Fangio likes to be old school, tough talking, throw his players under the bus in the media and reports are at other teams the players didn't like him. All that is fine if the defense performs.

Maybe it's time Vic looks in the mirror to address his tough talk grumpy act. Improve your defense.

There was 1:40 left, way too early to go into a prevent D. Its bad coaching.

Fangio sucks

52 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

There was 1:40 left, way too early to go into a prevent D. Its bad coaching.

I thought we were playing prevent D all game… did something change at the end? 

It's only been two games, but between both of them and reports out of training camp, Huff has just been an absolute trainwreck. He's not even getting close to the QB, and as bad as he's been as a pass rusher, he's even worse against the run. Can't keep contain to save his life. He's really just looked completely overmatched both games. Hope it was just a combination of poor field conditions in game one and a tough matchup in game two because if not, he's a huge waste of resources.

Fangio sucks, but so do the players- like let's take Jordan Davis. He is a bust, plain and simple, which showed last year-BEFORE Fangio came. The D line sucks badly- Fangio can't force them to be good if they simply suck no matter who coaches. The entire D sucks, and you can't fix that, other than draft better. Which brings me to Howie. Howie used 1st round picks...on what? The D line sucks arse. Carter barely showing anything. Davis is a bona fide bust. 

So now what? We need a TRUE run stuffer- we gonna go rent one? because the season is looking grim now with this D that isn't a D. Howie blowing #1 picks, Siri is an arsehole, Fangio sucks. This looks really bad. How disappointing to most of us fans. We deserve better, and this isn't better.

The defense was 3-0 in the red zone against Atlanta. The defense should never have been put in the position in the first place. 

The Eagles had the ball and the lead. On 3rd down they should have run the ball and take time of the clock also trying to move closer to getting the first down. The HC says well they were clogging up the middle. Big deal. Run right at it. Take time off the clock. And if you don't get the 1st down, you run it on 4th down too. If you get the first down game over. Also, he should have kicked the FG and put points on the board in the first Quarter. 

Barkley and Hurts were not responsible. Nor was the Defense. The HC was to blame for this with his terrible clock management and poor play calls.

2 hours ago, Mat said:

The D was never going to be amazing this year, they just needed them to be serviceable. It takes at least a couple seasons to get all the pieces together to convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4. They don't have the edge rushers they need for the scheme and it has been really noticeable. Huff was supposed to be one of those pieces and has been invisible. Sweat is a 4-3 DE and is now trying to play the edge. Smith should be seeing more snaps. Booker has actually looked pretty good and should get some more snaps in the rotation at DE. 

Choosing Huff and Sweat over Reddick isn’t looking like a great choice right now. 

30 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

The defense was 3-0 in the red zone against Atlanta. The defense should never have been put in the position in the first place. 

The Eagles had the ball and the lead. On 3rd down they should have run the ball and take time of the clock also trying to move closer to getting the first down. The HC says well they were clogging up the middle. Big deal. Run right at it. Take time off the clock. And if you don't get the 1st down, you run it on 4th down too. If you get the first down game over. Also, he should have kicked the FG and put points on the board in the first Quarter. 

Barkley and Hurts were not responsible. Nor was the Defense. The HC was to blame for this with his terrible clock management and poor play calls.

Agreed, this loss is 100% on coaching. This retread is an abject failure and Lurie and Howie are at fault as well for their continued enablement of this clown of a HC. 

1 hour ago, jsdarkstar said:

The defense was 3-0 in the red zone against Atlanta. The defense should never have been put in the position in the first place. 

The Eagles had the ball and the lead. On 3rd down they should have run the ball and take time of the clock also trying to move closer to getting the first down. The HC says well they were clogging up the middle. Big deal. Run right at it. Take time off the clock. And if you don't get the 1st down, you run it on 4th down too. If you get the first down game over. Also, he should have kicked the FG and put points on the board in the first Quarter. 

Barkley and Hurts were not responsible. Nor was the Defense. The HC was to blame for this with his terrible clock management and poor play calls.

I don’t know, the play was there - all Barkley had to do was catch it. So let’s say we run it, get stuffed and take another 40 seconds off the clock. Atlanta would get the ball back with 50- 60 seconds left. They still would have enough time to score. I mean, we gave up that TD in about a minute. 

