Super convenient. Also, keep a look out for timely violations on dynamic kickoffs later in the season when they won´t be so noticeable

2 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

You can’t justify it no other coach would do it, it lost the game and Siri will be fired when we fail to win a playoff game.

Not sure if this team will make the playoffs. This team has the Saints, Bucs, and Bengals looming sprinkled in with the Giants and Browns over the next five. Other than the Giants I’m not so convinced they win any of those games.

15 hours ago, Bob Manigan said:

I have no issue with the call, it should have worked.  I have more issues with the penalties, and the D at the end of the game

I had the same issues with the penalties, and the lack of holding calls against ATL's OL.  Refs rightfully flagged us for illegal man downfield which negated big plays, but they didn't negate a number of big plays for ATL on clear/obvious holds on big plays.  Stuff like that happening is why I really don't even take these games that serious.  

They should have run the ball. So the clock keeps ticking even if they're stop short of the first down. But it didn't matter anyway. The Faclons went right down the field and scored.

4 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

You can’t justify it no other coach would do it, it lost the game and Siri will be fired when we fail to win a playoff game.

Other coaches do those kinds of aggressive plays nowadays. More coaches lean on analytics. And to be honest there have been plenty of instances in the past where a team gets conservative only for Tom Brady, Rodgers, or some opposing team to march right down the field and get a game-winning/tying FG or TD with minimal time on the clock.

Teams and coaches are killed for decisions that don't work and praised for decisions that do work. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

19 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Can we stop snorting the cocaine please? The entire board made fun of Sirianni for being a cheerleader all offseason. Why is he NOT considered a cheerleader in this regard right now? Why is he the one who 'made these mistakes' now, but he was apparently a cheerleader before when it was convenient and people thought he'd have success?

The ENTIRE offseason people were calling him a cheerleader and saying "we just hope he stays out of the decision making process". But now that he wasn't making said decisions, it's still his fault?

Can we be even slightly rational for even a nanosecond? I swear man. Even Chip got more love here in Philly, and he not only never won a playoff game, but he missed the playoffs twice.

A run/pass decision with that amount of time left is very much within the purview of the head coach, who should be in constant communication with the offensive coordinator throughout the game.  Maybe the exact play call isn't his choice, but much like it's his decision to go for it on 4th down, it's his decision to run or throw when the outcome has such massive implications on the other two units.

I've said from the outset that I would give Sirianni little credit for any success this season.  That might seem unfair, but it's a corner he walked himself into when he elected to demote/fire the DC last season when they were 10-3 yet was unwilling to step in for the obviously overmatched OC.  He's proven to be a very weak leader, which might be somewhat absolvable if not for the fact that he also appears fairly useless schematically.  It's not just Eagles fans saying these things; it's national analysts and people plugged in throughout the league.

And I'm not saying that to let Howie off the hook, either.  His feet should have been held to the fire when he refused to move on from Sirianni last off-season following their historic collapse.  It's become quite clear that Sirianni was hired to be a puppet for the front office, which is why he wasn't really on anyone else's radar when they found him and has never been given any real power.  Fire him tomorrow and I'm very skeptical that other teams will be knocking down the door waiting to hire him.  Maybe he gets an OC job, but even that's not a given considering his ego.

20 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

I have no problem with them being aggressive there and trying to end the game....it's unfortunate that Barkley dropped the ball.  

 

18 hours ago, Devaster said:

I was neutral to the play-call to throw it there. It was a perfect play-call and throw (Hurts made a much better throw on that one than the previous TD). Barkley dropped it which sucks. 

 

18 hours ago, Bob Manigan said:

I have no issue with the call, it should have worked.  I have more issues with the penalties, and the D at the end of the game

 

17 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

It was a high-percentage throw that Hurts dropped into his hands. It clearly caught the Falcons off guard. I have no problem with the call, but like everything else, it's the execution.

It's obvious that most of you didn't actually read the post; otherwise you would have seen that I addressed this exact argument.

