1 hour ago, Road to Victory said:

Why is Howie obsessed with this Fangio-style defense? What has Fangio ever won? 

AR, who they still worship, always wanted a DC who applied pressure to the offense. Why the sudden change? 

I don't get this fascination with this pusssy styling of playing.  Why do lurie and howie care what scheme we install, as long as it generates results. Is this what Luries son says he wants with his team of pencil necked analytics nerds?

4 hours ago, JohnB said:

This where I take issue. I'm not sure if it's just our perception or not, but Howie/Lurie should have ZERO say in coaching philosophy. What do they need coaches for if they're the ones calling the shots on the field? Howie needs to stick to what he's good at, which is managing the off the field operations. 

The coordinators for Sirianni are not his hires. Howie and Lurie make these calls. They let Reid amass so much power and Chip Kelly almost tore them apart. It’s like they have vowed to never let it happen again. 

6 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Why is Howie obsessed with this Fangio-style defense? What has Fangio ever won? 

AR, who they still worship, always wanted a DC who applied pressure to the offense. Why the sudden change? 

This is what I don't get either...I jut guess that analShitics told them, that it gives them the best chance to win or whatsoever so they decided to stick with it...Doesn't matter that it goes entirely against Philly mentality...Also regarding tackling...that needs some mi9ndset as well, you need to want to bring the guy down, you need toughnes etc...how do you expect of the guys to have this toughnes build in to them if they this soft s***t all the time?

15 hours ago, Swimm said:

 

The answer is Hurts sucks.  Kellen Moore realizes how limited he is  and cant overload him with complexity 

It's really obvious when you go look at video from '22. Look at Hurts delivering the ball and compare it to now. He literally never throws on time. Here's the thing man, if I'm looking at QB and I see a QB who for some unknown reason never just gets rid of the ball on time with their drop with accuracy, that tells me that the problem is QB with almost 100% certainty. Because it means that you're doing everything on hard mode.

We've had multiple QBs with this exact problem and yet for some reason people haven't figured out that this is the problem.

On 9/29/2024 at 6:13 PM, xxeaglesfanxx said:

Fangio has been awful. I see zero difference between him and the last two DC.

It's the scheme.  Howie and Lurie seem hell bent on running a Fangio scheme the past few years.  I don't know why ... it sucks.  

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

It's the scheme.  Howie and Lurie seem hell bent on running a Fangio scheme the past few years.  I don't know why ... it sucks.  

Think it’s been more than two years now? Goes back to Gannon which was what 3/4 years ago when they brought him in.

17 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Or we can just pay Reddick the 25 million he wants. He is just sitting there waiting....

Not an option unfortunately. 

21 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Not an option unfortunately. 

I guess if he got cut we could resign him? But yeah we are unable to trade for him.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Think it’s been more than two years now? Goes back to Gannon which was what 3/4 years ago when they brought him in.

Yes I was including Gannon when I stated that (I did not say anything about 2 years ... not sure where that came from).

14 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The coordinators for Sirianni are not his hires. Howie and Lurie make these calls. They let Reid amass so much power and Chip Kelly almost tore them apart. It’s like they have vowed to never let it happen again. 

This point you've made is why I don't understand people calling for Sirianni's head. If you just want another figurehead coach in there that has no power, just to have optimism again, then are you really addressing the actual problem with this team?  We saw it with Doug and we're seeing it with Nick now.  I think a new regime and another change of OC just ruins whatever chance you may have with Jalen, Smith, Brown, and Goedert to win a championship here.  I think the defensive philosophy needs to change and Lurie/Howie need to stay away from how this team actually plays.

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

This point you've made is why I don't understand people calling for Sirianni's head. If you just want another figurehead coach in there that has no power, just to have optimism again, then are you really addressing the actual problem with this team?  We saw it with Doug and we're seeing it with Nick now.  I think a new regime and another change of OC just ruins whatever chance you may have with Jalen, Smith, Brown, and Goedert to win a championship here.  I think the defensive philosophy needs to change and Lurie/Howie need to stay away from how this team actually plays.

Sirianni has no spine though. He willingly took this mess. Actually I want this to implode. Maybe it will help the GM and the Owner see that this "collaborative effort” bs they’re promoting isn’t conducive to creativity a winning culture.

