Hurts's speech said a lot about the failure of organization to develop QBs. By assigning calling protections to Jason Kelce, Eagles organization took away a fundamental responsibility of QB to recognize protections and audible if necessary an alternative play. This policy stagnated Hurts's development. This policy also stagnated Wentz's development. In the past, The protection call was made by Kelce, while not being able to see the latest defense changes. Hence it worked...until last year... when the other teams exposed the fallacy of Center calling protection plays and the entire offensive scheme fell apart.

Thank God that things will be different this year....? Or is it? Can Hurts recognize a blitz and throw to a check down instead of his previous targets? Will Hurts be able to see the field, when previously this was not his responsibility? Will Hurts be able to execute Moore's offense ?

All these questions are because we do not have an experianced fifth year QB, but a talented QB who finally gets to run the offense with the training wheels off.

And most importantly what will the owner/ Howie do if Hurts is less then perfect... Will they pull off the same middle of the season change as last year, by taking away calling audibles from Hurts ???

I believe in Hurts and pray for his success...But there are a lot of things to worry about in this upcoming season..on many different levels.

 

I find it hard to believe that they can go to the super bowl one year and almost win it and no team was able to expose the center making calls that entire season. The coaching staff is responsible for a lot of what happened last year but the total implosion in the second half of last season was also a complete team effort. Howie is not blameless as well. Hurts is getting his wish and with a better OC and with some of the best overall talent of any team surrounding Hurts there can be no excuse this season. I have way more concerns about the defense and the way they fell apart. I think they probably should have let Siri go after last season but fine with him on the sidelines waving the pom poms for one more season and see how things go. Frankly if they can right the ship they will have a great shot to get back to the SB. 

Has Hurts ever addressed why he thinks they either had no answer for a blitz week after week? Was that on the coaching staff, Kelce calling protections, Hurts himself or that the players were just outmatched game after game and packed it in?

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

Hurts's speech said a lot about the failure of organization to develop QBs. By assigning calling protections to Jason Kelce, Eagles organization took away a fundamental responsibility of QB to recognize protections and audible if necessary an alternative play. This policy stagnated Hurts's development. 

 

Sounds like he is hurt.

6 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Hurts's speech said a lot about the failure of organization to develop QBs. By assigning calling protections to Jason Kelce, Eagles organization took away a fundamental responsibility of QB to recognize protections and audible if necessary an alternative play. This policy stagnated Hurts's development. This policy also stagnated Wentz's development. In the past, The protection call was made by Kelce, while not being able to see the latest defense changes. Hence it worked...until last year... when the other teams exposed the fallacy of Center calling protection plays and the entire offensive scheme fell apart.

Thank God that things will be different this year....? Or is it? Can Hurts recognize a blitz and throw to a check down instead of his previous targets? Will Hurts be able to see the field, when previously this was not his responsibility? Will Hurts be able to execute Moore's offense ?

All these questions are because we do not have an experianced fifth year QB, but a talented QB who finally gets to run the offense with the training wheels off.

And most importantly what will the owner/ Howie do if Hurts is less then perfect... Will they pull off the same middle of the season change as last year, by taking away calling audibles from Hurts ???

I believe in Hurts and pray for his success...But there are a lot of things to worry about in this upcoming season..on many different levels.

 

You do realize that calling out protections is the job of the center, right? 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You do realize that calling out protections is the job of the center, right? 

And Cam is still going to do that. I forget if it was Siri or Moore in a PC that addressed that, and how Cam and Hurts are working together to read the defense - just like Kelce and Hurts did.

8 hours ago, GreenMachine said:

I find it hard to believe that they can go to the super bowl one year and almost win it and no team was able to expose the center making calls that entire season. The coaching staff is responsible for a lot of what happened last year but the total implosion in the second half of last season was also a complete team effort. Howie is not blameless as well. Hurts is getting his wish and with a better OC and with some of the best overall talent of any team surrounding Hurts there can be no excuse this season. I have way more concerns about the defense and the way they fell apart. I think they probably should have let Siri go after last season but fine with him on the sidelines waving the pom poms for one more season and see how things go. Frankly if they can right the ship they will have a great shot to get back to the SB. 

Has Hurts ever addressed why he thinks they either had no answer for a blitz week after week? Was that on the coaching staff, Kelce calling protections, Hurts himself or that the players were just outmatched game after game and packed it in?

