Not only bc of injuries, but time for coaches to reevaluate their schemes. I'm giving Moore a pass these 1st 4 weeks. Fangio, I'm not sure if he's open to change or set in his ways. Siri needs to stay the F away from Moore.

 

Go Birds!

I’m not sure why anyone thought things would be much different with Fangio considering the last two DCs were his disciples running this exact same trash scheme. 

6 minutes ago, nipples said:

I’m not sure why anyone thought things would be much different with Fangio considering the last two DCs were his disciples running this exact same trash scheme. 

I'm guessing bc last week he deployed some crazy shi..., not sure why we didn't see anything like it yesterday. ESPECIALLY when you saw the constant dinking and dunking.

I thought after the disaster of last season they re-evaluated everything? Now another re-evaluation is needed? It's pretty clear the issues start with the coach and go all the down to special teams. Actually they start with Howie and Jeffery for that matter. This team is a dumpster fire. The only difference between this season and the last third of last season is we now have Barkley. Without him the team would probably be 0-4. Hell, without him we could easily be 0-4. May only take another game or two for Barkley to get infected with the virus that now has infected all three phases of the game. Can anyone say after this latest debacle that the team has improved from last year? No pass rush, corners still 10 yards off when the other team is 2nd or 3rd and short. Hurts is less accurate and a turnover machine, defense puts up little if any resistance, special teams players not knowing basic rules on blocking players into the punter. 
 

There’s two things this bye should be used for. One of them it will be utilised for, the other we all know it won’t.

1. Rest up and get healthy. This teams chances are predicated on AJ, Smitty and Lane getting and staying healthy. 

2. Getting rid of the idiot at HC. He’s got to go. No reason, no advantage, no positive to be gained from keeping him.

We played two playoff winning teams technically both on the road. And one team that was ranked #1 offensively when we played them. And we didn't have our #1 offensive weapon for 3 of those games. I will take 2-2 without much teeth gnashing.

I'll start panicking if after 5 more weeks we are still stuck at .500 or worse. Then yeah, they should fire everyone since it's just not acceptable with our cakewalk schedule from here on out.

4 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

We played two playoff winning teams technically both on the road. And one team that was ranked #1 offensively when we played them. And we didn't have our #1 offensive weapon for 3 of those games. I will take 2-2 without much teeth gnashing.

I'll start panicking if after 5 more weeks we are still stuck at .500 or worse. Then yeah, they should fire everyone since it's just not acceptable with our cakewalk schedule from here on out.

Couldn't agree more. November and December tells us what we need to know. It certainly did last year.

12 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

Couldn't agree more. November and December tells us what we need to know. It certainly did last year.

How much longer can they let this crap go on? Sirianni clearly doesn’t have the answers.

4 hours ago, nipples said:

I’m not sure why anyone thought things would be much different with Fangio considering the last two DCs were his disciples running this exact same trash scheme. 

We should’ve brought in a JJ disciple - Ron Rivera.

He wasn’t a great HC, but he’s a tremendous defensive mind.

4 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

We should’ve brought in a JJ disciple - Ron Rivera.

He wasn’t a great HC, but he’s a tremendous defensive mind.

Exactly, I wanted Rivera as our DC as well...but the Fangio obsession in two certain heads is simply too strong

13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

How much longer can they let this crap go on? Sirianni clearly doesn’t have the answers.

Unfortunately it will go on for quite some time because there are always excuses. Our excuse Sunday was heat and injuries. But we never look ourselves in the mirror and ask how Tampa did just fine with the same issues, injuries and heat.

I'm still fuming from the piss poor performance that Sirianni just needs to go, rip the bandaid off now. We suffered watching this ish last year, it would suck to have to do it again. 

How this team manages to be laughed at with an offensive roster that it has is clear as day - COACHING

And we haven't even began the discussion on Hurts. 

10 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

We should’ve brought in a JJ disciple - Ron Rivera.

He wasn’t a great HC, but he’s a tremendous defensive mind.

If he’s so good why does he not have a job. 

14 hours ago, opa-opa said:

We played two playoff winning teams technically both on the road. And one team that was ranked #1 offensively when we played them. And we didn't have our #1 offensive weapon for 3 of those games. I will take 2-2 without much teeth gnashing.

I'll start panicking if after 5 more weeks we are still stuck at .500 or worse. Then yeah, they should fire everyone since it's just not acceptable with our cakewalk schedule from here on out.

It's playing exactly out as last year, season is over and sooner we rip off the band aid of getting rid of everyone involved in this soft ass culture the better. 

33 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

I'm still fuming from the piss poor performance that Sirianni just needs to go, rip the bandaid off now. We suffered watching this ish last year, it would suck to have to do it again. 

This is the thing… This isn’t just 4 games of this season. This goes back to last year. And in fact even at 10-1 there were some glaring issues with this team and its lack of discipline. Sirianni is absolutely a huge part of the problem.

11 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

We should’ve brought in a JJ disciple - Ron Rivera.

He wasn’t a great HC, but he’s a tremendous defensive mind.

People act like JJ didn't have the same issues. When teams wanted to neutralize our pass rush, they went to a quick passing game, taking what was there. That was NE's strategy against us in SB XXXIX. The Fangio philosophy worked well for us in 2022 when we set a team record with 70 sacks. The biggest difference between 2022 and 2024 was the first half leads we were amassing, putting the pressure on teams to get 1-dimensional early. 