29 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Sirianni has no spine though. He willingly took this mess. Actually I want this to implode. Maybe it will help the GM and the Owner see that this "collaborative effort” bs they’re promoting isn’t conducive to creativity a winning culture.

True, but I also can't say what the guy should do, as it's his job. Plenty of people stay in crap jobs out of necessity, this could be the same situation for Nick.  Doug left because he had a spine, but he hasn't done anything in Jax and is likely on his way out.  I don't want it to implode yet, I'm still hoping the players can rise above it and somehow win it all once. After that, I don't mind players bouncing, or just voicing their frustrations in order to initiate change

14 minutes ago, MF POON said:

True, but I also can't say what the guy should do, as it's his job. Plenty of people stay in crap jobs out of necessity, this could be the same situation for Nick.  Doug left because he had a spine, but he hasn't done anything in Jax and is likely on his way out.  I don't want it to implode yet, I'm still hoping the players can rise above it and somehow win it all once. After that, I don't mind players bouncing, or just voicing their frustrations in order to initiate change

Ultimately Sirianni isn’t a good coach. Have you seen his record lately? Basically Sirianni is a lame duck coach who doesn’t even realize that he’s a lame duck coach. There was nothing but hope for anyone who thought this would work. In essence these players don’t even respect him. What does he do that makes you think he should stay?

Since 2022 we have lost two pro bowlers, one DC who was good enuf to get a head coaching job, one hall of famer, and two very competent LBs from this defense.

And people are somehow expecting the same level of performance and 5 sacks a game. Our current D is built on a bunch of promising rookies and underperforming first rounders and aged veterans. Howie did not add a single bonafide pro bowler to this D since 2022.

That is on Howie not Siriani. 

5 hours ago, MF POON said:

True, but I also can't say what the guy should do, as it's his job. Plenty of people stay in crap jobs out of necessity, this could be the same situation for Nick.  Doug left because he had a spine, but he hasn't done anything in Jax and is likely on his way out.  I don't want it to implode yet, I'm still hoping the players can rise above it and somehow win it all once. After that, I don't mind players bouncing, or just voicing their frustrations in order to initiate change

Nick comes out of his impending firing smelling like a rose.  He is set for life financially at a young age.  The key here is Nick is a complete idiot and has no football knowledge.  The accepted opinion arounf the NFL when he was hired was that he wasn't even qualified to be a coordinator.  At best he was a position coach.  But Nick doesn't know anything of value.  He couldn't coach in college.  He would be a below average high school coach.  To get as far as he did and to have made as much money as he has, Nick absolutely maximized his potential in life.  The guy is stupid and has no abilities except he read the tea leaves, kissed butt on the way up and when every respected coach told Lurie they wouldn't be his yes man, Nick smartly jumped at the opportunity he didn't ever deserve and set himself up for life.  Now it's time to send him off to the golf course for the next 40 years.  This guy is the most successful moron you'll find anywhere.  Well done Nick!  Now leave

6 hours ago, MF POON said:

This point you've made is why I don't understand people calling for Sirianni's head. If you just want another figurehead coach in there that has no power, just to have optimism again, then are you really addressing the actual problem with this team?  We saw it with Doug and we're seeing it with Nick now.  I think a new regime and another change of OC just ruins whatever chance you may have with Jalen, Smith, Brown, and Goedert to win a championship here.  I think the defensive philosophy needs to change and Lurie/Howie need to stay away from how this team actually plays.

I agree with your underlying point, but it's not like Howie or Lurie can be easily replaced. Their last 2 coaching hires look a lot better than they were for 2 reasons. First and foremost, they had a QB on a rookie contract make an enormous leap in the coach's 2nd year, and played at an MVP type level. The rookie contract part allowed Howie to make a number of other transactions that struck gold in both years, allowing for an unexpected Super Bowl run. I'm not banking on that happening for a 3rd time. They're going to hire another Doug P/ Sirianni type again, and they may have limited success because Howie will bring in some good offensive talent, but the coaching, and Howie's lack of ability to consistently draft good defense will limit us going forward.