11 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

I don’t know, the play was there - all Barkley had to do was catch it. So let’s say we run it, get stuffed and take another 40 seconds off the clock. Atlanta would get the ball back with 50- 60 seconds left. They still would have enough time to score. I mean, we gave up that TD in about a minute. 

I agree the play was there, but so was the risk. Why not run it there especially if the plan was to kick the field goal if you didn’t get it regardless. They stopped the clock for them. They could have ran more time off the clock if they didn’t get the first. Seemed like Sirianni got cocky and they lost because of it. Relying on a defense that was ran over all game and hardly touched the quarterback was not smart. Should’ve ran the ball.

A lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda here.  So easy to 2nd guess the next day.  If Barkley catches that ball, everybody here talks about how great it is being aggressive and winning the game.  

The eagles STILL had 2 chances to win that game.....stopping the falcons ridiculous drive and the eagles getting the ball back at :34 seconds, with 2 timeouts and needing a FG and Hurts throwing that simply ridiculous INT. 

The game was lost on mistakes......the same kind of mistakes they made against the packers and the same kind of mistakes that made them go 1-5 at the end of the year last year.

That's on the head coach.   A play here and there that's a mistake is on the player.  When it happens time and time again, game after game, it's squarely on the head coach.

 

 

 

39 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

A lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda here.  So easy to 2nd guess the next day.  If Barkley catches that ball, everybody here talks about how great it is being aggressive and winning the game.  

The eagles STILL had 2 chances to win that game.....stopping the falcons ridiculous drive and the eagles getting the ball back at :34 seconds, with 2 timeouts and needing a FG and Hurts throwing that simply ridiculous INT. 

The game was lost on mistakes......the same kind of mistakes they made against the packers and the same kind of mistakes that made them go 1-5 at the end of the year last year.

That's on the head coach.   A play here and there that's a mistake is on the player.  When it happens time and time again, game after game, it's squarely on the head coach.

 

 

 

Agree completely. A lot of mistakes and poor coaching and QB decisions.

8 hours ago, Mat said:

The D was never going to be amazing this year, they just needed them to be serviceable. It takes at least a couple seasons to get all the pieces together to convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4. They don't have the edge rushers they need for the scheme and it has been really noticeable. Huff was supposed to be one of those pieces and has been invisible. Sweat is a 4-3 DE and is now trying to play the edge. Smith should be seeing more snaps. Booker has actually looked pretty good and should get some more snaps in the rotation at DE. 

Defense, at present, is not serviceable.  And if it takes them a couple years…a couple years from now, this offense will be in rebuild mode.

On 9/8/2024 at 11:28 AM, ThinkGreen said:

As long as the offense is explosive, and the D makes some key stops, they're fine. They won't get away with it in the playoffs. 

"Playoffs!!!???.....don't talk about playoffs, you kidding me, playoffs??, I just hope we can win a game"......Jim Mora and EagleVA

8 hours ago, Godfather said:

Fangio sucks

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that softarse bend but don't break mindset, basically you depend on the offense shooting themselves in the foot, any decent QB will pick those defenses apart all game long.

Fangio's defense makes for soft, non-aggressive, tackle missing players when you want a defense manned by aggressive hard hitters that rarely misses tackles.

But no, the FO wanted Fangio and nobody but Fangio, I tell you, those guys are football ignorant.

 

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I agree the play was there, but so was the risk. Why not run it there especially if the plan was to kick the field goal if you didn’t get it regardless. They stopped the clock for them. They could have ran more time off the clock if they didn’t get the first. Seemed like Sirianni got cocky and they lost because of it. Relying on a defense that was ran over all game and hardly touched the quarterback was not smart. Should’ve ran the ball.

I think where Siri got cocky was when he went for on 4th down and 4 instead of taking the FG. That’s the difference in the game. 

Then again, I’m not sure if it’s Siri or Howie’s analytic guy making these decisions. 

The verdict is still out on Jalen Carter, but NO MORE BULLDOGS 

3 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

I think where Siri got cocky was when he went for on 4th down and 4 instead of taking the FG. That’s the difference in the game. 

Then again, I’m not sure if it’s Siri or Howie’s analytic guy making these decisions. 

