October 2, 20241 yr Yet ANOTHER example of a player being much better before and/or after playing for the Eagles in recent years. This is a guy who had 500 yards and 7 TD"s in 12 games as a rookie, and 500 yards with 4 TD's in his second season with horrible QB play. Now all of a sudden he looks like one of the worst WR's in the league. People have their opinions whether it's the coaching, QB, or both, but either way blaming Dotson is a lazy bad take. Dude didn't forget how to play football or lose a step before 25 years old. I know the same issue is happening on defense though where guys are good elsewhere, then come here and suck, or suck here only to go elsewhere and play well. Something downright stinks with this team and we are literally re-living the collapse down the stretch last season to start the season. The biggest people to blame are Lurie and Roseman who watched a team quit on a coach who was in over his head last year and thought if they took away all of his power and hired new coordinators something would change.
October 2, 20241 yr 36 minutes ago, T-1000 said: Yet ANOTHER example of a player being much better before and/or after playing for the Eagles in recent years. This is a guy who had 500 yards and 7 TD"s in 12 games as a rookie, and 500 yards with 4 TD's in his second season with horrible QB play. Now all of a sudden he looks like one of the worst WR's in the league. People have their opinions whether it's the coaching, QB, or both, but either way blaming Dotson is a lazy bad take. Dude didn't forget how to play football or lose a step before 25 years old. I know the same issue is happening on defense though where guys are good elsewhere, then come here and suck, or suck here only to go elsewhere and play well. Something downright stinks with this team and we are literally re-living the collapse down the stretch last season to start the season. The biggest people to blame are Lurie and Roseman who watched a team quit on a coach who was in over his head last year and thought if they took away all of his power and hired new coordinators something would change. Why would the Commanders let Dotson go when after McLaurin their WR room consisted of Zaccheaus, McCaffrey, Crowder and Dyami Brown? They managed to get Noah Brown after the Texans cut him as their WR 2, but that has to be bordering on the worst crop of WR's in the league and Dotson still wasn't any better than those guys in their eyes. It's lazy to blame Hurts or Sirianni or Moore in this case. Howie took a risk hoping that he needed a change of scenery, hoping that he would live up to his pre-draft status and be an upgrade over guys like John Ross and Wilson who isn't NFL ready. So far he hasn't looked like producing and he may have a better back end to the season once he settles in a bit more. Ideally they should have gone after Noah Brown if he was available and the Texans were looking to cut him and keep Woods. He would have cost them far less and he is a pretty good 3rd/4th WR that can pinch hit as a starter.
October 2, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Mat said: Why would the Commanders let Dotson go when after McLaurin their WR room consisted of Zaccheaus, McCaffrey, Crowder and Dyami Brown? They managed to get Noah Brown after the Texans cut him as their WR 2, but that has to be bordering on the worst crop of WR's in the league and Dotson still wasn't any better than those guys in their eyes. It's lazy to blame Hurts or Sirianni or Moore in this case. Howie took a risk hoping that he needed a change of scenery, hoping that he would live up to his pre-draft status and be an upgrade over guys like John Ross and Wilson who isn't NFL ready. So far he hasn't looked like producing and he may have a better back end to the season once he settles in a bit more. Ideally they should have gone after Noah Brown if he was available and the Texans were looking to cut him and keep Woods. He would have cost them far less and he is a pretty good 3rd/4th WR that can pinch hit as a starter. They didn't "let him go." That implies he was cut. They got a third and two sevens for Dotson and a 5th. They made a decision they wanted draft capital. The Eagles wasted draft capital on Dotson not because he stinks. Because Hurts won't throw the ball to anybody but the Big Three even when two of The Big three aren't playinjg.
