9 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

Why not?

The mainstream definition is that a Never Trumper is a conservative and former Republican. Of course they might have been a more moderate Republican and be a bit of a centrist.

I would agree that the term has gained a wider meaning in practical use.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

The mainstream definition is that a Never Trumper is a conservative and former Republican. Of course they might have been a more moderate Republican and be a bit of a centrist.

I would agree that the term has gained a wider meaning in practical use.

I believe that trump, or the republicans that became MAGA, have driven most moderate republicans out of the party. The country has never been riper for a moderate third party, the two extremes are dividing us beyond repair.

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

I believe that trump, or the republicans that became MAGA, have driven most moderate republicans out of the party. The country has never been riper for a moderate third party, the two extremes are dividing us beyond repair.

First sentence, very wrong. 2nd sentence, correct!

2 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

I believe that trump, or the republicans that became MAGA, have driven most moderate republicans out of the party. The country has never been riper for a moderate third party, the two extremes are dividing us beyond repair.

the thing is there’s absolutely no pushback at all amongst any centrist republicans in congress or from governors.

While I’m sure a centrist party would be a stated preference of centrist republicans, I’m not so sure it would be a revealed preference in terms of centrists actually running for office for that party.

Im pretty sure we’re just gonna be cooked for a few decades. We didn’t start to get out from under the Gilded Age until Teddy Roosevelt, and we weren’t completely out of it until the world bombed itself over twice.

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

First sentence, very wrong. 2nd sentence, correct!

You can believe what you want, but you are seriously unaware that you are part of the extreme right.

32 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

You can believe what you want, but you are seriously unaware that you are part of the extreme right.

You can believe what you want, but you are seriously unaware that you are part of the extreme left.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

First sentence, very wrong. 2nd sentence, correct!

Romney, McCain, Kasich, Amash, Kinzinger, Mattis, Kelly, McMaster, Upton, Meijer, etc

These names mean nothing to you because you're an uneducated rube who had to beg the government to forgive his loans, but to the rest of us who are actually informed, it proves TNT's point that Trump has been driving away true conservatives from the GOP for the past 9 years and counting.

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You can believe what you want, but you are seriously unaware that you are part of the extreme left.

Can you base that with something other than I’m aware trump is, and has always been, a POS con man? Other than that, what makes me part of the extreme left?

Is it because I choose the constitution over emotion and believe in due process for everyone?

Is it because I believe we should build a wall around our social services, but other wise, anyone who has a job in the us should be able to at least get a visa to work here legally Especially a migrant farm worker program.

Or is it because I believe that no one should be discriminated against for anything legal that doesn’t hurt others?

Is it because I don’t believe in bans, but also don’t think men should not be playing women’s sports?

Is it because I believe tariffs are a tax on Americans, especially the middle and lower class?

Edited to add that I don’t believe men should be playing women’s sports.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Romney, McCain, Kasich, Amash, Kinzinger, Mattis, Kelly, McMaster, Upton, Meijer, etc

These names mean nothing to you because you're an uneducated rube who had to beg the government to forgive his loans, but to the rest of us who are actually informed, it proves TNT's point that Trump has been driving away true conservatives from the GOP for the past 9 years and counting.

The problem is that he couldn't because the left is so crazy.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

The problem is that he couldn't because the left is so crazy.

Say what? You make no sense.

Trumpbots: We need Trump in office because he will keep us out of forever wars

Also Trumpbots: Trump is going to bomb Iran

Also delusional Trumpbots: after we bomb Iran they are going to give Trump the Nobel Peace Prize!

30 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think most of the country just feels like it's all bluster. But yeah there is no evidence. His own intelligence people, whom handpicked less than a year ago are telling him there is no nuclear weapons program. He says there is and the only evidence he's offered is "trust me bro".

Multiple B2s just took off from an air base in Missouri per CNN.

Deadly stealth bombers, which only the US has in their arsenal, are on their way to a US Air Force base in Guam amid growing tensions with Iran, according to reports.

Six B-2 stealth bombers, docked at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, appeared to be on the move on Saturday morning, according to Fox News.

The bombers are said to have been refueled, which means they could have launched without full tanks due to the extraordinarily heavy bunker-buster bombs.

3 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Say what? You make no sense.

Remember, you guys lost the election.

31 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Remember, you guys lost the election.

"lost the election"

Welp

Well F

U.S. hits three Iranian nuclear sites

Time to bring these back? I’m sure Disney wouldn’t mind.