I feel like Siri is the one making in game decisions with the assistance of the analytics guys. He doesn’t call the plays though. It’s all a muddled confounding mess it seems at times though. Why everyone is so convinced this will work is beyond me.

38 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that softarse bend but don't break mindset, basically you depend on the offense shooting themselves in the foot, any decent QB will pick those defenses apart all game long.

Fangio's defense makes for soft, non-aggressive, tackle missing players when you want a defense manned by aggressive hard hitters that rarely misses tackles.

But no, the FO wanted Fangio and nobody but Fangio, I tell you, those guys are football ignorant.

 

How you let Cousins, who’s playing with one Achilles, sit back there and pick you apart? I watched Pittsburgh dominant them week 1. Cousins was crapping in his pants. 

 

10 hours ago, opa-opa said:

There was 1:40 left, way too early to go into a prevent D. Its bad coaching.

Honestly couldn’t tell if it was prevent or just their bend but don’t break philosophy. Let’s be clear though. This is Howie’s thought process through and through. They have been bend but don’t break since Reid left. From Davis to Schwartz to Gannon to Fangio and all of the names in between this team has been bend don’t break on defense. All of these guys have the same thing in common. Most Eagles fans don’t like their defenses. It’s all based out of analytics. The names may change but it’s all still the same bend but don’t break crap. 

I know a lot of people are going to give the DTs namely JD and Carter a tough time but honestly I think Vic is using them wrong.

Beau Allen did a great break down of the falcons run game, 59 of their 60 plays were 11 personnel and most their runs were outside zone to the open side.

Vic stayed in nickel majority of the time rotating his D line man in and out and they all got gashed 

Jordan Davis was lining up 4i most those snaps on the open side and the RB would start towards the C gap then bend it back to the backside A gap, once jordan gets going one way its tough for all that mass to stop and change direction.

Baun was getting cut all game by lidstrom on the backside, dean got caught up in the wash which led to gash runs 

Vic never really adjusted and the falcons just kept running outside zone to open end and play action off it, vic finally ran a few bear fronts ( 5 man lines,) something gannon had a lot of success with but vic only ran it a couple times in the red zone.

Staying in nickel all game with 2 high daring teams to run til they get to the ten doesnt work if you give up 15 yards a run.

I just think its a crap scheme.

Saints are a really good run team, theyre going to see the falcons tape and just line up in 11 and run outside zone to the open side and play action off it until eagles show they can stop it which they cant.

Rather see more bear fronts more pressures, rather take a chance at making something happen instead of just sitting back and hoping the opposing O makes a mistake.

Im no defensive Genius if I were I wouldnt be on here arm chairin, all I know is whatever Vic is doing now isnt working.

 

 

 

 

32 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Honestly couldn’t tell if it was prevent or just their bend but don’t break philosophy. Let’s be clear though. This is Howie’s thought process through and through. They have been bend but don’t break since Reid left. From Davis to Schwartz to Gannon to Fangio and all of the names in between this team has been bend don’t break on defense. All of these guys have the same thing in common. Most Eagles fans don’t like their defenses. It’s all based out of analytics. The names may change but it’s all still the same bend but don’t break crap. 

Yeah, I prefer the old school guys like Buddy Ryan, Bud Carson & Jim Johnson. Heck, Spags has had an incredible career as a DC and he was a Johnson disciple. I can bear to watch this soft zone, bend but don’t break scheme. That’s not how we play D in Philly. 

Fangio is a complete and total fraud. IF the Eagles had ran the ball on 3rd and 3 and there was 1 minute left maybe that prevent D would have been fine. However, with 1:40 left anyone with half a brain knew that going prevent and rushing 4 the entire drive was a bad idea. All they needed was ONE FN sack to completely throw that drive off and get them desperate but after watching the front four do absolutely nothing all game Fangio thought it was a good idea to just let Cousins stand in the pocket with all day to find holes in a soft zone.

I'm watching DEs that are lined out too wide and too far away from the QB who don't rush aggressively as they have told to protect the edge.

I see Smith just standing in the flat after the snap not engaging the OT.  Not that he could win that battle as he's a midget.  

This scheme has robbed the DEs of any aggressive thoughts of getting to the QB.  I don't see sacks coming from this group