52 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

JJ would often tell his corners to take the PI over the TD. It’s still the same mindset of not giving up the big play. JJ would also blitz anytime his defense gave up a big play. I think what is really lost in all of this Fangio zone stuff is the corners and safeties play very much off the ball. That’s why there are so many times the quarterback can dink and dunk them for 7-9 yard completions and have release rates of less than three seconds. If 4 can’t get home and the corners don’t press, the quarterback will take what the defense gives him. We may love the attack style more, but JJ’s defenses weren’t without some hiccups too. I remember Peyton Manning just carving them up. I remember a bad blowout against Seattle. Any defensive philosophy can be exposed especially in today’s no contact NFL. Coaches need to adapt to the skill sets of their players and that’s where I fault Fangio the most. He’s not using his players in an effective manner. With that being the case I don’t blame him for the lack of fundamental tackling, because that’s been a problem even before he got here. Fundamentals in my opinion are directly related to the head coach. 

Agree. I’d also rather lose being aggressive than lose being soft and passive. 

JJ’s defense put fear in the eyes of the QB. Fangio’s defense makes their eyes light up. 

17 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think it’s a real mixture to be honest. One of the big glaring issues on Sunday was the number of poor angles players were taking. 

Agreed...poor angle is lot of time result of being step behind and there can be multiple reasons for it...In general players may still be a bit confused at what they are supposed to do, maybe as time will go it'll get better since they'll get better at understanding the system and gaining confidence...or on Sunday particulary there was 40+ degrees which if you are not used to it drains you quickly(that goes on coaches nad their game plannig)...Also some players are more interested in their personal resume than team(say hello Slay) and some may really just not be good enough...all in all we are not in good situation

10 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

All defensive schemes have strengths and weaknesses. Fangio runs a soft zone that gives up a lot of yards between the 20’s. They are on the field too long but its strength is not giving up the big play. It’s death by 1,000 cuts. Generates very few turnovers.

JJ’s scheme was pressure, pressure, pressure. Leaving your DB’s on an island with the potential for a big play. The defense also created a lot turnovers because of the pressure it puts on the offense.

If you’re not a fan, which system would you rather have? 

I've always preferred 4-3 over 3-4 and I do prefer more aggressiveness. When you watch bend but don't break systems fail, it's hard not to wish the defense at least attempted to force big plays if the end result is the same. There's no doubt I'd choose JJ over Fangio and over Schwartz who used the 4-3, but also employed bend but don't break principles. 

Spagnulo defenses are 5-0 in Superbowls. Why dont we just do whatever they are doing?

Just hope we see adjustments and not the same crap

On 10/1/2024 at 8:05 AM, NOTW said:

In the offseason I thought week 5 bye was good regardless, because they have two new coordinators. They don't play starters in preseason. So an early bye allows to evaluate what's been working and not and make changes.

Now it's even more important.

we could use 2 bye weeks. One because there is no preseason. Another because it is painful for the fans to watch this team. If someone said that there is a second bye week where you do not have to watch...Maddox tackling or De Jean catch a punt...I think most fans would be on board.

18 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

JJ would often tell his corners to take the PI over the TD. It’s still the same mindset of not giving up the big play. JJ would also blitz anytime his defense gave up a big play. I think what is really lost in all of this Fangio zone stuff is the corners and safeties play very much off the ball. That’s why there are so many times the quarterback can dink and dunk them for 7-9 yard completions and have release rates of less than three seconds. If 4 can’t get home and the corners don’t press, the quarterback will take what the defense gives him. We may love the attack style more, but JJ’s defenses weren’t without some hiccups too. I remember Peyton Manning just carving them up. I remember a bad blowout against Seattle. Any defensive philosophy can be exposed especially in today’s no contact NFL. Coaches need to adapt to the skill sets of their players and that’s where I fault Fangio the most. He’s not using his players in an effective manner. With that being the case I don’t blame him for the lack of fundamental tackling, because that’s been a problem even before he got here. Fundamentals in my opinion are directly related to the head coach. 

I remember the blowout in Seattle, if I am remembering correctly....was Russell Wilson the QB?

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I've always preferred 4-3 over 3-4 and I do prefer more aggressiveness. When you watch bend but don't break systems fail, it's hard not to wish the defense at least attempted to force big plays if the end result is the same. There's no doubt I'd choose JJ over Fangio and over Schwartz who used the 4-3, but also employed bend but don't break principles. 

Everything SINCE JJ passed has been bend but dont break and it fails miserably just about every single time...I am so sick of seeing it....maybe we need Buddy Ryan back...