 

 

15 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You seem to assume there's no risk with a run play. We saw the tush push become our most reliable play last season and we've already put the ball on the ground once this season using it. That was the 2nd bad center/QB exchange of the game. Every play has a risk factor. Even the FG isn't a guarantee. Can you provide actual data for the completion percentage of passes that short where the receiver has that much separation? I'd bet the ranch it's higher than 50% and wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it's closer to the "9 times out of ten" claim. 

At least you read the post, but you're still missing important context as it relates to "risk" in this situation.  A turnover is obviously possible on either a run or a pass, but an incompletion is only possible on a pass play.  Sure there are other ways you could stop the clock on a run play (penalty, running out of bounds, etc.) but they're far less likely.

As for your second point, I never said the completion percentage was 50% on passes where the receiver had that much separation.  I'm actually agreeing with you that it is probably closer to 90%.  My point is that when you make the decision to throw in that situation, you cannot guarantee that you're going to get a high percentage throw.  That's why the overall conversion rate in those situations is closer to 50%.  (If you want to make the case that it's higher in that exact situation because Atlanta is selling out on the run, I'm fine with that - but it is still nowhere near 90%)

I don't disagree that a run play is the wiser choice, but I don't think the play call they went with was a bad one.  I would've just run it, but let's say they did run and Barkley fumbled, then fans would complain that they should've just taken a knee on 3rd down to kill the clock, and then kick a FG after letting the clock drain more on 4th down.  

5 hours ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

 

 

 

It's obvious that most of you didn't actually read the post; otherwise you would have seen that I addressed this exact argument.

 

 

At least you read the post, but you're still missing important context as it relates to "risk" in this situation.  A turnover is obviously possible on either a run or a pass, but an incompletion is only possible on a pass play.  Sure there are other ways you could stop the clock on a run play (penalty, running out of bounds, etc.) but they're far less likely.

As for your second point, I never said the completion percentage was 50% on passes where the receiver had that much separation.  I'm actually agreeing with you that it is probably closer to 90%.  My point is that when you make the decision to throw in that situation, you cannot guarantee that you're going to get a high percentage throw.  That's why the overall conversion rate in those situations is closer to 50%.  (If you want to make the case that it's higher in that exact situation because Atlanta is selling out on the run, I'm fine with that - but it is still nowhere near 90%)

I think it was in essence an RPO where if Barkley had been covered, Hurts was going to put his shoulder down and keep it on the ground. But the defense was playing the run and, I'm sure, looking to strip the ball as well if the runner was held up. That's why it was a good call. We called the play the defense didn't expect. The throw was short, safe, easy and on target. It was game over if Barkley caught it. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

I think it was in essence an RPO where if Barkley had been covered, Hurts was going to put his shoulder down and keep it on the ground. 

I suspected this as well.  It sure looked that way, and would have made some sense given the circumstance.  If that's the case, it would temper my frustration some, though I still think it's unnecessarily risky in that moment.

12 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

I suspected this as well.  It sure looked that way, and would have made some sense given the circumstance.  If that's the case, it would temper my frustration some, though I still think it's unnecessarily risky in that moment.

I really don't mind aggressiveness. If you can seal the win with one play and you call a play that the defense isn't ready for, all you can do is trust the players to execute it on the field. There has to be some trust.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I really don't mind aggressiveness. If you can seal the win with one play and you call a play that the defense isn't ready for, all you can do is trust the players to execute it on the field. There has to be some trust.

Agreed! It would have been a RPO as they were heavily committed to the run over the middle. If Hurts has Barkley open he throws, if not he tucks and runs and probably burns up a few more seconds than just feeding Barkley up the middle. It was a good call we just didn’t execute.

Pretty sure they´ve come out and said that it was an option play, which was the right call to make. Barkley catches that as he should have, we´re all sitting here talking about a relatively comfortable win in which the Eagles never really looked in any danger. Really is a game of inches.

