3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel is the aggressive short guy in the bar who goes around picking fights with everyone because they have a 6ft 5in professional boxer stood behind them threatening to kick the crap out of anyone that hits them back. Iran has been 'on the brink of having Nuclear weapons' every time Israel needs an excuse to attack them for about 30 years now, the idea they're trying for one now is just a fig leaf because Trump took an axe to a deal on Iranian nuclear ambitions his first go around, best we can hope for is China doesn't go any further than tweeting that Israel has to stop and kick off the big one.

Remove the theocracy and Iran will either vote in a regime similarly unpalatable to Israel / America because Israel (backed by America) has attacked them repeatedly in the last 15 years or they'll do a Libya and descend into a bitter factional civil war, but to make it extra spicy they'll have enough fissile material in the country to make every 2 bit paperback plot about terrorists planting a dirty bomb in a western city a legit concern for the next decade, the idea they can reinstall the monarchy that was kicked out by the Iranian population almost 50 years ago and everything will be fine is purest fantasy.

That analogy neglects the fact that "never again" comes into play after the holocaust and the two wars, where the surrounding countries tried to wipe them off the map because they are Jews and this war has been fought since Abraham kicked out Ishmael. Yeah, they rely on us for help, but saying they need us behind them also neglects the fact that they alone kicked the crap out of all those countries in six days. They are aggressive because they have to be. I hope they are successful, and I fully support them even if I don't want our troops involved

PS we went to war for 20 years in multiple countries for an attack on 9/11 that was less per capita than Oct 6th.

so supporting endless wars is ok again?

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

so supporting endless wars is ok again?

only when a Republican is in office

Just now, toolg said:

only when a Republican is in office

oh, so full steam ahead now, right?

8 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

oh, so full steam ahead now, right?

seems so.

13 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

so supporting endless wars is ok again?

Funny how that works, right?

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Funny how that works, right?

well, being the big of a fan of mental gymnastics that i am, this should bring some all-time classic highlight reels from the trumpers.

4 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel is the aggressive short guy in the bar who goes around picking fights with everyone because they have a 6ft 5in professional boxer stood behind them threatening to kick the crap out of anyone that hits them back. Iran has been 'on the brink of having Nuclear weapons' every time Israel needs an excuse to attack them for about 30 years now, the idea they're trying for one now is just a fig leaf because Trump took an axe to a deal on Iranian nuclear ambitions his first go around, best we can hope for is China doesn't go any further than tweeting that Israel has to stop and kick off the big one.

Remove the theocracy and Iran will either vote in a regime similarly unpalatable to Israel / America because Israel (backed by America) has attacked them repeatedly in the last 15 years or they'll do a Libya and descend into a bitter factional civil war, but to make it extra spicy they'll have enough fissile material in the country to make every 2 bit paperback plot about terrorists planting a dirty bomb in a western city a legit concern for the next decade, the idea they can reinstall the monarchy that was kicked out by the Iranian population almost 50 years ago and everything will be fine is purest fantasy.

Yeah I mean the US is always behind Israel. Other than, you know, the Suez Crisis, Lebanon in the 80s, the Camp David Accords, Biden reeling in Netanyahu. Yeah, sure. They're only able to pick fights with people because of the US, and absolutely not because the rest of the Middle Eastern militaries are complete and total dog ish.

And, I mean, its not like the Iranians have been refining nuclear material over that 30 year time span. And over that 30 year time span Israel conducted military strikes in Iran non-stop and not just until the last year. And it's not like Iran have been funding Israels enemies since the 80s. And they didn't provide direct material support to the terrorist attacks in Argentina against Israelis. And the last go around, Hamas absolutely did not get Iranian help when they absolutely didn't send terrorists into Israel and wantonly massacre civilians, including women and children. Didn't happen.

And you're right that Israel wouldn't at all be able to accept peace with any new Iranian government. You can see this with how Israel is still at war with Egypt and Jordan, and didn't stop their conflicts with them decades ago. Certainly they would not be willing to sign any type of accords with Saudi Arabia either, who I might mention also completely and totally loves Iran.

And those two bit factions will absolutely have the bajillions of dollars, technical expertise, and manufacturing capabilities to enrich weapons grade material, and will have absolutely no problems at all doing this in a, as you put it, Libyan style civil war.

Luckily for Iran they should be able to handle this, what with the fact that they aren't having any large scale civil unrest with huge swaths of their population, and aren't engaged in active conflict with any portion of their populace, the portion absolutely not at all being given material and intelligence support from other Arab nations. No, not at all.

You know, I was getting very tired of the only moronic takes in this thread being from MAGAts. I'm really glad you were able to swing in with your simplistic tweed-coat takes. You're doing a great job balancing out that horseshoe. Keep up the good work.

6 hours ago, Mlodj said:

This is why the military hates ADS-B.