October 2, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said: They didn't "let him go." That implies he was cut. They got a third and two sevens for Dotson and a 5th. They made a decision they wanted draft capital. The Eagles wasted draft capital on Dotson not because he stinks. Because Hurts won't throw the ball to anybody but the Big Three even when two of The Big three aren't playinjg. They got the equivalent value of a 4th round pick in return for a guy that was a first round pick 2 years ago, they don't have to cut him to let him go. I think they would have preferred to not waste a pick on a guy, let alone trade him for a mid round pick 2 years later. That is normally a pretty bad sign that there is an issue with the player. It was the same as the Eagles letting Reagor go to the Vikings in a trade for a 7th and conditional 4th. They knew it wasn't going to pan out and were more than happy to let him go elsewhere for any compensation they could get. Hurts was looking to get Covey involved before he injured his shoulder, the YPC weren't great, but he had 6 receptions on 6 targets in the Falcons game and 1 for 11 in the Saints game. Meanwhile Dotson across all 4 games has had 9 targets, 5 reception and 25 yards. Covey is outpacing him in receptions and yards.
October 3, 20241 yr 21 hours ago, Mat said: Why would the Commanders let Dotson go when after McLaurin their WR room consisted of Zaccheaus, McCaffrey, Crowder and Dyami Brown? They managed to get Noah Brown after the Texans cut him as their WR 2, but that has to be bordering on the worst crop of WR's in the league and Dotson still wasn't any better than those guys in their eyes. It's lazy to blame Hurts or Sirianni or Moore in this case. Howie took a risk hoping that he needed a change of scenery, hoping that he would live up to his pre-draft status and be an upgrade over guys like John Ross and Wilson who isn't NFL ready. So far he hasn't looked like producing and he may have a better back end to the season once he settles in a bit more. Ideally they should have gone after Noah Brown if he was available and the Texans were looking to cut him and keep Woods. He would have cost them far less and he is a pretty good 3rd/4th WR that can pinch hit as a starter. You are ignoring facts. As a rookie with bad QB play he had 500 yards and 7 TD's in only 12 games. He regressed a little bit in his second season playing in 17 games and getting 500 yards with 4 TD's. He is at the very least a 500-600 yard WR in this league as he proved in his first two seasons with terrible QB play no less. Right now for the Eagles he looks like one of the worst receivers in the league. As I said, he didn't forget how to play football, his first two seasons weren't a fluke as he was a first round pick, and he didn't lose a step before 25. These are all facts, if you want to deny them and go with the lazy stupid take and assume that Dotson can't play all of a sudden, good for you. This team is a poorly coached dumpster fire where the coach and QB aren't on the same page at all, and it appears based on several moves (Dotson, White, Huff) that the GM and coaching staff isn't on the same page either. There is a reason why players have success elsewhere and come here and can't play, and/or leave here and play really good. There are several examples of this over the last couple of years.
October 3, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, T-1000 said: You are ignoring facts. As a rookie with bad QB play he had 500 yards and 7 TD's in only 12 games. He regressed a little bit in his second season playing in 17 games and getting 500 yards with 4 TD's. He is at the very least a 500-600 yard WR in this league as he proved in his first two seasons with terrible QB play no less. Right now for the Eagles he looks like one of the worst receivers in the league. As I said, he didn't forget how to play football, his first two seasons weren't a fluke as he was a first round pick, and he didn't lose a step before 25. These are all facts, if you want to deny them and go with the lazy stupid take and assume that Dotson can't play all of a sudden, good for you. This team is a poorly coached dumpster fire where the coach and QB aren't on the same page at all, and it appears based on several moves (Dotson, White, Huff) that the GM and coaching staff isn't on the same page either. There is a reason why players have success elsewhere and come here and can't play, and/or leave here and play really good. There are several examples of this over the last couple of years. I'm not ignoring facts at all. You can say the QB play was terrible, but the Washington QB's combined for over 4000 yards passing last year with plenty of opportunities to catch the ball and pump his numbers up as the WR 2 while playing from behind. Even then, Dotson has had 2 x 100 yard games in his career with his best game against the Eagles and that horrendous secondary with Howell slinging it. It is not a slight regression in year 2, he went from 43 yards per game to 30, 1 TD every 2 games to one TD every 4 with pretty much the same number of receptions per game. He was also a clear number 2 in snaps with 910 (82.20%) behind only McLaurin with 