2 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

Pretty sure they´ve come out and said that it was an option play, which was the right call to make. Barkley catches that as he should have, we´re all sitting here talking about a relatively comfortable win in which the Eagles never really looked in any danger. Really is a game of inches.

That’s what she said… sorry couldn’t help myself!

You are right if that play works (as it should have) then we are 2-0 and everyone is feeling good about picking up at least 1 more W before the bye. But that isn’t where we are and there’s a very good chance that by the bye we are 1-3.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Not even looking at the ball tisk tisk Saquan 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That’s what she said… sorry couldn’t help myself!

You are right if that play works (as it should have) then we are 2-0 and everyone is feeling good about picking up at least 1 more W before the bye. But that isn’t where we are and there’s a very good chance that by the bye we are 1-3.

Over the next five games the Eagles have a tough schedule. If they’re playing with this type of execution they could find they 3-4 or worse. 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Over the next five games the Eagles have a tough schedule. If they’re playing with this type of execution they could find they 3-4 or worse. 

Honestly by the time we play Dallas we could be 3-5 maybe worse! We all feared the wheels could come off if things didn’t start well… now we face that situation.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Honestly by the time we play Dallas we could be 3-5 maybe worse! We all feared the wheels could come off if things didn’t start well… now we face that situation.

Yeah I have to be honest that I didn’t have a lot of confidence coming into this season. I feel like everything that was done was just a bandaid fix and the Eagles FO in an attempt to keep their power gave us another season of Sirianni ball. Now he’s going to be the scapegoat, and the team will likely end up with two transition seasons instead of one.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah I have to be honest that I didn’t have a lot of confidence coming into this season. I feel like everything that was done was just a bandaid fix and the Eagles FO in an attempt to keep their power gave us another season of Sirianni ball. Now he’s going to be the scapegoat, and the team will likely end up with two transition seasons instead of one.

Hmm I don’t think I was quite where you were there bud. I thought this year had a lot of potential but I also saw the potential for a real busted year. I liked what they did in the offseason with a lot of moves but they weren’t able to plug all gaps and left some really big questions (mostly the DL).

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hmm I don’t think I was quite where you were there bud. I thought this year had a lot of potential but I also saw the potential for a real busted year. I liked what they did in the offseason with a lot of moves but they weren’t able to plug all gaps and left some really big questions (mostly the DL).

Most people weren’t with me in 2020 either. I didn’t like all the change to the coaching staff or the fact they didn’t let Doug pick his guys. Everyone else was talking about how that coaching by committee crap worked in other places. It was a disaster. Same here people are just expecting all of these moving parts to just jell. Never got a chance to see this offense play until week one, but everyone just assumed it would work. Funny the hype that happened over camp how Jalen didn’t throw any interceptions. I think it may have something to do with the fact he was going up against this defense.

On 9/18/2024 at 9:45 AM, EazyEaglez said:

Not sure if this team will make the playoffs. This team has the Saints, Bucs, and Bengals looming sprinkled in with the Giants and Browns over the next five. Other than the Giants I’m not so convinced they win any of those games.

The bengals, browns and giants are dumpster fires. Theyre probably fine after the bye. 10-7 is the realistic outcome now

People have very short memories.  This is why you don't throw in that situation when you have the largest OL in the league and a battering ram at RB

This is another reason why you don't throw that pass:

 

5 hours ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

The bengals, browns and giants are dumpster fires. Theyre probably fine after the bye. 10-7 is the realistic outcome now

I’ve seen this defense make mediocre quarterbacks look like elite guys. Burrow would have a field day with this defense. 

11 hours ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

The bengals, browns and giants are dumpster fires. Theyre probably fine after the bye. 10-7 is the realistic outcome now

I still think it’s too early in the year to say a team is a dumpster fire or that a team like NO is a legit contender. First month of the season is so up and down. Browns aren’t a dumpster fire though they bounced back and have a really good defense.