn't force it and he hasn't looked like it this year as much as the previous season. Dotson isn't getting 'involved' because he can't get separation. Wilson is more of a run blocking WR and when he had the chance to catch a TD he dropped the ball. The other guys are sitting on the Eagles practice squad and probably wouldn't be on just about any other NFL team at this point in their careers.
October 1, 20241 yr On 9/30/2024 at 6:53 AM, Mat said: The rumour was the Commanders were going to cut Dotson. He struggled to learn the playbook or get separation in man coverage. He is probably having the same issues in Philly where he has a limited knowledge of the playbook and hasn't looked like getting open when we have seen him on the field. Howie took the risk to bring in a guy that was a first round draft pick and it hasn't panned out like a lot of the other off-season moves so far. I'm not buying that.......Rumors are just media people creating narrative. Dotson has been productive since he was drafted with below average QBs. And,, all of a sudden, he can't learn the playbook or can't get open? The problem lies with Hurts. WRs can't catch a ball that never comes. Hurts REALLY struggles to get thru his progressions quickly, which usually leads to a 3rd WR getting almost no opportunities. This team has been looking for a 3rd WR since Hurts got here......and that's not the problem. It's Hurts being too slow to get thru his progressions...and he struggles to anticipate a WR getting open......
October 1, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: I'm not buying that.......Rumors are just media people creating narrative. Dotson has been productive since he was drafted with below average QBs. And,, all of a sudden, he can't learn the playbook or can't get open? The problem lies with Hurts. WRs can't catch a ball that never comes. Hurts REALLY struggles to get thru his progressions quickly, which usually leads to a 3rd WR getting almost no opportunities. This team has been looking for a 3rd WR since Hurts got here......and that's not the problem. It's Hurts being too slow to get thru his progressions...and he struggles to anticipate a WR getting open...... He had an okay first season and a poor second year. He had less yards and TD's in more games, targets and receptions in year 2. He was being outperformed in camp by guys like Dyami Brown. Teams don't trade first round picks so quickly unless there is an issue. Howie tried to buy low and hoped that he could give the team so upside as the third WR. It hasn't paid off yet and all the knocks on him in Washington are showing up in Philly. He had the chance to stamp himself in the Bucs game with more opportunities and was basically invisible Not everything is a Hurts issue. Not everything is a Nick/Moore issue. The Dotson issue is a Dotson issue.
October 2, 20241 yr On 8/28/2024 at 8:03 PM, eagle45 said: I think we are over-rationalizing a bit here. Dotson might become a revelation and a total steal. Not saying it won't happen. But he was not good last year. He will not get many targets this year. 1st round WRs coming off disappointing years who are entering year 3 go for a massive discount. Just look at Reagor. Didn't someone post (prior to this trade) a list ranking all 3rd WRs in the entire NFL recently? It was a really interesting list to look at. The first thing that jumped out at me was that the vast majority sucked. The second is that they all came cheaply (unless they were expensive demoted disappointments). I quote my dumb takes, might as well quote the good ones.
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