It is not just one thing. In 2022 they had RPO, and no audibles. They had experienced team and coaches who had over a year to gel. Team  was loaded with depth. 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You do realize that calling out protections is the job of the center, right? 

How many other teams employ the strategy of center calling protections? 1 team? 2 teams? Does Aaron Rodgers listens to protection scheme from the center? Did Brady? Heck No! Great QBs can adjust to what is happening on the field a lot faster than the center banned over with his hand in the ground. It was on the Eagles...it was the job of the center to call protection. From what i understand in his speech ...Hurts wants the chance to call audibles. Meaning that he can change Moore's play.

It is a good thing that Hurts can audible, and I pray that this power is not taking away from him when he inevitably struggles. 

Green Bay game is going to be all about handling the blitz. Don't think we will win it, but Looking forward to the game.

30 minutes ago, NOTW said:

And Cam is still going to do that. I forget if it was Siri or Moore in a PC that addressed that, and how Cam and Hurts are working together to read the defense - just like Kelce and Hurts did.

To my point. Stoutland and Kelce did not trust Hurts to call protections when he first came into the league. But now we are 5 years later. Kelce is no longer here. Hurts ...has grown up. What would be the the reason to involve a lineman into a task that most good QBs do themselves??? Hurts inability to see the field? Inability to call protections??? Then why did we pay Hurts all these money? Why would we want to stifle Hurts's development? I have questions.

26 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

To my point. Stoutland and Kelce did not trust Hurts to call protections when he first came into the league. But now we are 5 years later. Kelce is no longer here. Hurts ...has grown up. What would be the the reason to involve a lineman into a task that most good QBs do themselves??? Hurts inability to see the field? Inability to call protections??? Then why did we pay Hurts all these money? Why would we want to stifle Hurts's development? I have questions.

What the hell are you talking about? Lots of NFL centers call line protections. Kelce was doing it since his 2nd year here under Reid. Your posts are just an attempt to criticize Hurts.

In fact, here's an article from 2012, noting that normally centers make the line calls, but since Kelce was a rookie they had Vick make the calls until he was ready.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/6/14/3084354/jason-kelce-ready-for-the-responsibility-of-line-calls

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So in his second year, they're upping his responsibility. As we discussed during the previous OTAs, Kelce will take over the line calls duties from Michael Vick.

It's a job usually reserved for centers, but given the lack of an offseason and a rookie starter at the position last year, it made sense to give Vick the responsibility. But with a real offseason, Kelce says he's comfortable making the calls.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

How many other teams employ the strategy of center calling protections?

31

Both Hurts and Wentz have called an audible before after seeing something from the defense

The C & QB communicate together what they're seeing.

Moore (or was it Siri?) earlier said that will continue, that Cam is doing a good job with calling line protections & communicating with Hurts.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

The C & QB communicate together what they're seeing.

Moore (or was it Siri?) earlier said that will continue, that Cam is doing a good job with calling line protections & communicating with Hurts.

Exactly doesn't the center call out what he is seeing from the D line and linebackers and the QB calls out what he sees in the back 7? 

Everyone is blowing this way out of proportion.  Jalen was clearly saying he deferred to Jason because of his experience and now he will take on that responsibility more.   People need to stop trying to make drama out of a clear statement.   The Media loves to try and twist Jalen's words, he wasn't saying anything bad about Jason. He was speaking of Jason's clear experience and seniority.  Obviously Cam is much younger and not as experience as Jason was so Jalen will take on a bigger role in calling protections now.

6 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

Everyone is blowing this way out of proportion.  Jalen was clearly saying he deferred to Jason because of his experience and now he will take on that responsibility more.   People need to stop trying to make drama out of a clear statement.   The Media loves to try and twist Jalen's words, he wasn't saying anything bad about Jason. He was speaking of Jason's clear experience and seniority.  Obviously Cam is much younger and not as experience as Jason was so Jalen will take on a bigger role in calling protections now.

Yeah, I don't think it's that big of a deal either...

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

31

What? How did you get 31? Yes sometimes centers with experience call protections..but most good QBs take that responsibility for themselves. Aaron Rodgers.

I am glad Jason graduated. Wish him all the success. But it sure feels like first steps at this point. Wish he would have been given this responsibility earlier.