941. This was after a significant increase from his rookie year where he had 651 snaps (54.71%). Dotson played far more snaps than Curtis Samuel (910 vs 571) last year, yet Samuel was a more effective WR than him (and has been the last 2 years). Samuel is now playing with a better QB in Buffalo where they don't have a lot at WR and he only has 8 receptions for 48 yards. When you're seeing soft prevent defenses you put up empty stats, that is a fact. There are teams with far worse QB play than the Commanders last year. The Titans, Jets, Pats, Giants and the list goes on. Demario Douglas played a total of 481 snaps last year and had 561 yards. Chris freaking Moore had 94 yards less than Dotson with 314 less snaps. Douglas was a 6th round pick (and has honestly looked good for the Pats) and Moore is a journeyman that I didn't even know existed. So having 500 yards on the amount of snaps that he played in year 2 isn't something that should wow anyone. The fact is Dotson wasn't good enough to beat out guys like Dyami Brown or Zaccheus. Washington saw enough in camp to happily trade him and get something for him, otherwise he was a likely cut candidate and he would have had to go through the waiver process. He wasn't some slam dunk prospect for the Eagles to pick up and dominate as a 3rd option. As the number 2 option, these were his numbers for the last 9 games of 2023 (after the big Eagles game) 4 receptions, 8 targets for 69 yards and a TD vs NE (awful team) 0/2 for donuts against the Seahawks 3/4 for 23 yards and a TD vs the Giants (awful team) 5/6 for 52 yards against Dallas in a 45-10 loss 2/5 for 23 yards in a 45 to 15 loss vs Miami 1/1 for 12 yards vs the Rams 2/4 for 21 yards vs the Jets 0/1 and donuts vs 49ers 2/3 for 17 yards in a 38 to 10 loss vs Dallas. A lot of those games they were playing catchup which means that Washington is throwing the ball more. He may have the out of the box performance like he did against the Eagles last year, but as the number 2 option he was more often to go for 2 catches and 20 yards in most games down the stretch. Those are some pretty bad numbers for a WR 2 in a pass happy offense that is playing catch up more often than not. People want to blame Hurts and Sirianni for everything, a player can just suck. Right now Dotson is exactly who he was in Washington and we're seeing why they were happy to let him go. But sure, lets take the lazy approach and blame Hurts for Dotson being a JAG
October 3, 20241 yr If people want to criticise Hurts about his turnovers or taking untimely sacks, that's fair game right now. But to blame the guy for Dotson being a below average NFL WR is delusional.
October 3, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Mat said: If people want to criticise Hurts about his turnovers or taking untimely sacks, that's fair game right now. But to blame the guy for Dotson being a below average NFL WR is delusional. I think it's fair. He's always struggled at making it through his progressions and finding someone other than Smith/Brown/Goedert. I honestly think you're both a little right in this. Dotson is both probably not as good as his draft position and relatively decent stats would indicate, but also not as bad as his 200 yard pace this season would indicate. He's just a mediocre talent that hasn't yet developed chemistry with his QB on a team that doesn't target its #3 receiver.
October 3, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, Kz! said: I think it's fair. He's always struggled at making it through his progressions and finding someone other than Smith/Brown/Goedert. I honestly think you're both a little right in this. Dotson is both probably not as good as his draft position and relatively decent stats would indicate, but also not as bad as his 200 yard pace this season would indicate. He's just a mediocre talent that hasn't yet developed chemistry with his QB on a team that doesn't target its #3 receiver. We're currently looking at a 4 game sample size which generally won't be the case for the whole season, he will likely have a game that boosts the numbers up. But if we're using small sample sizes and look at his last 4 games last year, he averaged 12.5 receiving yards which put him on pace for 200 yards. This is who he is as a WR, he was the same player in Washington. Hopefully the longer he is with the team he can start making some plays, but this performance isn't out of the norm for him. It is magnified with how much he has been on the field, maybe Hurts had better chemistry with Paris Campbell from the off-season, but Dotson isn't doing enough to draw targets on his 86% of the snaps that he did play against the Bucs. There are enough articles around about how he wasn't great all off-season in Washington, how he struggled in press/man coverage in year 2 and how he couldn't get separation. It isn't easy for a WR to transition between teams with limited prep and getting to know the playbook, but there is enough out there to put Dotson's performance on Dotson. But people are looking to blame Hurts for everything right now and it's a little ridiculous. Hurts does deserve the blame for his own poor play, but the third WR sucking on the team isn't his fault.