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I agree with your underlying point, but it's not like Howie or Lurie can be easily replaced. Their last 2 coaching hires look a lot better than they were for 2 reasons. First and foremost, they had a QB on a rookie contract make an enormous leap in the coach's 2nd year, and played at an MVP type level. The rookie contract part allowed Howie to make a number of other transactions that struck gold in both years, allowing for an unexpected Super Bowl run. I'm not banking on that happening for a 3rd time. They're going to hire another Doug P/ Sirianni type again, and they may have limited success because Howie will bring in some good offensive talent, but the coaching, and Howie's lack of ability to consistently draft good defense will limit us going forward.

Don't over look that Howie has spent the most salary cap money of anyone in the league.  We have already spent more than a full season's salary cap of future dollars.  It's not hard to acquire free agent talent when you over spend more than anyone else.  That door has closed.  We need more than 7 draft picks each year and we need to hit on a lot of them.  Howie can't do that.  So we are now at the fork in the road.  Time to sell players and acquire as many picks as possible, pay down debt and turn the draft over to competant evaluators.  It's up to Lurie to see this reality.  Maybe a crash and burn finish to the season would open his eyes.  

1 minute ago, weko said:

Don't over look that Howie has spent the most salary cap money of anyone in the league.  We have already spent more than a full season's salary cap of future dollars.  It's not hard to acquire free agent talent when you over spend more than anyone else.  That door has closed.  We need more than 7 draft picks each year and we need to hit on a lot of them.  Howie can't do that.  So we are now at the fork in the road.  Time to sell players and acquire as many picks as possible, pay down debt and turn the draft over to competant evaluators.  It's up to Lurie to see this reality.  Maybe a crash and burn finish to the season would open his eyes.  

You would hope, but I fear Lurie is going to be blinded to Howie's weaknesses for some time.

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

You would hope, but I fear Lurie is going to be blinded to Howie's weaknesses for some time.

Lurie is committed to Howie like he's his son.  He will always be a part of the front office.  Howie is great at making trades.  And he knows how to work the salary cap even though he has over spent daddy's money without getting a good return.  Those care free big spending days are over.  We don't have any money left.  I agree it's going to take numerous poor drafts for Lurie to make a change and by then we will be a 4-5 win team.  That's what I expect going forward.  We are about there now with our pathletic D talent and flawed scheme.  It's gonna get ugly

16 hours ago, time2rock said:

Yes I was including Gannon when I stated that (I did not say anything about 2 years ... not sure where that came from).

Sorry bud you said a few and I read two. I’m blaming the new puppy and the lack of sleep 😊. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Sorry bud you said a few and I read two. I’m blaming the new puppy and the lack of sleep 😊. 

Good luck with the new pup!  

On 9/30/2024 at 7:54 PM, EazyEaglez said:

The coordinators for Sirianni are not his hires. Howie and Lurie make these calls. They let Reid amass so much power and Chip Kelly almost tore them apart. It’s like they have vowed to never let it happen again. 

so then we have a puppet Yes Man. AR was a great coach. He was burned out and had personal issues (quite frankly I was surprised to see him take a job right away after getting fired, but it worked out for him) but don't think he had too much power. He brought the team to heights never achieved before. 5 NFCCG's is nothing to sneeze at

2 hours ago, JohnB said:

so then we have a puppet Yes Man. AR was a great coach. He was burned out and had personal issues (quite frankly I was surprised to see him take a job right away after getting fired, but it worked out for him) but don't think he had too much power. He brought the team to heights never achieved before. 5 NFCCG's is nothing to sneeze at

When Reid’s son and the other got into trouble, he took some time off and once that happened I think the behind the scene power moves began. Once Chip made his power play I think it shocked Howie and Lurie. It’s basically been analytics and yes men since, but they have been highly successful with those types of coaches. They just don’t seem to last. 

Our future looks bleak. Not much talent and poor coaching. And you guys said Howie overspent. Ughhh.... We might be bad at least 5 years.

On 9/29/2024 at 5:49 PM, Eagleblood52 said:

We got a team now…talent everywhere, siriani isn’t setting em up for success, Moore isn’t as good as I had hoped, same with fangio..we can’t waste this talent thinking these coaches are gonna change, they won’t, gotta move on from these guys if they’re not working right…

We have very little talent on defense