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

What? How did you get 31? Yes sometimes centers with experience call protections..but most good QBs take that responsibility for themselves. Aaron Rodgers.

I am glad Jason graduated. Wish him all the success. But it sure feels like first steps at this point. Wish he would have been given this responsibility earlier.

You seem to be confusing calling protections with calling audibles. 

Listen to the center when Rodgers audibles:

 

Watch the center here:

 

How about some Tom Brady:

 

Perhaps you can explain to us what exactly Hurts' additional responsibilities are specifically now that Kelce is gone.

10 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

What? How did you get 31? Yes sometimes centers with experience call protections..but most good QBs take that responsibility for themselves. Aaron Rodgers.

I am glad Jason graduated. Wish him all the success. But it sure feels like first steps at this point. Wish he would have been given this responsibility earlier.

Are you confusing line protections that all centers do, with calling audibles to change the play?

 

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

Are you confusing line protections that all centers do, with calling audibles to change the play?

 

Perhaps I am. I got riled over Jason's speech and listened to the media way too much. They made it out as if the Eagles organization is purposely trying to sabotage QB development. 

14 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You seem to be confusing calling protections with calling audibles. 

Listen to the center when Rodgers audibles:

 

Watch the center here:

 

How about some Tom Brady:

 

Perhaps you can explain to us what exactly Hurts' additional responsibilities are specifically now that Kelce is gone.

I am trying to understand ... how the protection called before the play changes during an audible by QB. Like I said,... Jason's words and the way media twisted it..got me riled that Eagles organization does not trust QB to be in command . I am over it now. Thank You for the explanation. 

Perhaps you could explain about the change in protection during an audible.

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

I am trying to understand ... how the protection called before the play changes during an audible by QB. Like I said,... Jason's words and the way media twisted it..got me riled that Eagles organization does not trust QB to be in command . I am over it now. Thank You for the explanation. 

Perhaps you could explain about the change in protection during an audible.

If say, for example, the QB audible is changing a run to the other side and there is a defender lined up there that wouldn't have been a factor or would have been accounted for on the original blocking assignment (maybe for a run blitz) the center would communicate to the line the change in assignment (priority). 

 

The QB is reading the defense, concept and coverage. He can continue with the play that is called or choose to audible if the defense lines up in a way where they can favorably match up against the offense. The center is communicating to the line the blocking assignment based on how the front of the defense is lined up. 

 

There are two separate things happening that involve communication. 

Have you ever wondered why center prospects entering the draft have scouting reports on their ability to call protections?

example:

Creed Humphrey:

 

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Overview

Savvy, game-wise center with below-average length, good core strength and a full slate of intangibles desired at that position. Humphrey is praised inside the building for his outstanding leadership and having the recognition to make all the calls up front. He's more of ...

 

Tyler Biadasz:

 

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Strengths

.... Identifies and communicates protection duties pre-snap.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Have you ever wondered why center prospects entering the draft have scouting reports on their ability to call protections?

example:

Creed Humphrey:

 

Tyler Biadasz:

 

 

 

fwiw Cam Jurgens

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• Three-year starter who has made the calls up front.

 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

If say, for example, the QB audible is changing a run to the other side and there is a defender lined up there that wouldn't have been a factor or would have been accounted for on the original blocking assignment (maybe for a run blitz) the center would communicate to the line the change in assignment (priority). 

 

The QB is reading the defense, concept and coverage. He can continue with the play that is called or choose to audible if the defense lines up in a way where they can favorably match up against the offense. The center is communicating to the line the blocking assignment based on how the front of the defense is lined up. 

 

There are two separate things happening that involve communication. 

Have you ever wondered why center prospects entering the draft have scouting reports on their ability to call protections?

example:

Creed Humphrey:

 

Tyler Biadasz:

 

 

 

Communication between players, because they are keeping it a secret, is difficult to observe to say the least. I like most can only see the result of the play. If the play works or if it didn't. When it works..then who cares what was communicated, but when it does not work like last season. It is important for me to understand Why the communication fails. Was it the offensive coordinator? Was it the center? Was it QB not seeing the field? 

Blame game is for the media, but Jason really did throw some people like Kelce under the bus with his rhetoric...and that is why media is all buzzing.

I hope this whole speech will be forgotten and in the past following the GB game. 

Thanks for the explanation .