October 3, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Mat said: If people want to criticise Hurts about his turnovers or taking untimely sacks, that's fair game right now. But to blame the guy for Dotson being a below average NFL WR is delusional. Not at all. On of Hurts biggest problems is his slow progression. We've talked about this but you get hung up on stats. Hurts rarely gets to his 3rd read. With Brown and Smith being so go, he can unload it when they get open......but there are plenty of times when they aren't open and he looks TOO LONG in their direction. Plus Hurts is not very good at anticipating a receiver coming open. So to combine those 2 issues, and the 3rd and the TE will not get the looks and chances. Goedart didn't get more opportunities until Brown and then Smith got hurt. Why? Why have the eagles be having so much trouble finding a 3rd WR for the last few years? You can dismiss Dotson all you want.......but until Hurts gets faster with his reads, the eagles are always going to have "trouble" finding a 3rd WR. Can't catch what isn't thrown to you.
October 4, 20241 yr On 10/2/2024 at 4:58 AM, Eagles1960 said: They didn't "let him go." That implies he was cut. They got a third and two sevens for Dotson and a 5th. They made a decision they wanted draft capital. The Eagles wasted draft capital on Dotson not because he stinks. Because Hurts won't throw the ball to anybody but the Big Three even when two of The Big three aren't playinjg. Yup. I have no clue why this team is wasting picks and and cap on offensive talent when Jalen Hurts is incapable of Utilizing it.
October 4, 20241 yr Either Dotson sucks or Hurts sucks. One or the other must hold true. His only receptions all year have been forced first read misdirection stuff around the LOS. You can't be a starting WR through 4 games (#3 in week 1 but top 2 ever since) with 25 yards unless either you or your QB suck. Or both.
October 4, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, eagle45 said: Either Dotson sucks or Hurts sucks. One or the other must hold true. His only receptions all year have been forced first read misdirection stuff around the LOS. You can't be a starting WR through 4 games (#3 in week 1 but top 2 ever since) with 25 yards unless either you or your QB suck. Or both. I was gonna say both can be true
October 4, 20241 yr Best play so far been the route he drew Goedert open during the saints game My only gripe is the wasted at this point 3rd round pick.. between that and Pickett that would have been some decent ammo to go after a pass rusher
October 7, 20241 yr On 10/4/2024 at 5:29 PM, Peacekeeper said: Best play so far been the route he drew Goedert open during the saints game My only gripe is the wasted at this point 3rd round pick.. between that and Pickett that would have been some decent ammo to go after a pass rusher It's easy to say it's a wasted pick currently, but the fact remains we needed to spend in order to get someone. If he had 3 td 300yds by now we'd be saying what a steal. Not all investments will be profitable. But if you never spend (Cowboys) you'll never at least have a chance. Like that Wayne Gretzky quote... You Miss 100% of the Shots You Don't Take.
October 8, 20241 yr Teams don’t trade players to division rivals…let alone a 1st round pick from just 2 years ago….unless they are supremely confident the guy sucks.
October 8, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, eagle45 said: Teams don’t trade players to division rivals…let alone a 1st round pick from just 2 years ago….unless they are supremely confident the guy sucks. It’s payback for Thrash -> 5th -> Trent Cole
October 8, 20241 yr I still think it is Hurts. Not trusting recievers. The pressure of throwing one interception per each game he plays, is heavy on his shoulders. Give Jetson..a better QB and he would be Dotson right on. LOL. Instead people are discussing why Dotson does not have his Jets On. It is Hurts.
October 10, 20241 yr On 10/7/2024 at 9:57 PM, paco said: It’s payback for Thrash -> 5th -> Trent Cole Or payback for "Numba Five".
October 15, 2024Oct 15 Adam goes to the jets for what likely amounts to a 3rd round pick and we got this guy oh well.
October 15, 2024Oct 15 46 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said: Adam goes to the jets for what likely amounts to a 3rd round pick and we got this guy oh well. Not really comparable though
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