Personally, I'm not a fan of the system we run. But it works when the players tackle well. Sunday showed how bad it could be when the tackling is poor.

21 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

People act like JJ didn't have the same issues. When teams wanted to neutralize our pass rush, they went to a quick passing game, taking what was there. That was NE's strategy against us in SB XXXIX. The Fangio philosophy worked well for us in 2022 when we set a team record with 70 sacks. The biggest difference between 2022 and 2024 was the first half leads we were amassing, putting the pressure on teams to get 1-dimensional early. 

Personally, I'm not a fan of the system we run. But it works when the players tackle well. Sunday showed how bad it could be when the tackling is poor.

I don't think, its about actual inability to tackle...I believe it is more about wanting to tackle and having the right mindset and the mindset is a longterm result of current system... I also I don't believe that changing the system will  immidiatelly lead to significant improvment in the area, but for ít would be a begining. I actually don't think that players believe in this system

4 minutes ago, Vlad67 said:

I don't think, its about actual inability to tackle...I believe it is more about wanting to tackle and having the right mindset and the mindset is a longterm result of current system... I also I don't believe that changing the system will  immidiatelly lead to significant improvment in the area, but for ít would be a begining. I actually don't think that players believe in this system

I think it’s a real mixture to be honest. One of the big glaring issues on Sunday was the number of poor angles players were taking. 

3-10 in the last 13 games, at least half of the losses were blowouts. 2 of the 3 wins were nearly losses but I guess some losses were nearly wins so they even out.

Record last 13 games for our next 4 opponents:
Browns 5-8 - in Philly
Giants 5-8 (including 27-10 win over Eagles) - Away Game
Bengals 5-8 - Away game
Jaguars 3-10 - in Philly

Based on how things are going two wins in this stretch may be expecting too much. Keep hearing how talented the eagles are but the more accurate word may be overrated.

 

 

12 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

We should’ve brought in a JJ disciple - Ron Rivera.

He wasn’t a great HC, but he’s a tremendous defensive mind.

Was my first choice this off season but what do I know lol

In the offseason I thought week 5 bye was good regardless, because they have two new coordinators. They don't play starters in preseason. So an early bye allows to evaluate what's been working and not and make changes.

Now it's even more important.

When the schedule came out I was very much not happy with the week 5 bye.  I mean that's 13 straight weeks with a game going into the playoffs.  At this point I don't think it matters since I don't see this team needing to worry about going to the playoffs anyway.

The only saving grace is maybe the get some people back healthy, but for them to have to stew over that loss must be painful. If they come out the same lethargic way they have been verses the Browns they might as well fire Sirianni at halftime.

13 hours ago, rrfierce said:

If he’s so good why does he not have a job. 

I don’t know. Why doesn’t Bill Belichick have a job? You can’t tell me he’s not a top 32 coach. 

13 hours ago, brkmsn said:

People act like JJ didn't have the same issues. When teams wanted to neutralize our pass rush, they went to a quick passing game, taking what was there. That was NE's strategy against us in SB XXXIX. The Fangio philosophy worked well for us in 2022 when we set a team record with 70 sacks. The biggest difference between 2022 and 2024 was the first half leads we were amassing, putting the pressure on teams to get 1-dimensional early. 

Personally, I'm not a fan of the system we run. But it works when the players tackle well. Sunday showed how bad it could be when the tackling is poor.

All defensive schemes have strengths and weaknesses. Fangio runs a soft zone that gives up a lot of yards between the 20’s. They are on the field too long but its strength is not giving up the big play. It’s death by 1,000 cuts. Generates very few turnovers.

JJ’s scheme was pressure, pressure, pressure. Leaving your DB’s on an island with the potential for a big play. The defense also created a lot turnovers because of the pressure it puts on the offense.

If you’re not a fan, which system would you rather have? 

1 hour ago, Road to Victory said:

All defensive schemes have strengths and weaknesses. Fangio runs a soft zone that gives up a lot of yards between the 20’s. They are on the field too long but its strength is not giving up the big play. It’s death by 1,000 cuts. Generates very few turnovers.

JJ’s scheme was pressure, pressure, pressure. Leaving your DB’s on an island with the potential for a big play. The defense also created a lot turnovers because of the pressure it puts on the offense.

If you’re not a fan, which system would you rather have? 

JJ would often tell his corners to take the PI over the TD. It’s still the same mindset of not giving up the big play. JJ would also blitz anytime his defense gave up a big play. I think what is really lost in all of this Fangio zone stuff is the corners and safeties play very much off the ball. That’s why there are so many times the quarterback can dink and dunk them for 7-9 yard completions and have release rates of less than three seconds. If 4 can’t get home and the corners don’t press, the quarterback will take what the defense gives him. We may love the attack style more, but JJ’s defenses weren’t without some hiccups too. I remember Peyton Manning just carving them up. I remember a bad blowout against Seattle. Any defensive philosophy can be exposed especially in today’s no contact NFL. Coaches need to adapt to the skill sets of their players and that’s where I fault Fangio the most. He’s not using his players in an effective manner. With that being the case I don’t blame him for the lack of fundamental tackling, because that’s been a problem even before he got here. Fundamentals in my opinion are directly related to the head coach.