I know they can be turned off, but one would think they'd have some type of super duper encrypted system that only ATC has access to and not Billy Jim Joe Bob with a receiver in his backyard.

And that's the way it is

WSJ

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

WSJ

no involvement? we supply israel with tons of military weapons, just like with ukraine.

but one is good and the other is the the lobs in control picking on poor putin. 🤣

i will admit this much, i'm not upset at all to see this happen to iran.

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

That analogy neglects the fact that "never again" comes into play after the holocaust and the two wars, where the surrounding countries tried to wipe them off the map because they are Jews and this war has been fought since Abraham kicked out Ishmael. Yeah, they rely on us for help, but saying they need us behind them also neglects the fact that they alone kicked the crap out of all those countries in six days. They are aggressive because they have to be. I hope they are successful, and I fully support them even if I don't want our troops involved

PS we went to war for 20 years in multiple countries for an attack on 9/11 that was less per capita than Oct 6th.

Israel has killed several orders of magnitude more Palestinians than Israelis were killed on October the 7th in the past 18 months both in flat numbers and as a percentage of population, it has destroyed pretty much all the civilian infrastructure and is now engaged in the end stages of ethnic cleansing. Even Presidents like George Bush and Reagan knew that Israel could never be allowed carte blanche, and here we are after 9 years of carte blanche and they're wiping out the Palestinians in Gaza And the West Bank, and they've annexed parts of Lebanon and Syria. In Lebanon they violate a ceasefire every day as a matter of course and no one says boo.

Never again means never again for everyone, the use of the Holocaust as a moral shield for what's going on now is abhorrent, that the US has at best sat on its hands and funded and armed this ongoing atrocity (Biden) or actively encouraged, funded and armed it (Trump) will be a stain on our history we will never erase, we've trashed the idea of a rules based international order for a genocidal state.

8 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel has killed several orders of magnitude more Palestinians than Israelis were killed on October the 7th in the past 18 months both in flat numbers and as a percentage of population, it has destroyed pretty much all the civilian infrastructure and is now engaged in the end stages of ethnic cleansing. Even Presidents like George Bush and Reagan knew that Israel could never be allowed carte blanche, and here we are after 9 years of carte blanche and they're wiping out the Palestinians in Gaza And the West Bank, and they've annexed parts of Lebanon and Syria. In Lebanon they violate a ceasefire every day as a matter of course and no one says boo.

Never again means never again for everyone, the use of the Holocaust as a moral shield for what's going on now is abhorrent, that the US has at best sat on its hands and funded and armed this ongoing atrocity (Biden) or actively encouraged, funded and armed it (Trump) will be a stain on our history we will never erase, we've trashed the idea of a rules based international order for a genocidal state.

Moral of the story don't support a terror organization as your government. When you see the videos of 6-year-olds spitting on nude dead women in trucks you lose sympathy for a people that indoctrinates their youth to that degree.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Moral of the story don't support a terror organization as your government. FAFO.

why is it ok the arm and fund israel while you scream about the us doing the same in ukraine?

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

why is it ok the arm and fund israel while you scream about the us doing the same in ukraine?

Reverse UNO card. Why are people upset about Israel when they support it with Ukraine

53 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i will admit this much, i'm not upset at all to see this happen to iran.

Exactly. People upset that a regime that cries for our destruction is getting their ass kicked baffles me. To answer your question from your other post that is one reason.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Reverse UNO card. Why are people upset about Israel when they support it with Ukraine

as per usual, deflection is your best defense and in this case, a horrible one.

for starters, i'll say it's because russia isn't dealing with ethnic cleansing at the moment.

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

as per usual, deflection is your best defenseand in this case, a horrible one.

for starters, i'll say it's because russia isn't dealing with ethnic cleansing at the moment.

Per usual deflection back. Ukraine isn't a country I give a crap about in terms of our security. Israel is an ally and the chosen people of God, so as a Christian I have no shame in saying I'm playing favorites.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Per usual deflection back. Ukraine isn't a country I give a crap about in terms of our security. Israel is an ally and the chosen people of God, so as a Christian I have no shame in says I'm playing favorites.

so, no good reason at all. color me shocked. 🤣

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

so, no good reason at all. color me shocked. 🤣

To you nothing will be. Don't care. Just like many don't mind crying about Ukraine and hating Israel. But yeah, I stand with the people of my God. You won't accept that. Oh well. You wanted an answer there it is. I'm unabashedly biased.

But we agree on not having a problem with Israel doing this.

I support Isreal and Ukraine. I'm smart.

30 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Israel is an ally and the chosen people of God, so as a Christian I have no shame in saying I'm playing favorites.

Do you think it goes Christians and then Jews or Jews and then Christians?

8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Do you think it goes Christians and then Jews or Jews and then Christians?

Who cares. He asked for my reasons. He got them.