3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I mean, it really is something when you list them out.

POTUS -- grifter, imbecile, convicted felon

VPOTUS -- guy who once called his boss Hitler

SECDEF -- Former Fox weekend TV host with a drinking problem

DNI -- Russian agent

AG -- moron who thinks she represents the POTUS instead of the American people

SEC Transport -- former reality show contestant

SEC Commerce -- one of the biggest jokes on Wall Street and awful human being

I'm sure I am forgetting others.

We're the Jets of national governments.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I mean, it really is something when you list them out.

POTUS -- grifter, imbecile, convicted felon

VPOTUS -- guy who once called his boss Hitler

SECDEF -- Former Fox weekend TV host with a drinking problem

DNI -- Russian agent

AG -- moron who thinks she represents the POTUS instead of the American people

SEC Transport -- former reality show contestant

SEC Commerce -- one of the biggest jokes on Wall Street and awful human being

I'm sure I am forgetting others.

sec of education - wife of wrestling promoter

42 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

campaign promise, no more endless wars.

reality, trump pushing to get involved in a conflict because he can't negotiate worth a sheet, while also not ending the ukraine conflict as promised. only two more weeks there though, right?

yes, i can be happy to see this happen to iran while also mocking the potus for trying to stick our noses in it. it's not a very hard concept to follow.

Again, nothing has happened yet and if we do we don't know to what extent. We agree and it sounds like both prefer us to not get involved, but if we drop a few on the sites I'm personally not going to be that upset. If boots end up on the ground that's another level and we'll have to see to what extent. I'm not mad about any of it right now we'll have to wait and see.

Mock him all you want. It's not a hard concept to follow a joke about us needing to blow stuff up once in a while even if I prefer we didn't.

21 hours ago, Bill said:

Yeah I mean the US is always behind Israel. Other than, you know, the Suez Crisis, Lebanon in the 80s, the Camp David Accords, Biden reeling in Netanyahu. Yeah, sure. They're only able to pick fights with people because of the US, and absolutely not because the rest of the Middle Eastern militaries are complete and total dog ish.

And, I mean, its not like the Iranians have been refining nuclear material over that 30 year time span. And over that 30 year time span Israel conducted military strikes in Iran non-stop and not just until the last year. And it's not like Iran have been funding Israels enemies since the 80s. And they didn't provide direct material support to the terrorist attacks in Argentina against Israelis. And the last go around, Hamas absolutely did not get Iranian help when they absolutely didn't send terrorists into Israel and wantonly massacre civilians, including women and children. Didn't happen.

And you're right that Israel wouldn't at all be able to accept peace with any new Iranian government. You can see this with how Israel is still at war with Egypt and Jordan, and didn't stop their conflicts with them decades ago. Certainly they would not be willing to sign any type of accords with Saudi Arabia either, who I might mention also completely and totally loves Iran.

And those two bit factions will absolutely have the bajillions of dollars, technical expertise, and manufacturing capabilities to enrich weapons grade material, and will have absolutely no problems at all doing this in a, as you put it, Libyan style civil war.

Luckily for Iran they should be able to handle this, what with the fact that they aren't having any large scale civil unrest with huge swaths of their population, and aren't engaged in active conflict with any portion of their populace, the portion absolutely not at all being given material and intelligence support from other Arab nations. No, not at all.

You know, I was getting very tired of the only moronic takes in this thread being from MAGAts. I'm really glad you were able to swing in with your simplistic tweed-coat takes. You're doing a great job balancing out that horseshoe. Keep up the good work.

Israel has claimed Iran has been just about to produce a Nuclear weapon every 3 years since 2001, we never talk about the fact that Israel does have nukes and takes swings at everybody in the region regularly, is occupying territory in defiance of UN resolutions dating back decades and expanding settlements when even the American government told them to stop that. When did Biden reel in Netanyahu? Can you pin point that for everyone, was it that time where he was sort of almost critical and then barely days later approved a boatload more arms shipments?

Israel can attack Iran because Iran supplies weapons to Hamas, by that logic would Iran or Russia be justified in attacking US bases because we supplied arms that were used to attack them in Israel and Ukraine or does arming people's enemies only justify attack when the guys we call the baddies do it?

Peace in Israel? What happened to derail the Oslo accords? Who was funding Hamas at that time because they were a counterbalance to Arafat and the PLO who were negotiating, who's entire political career was built off the back of the collapse of the Oslo accords? If the issue is funding terrorism why does the US play nicely with Saudi who have funded pretty much every major Islamic terrorist group through back channels for decades, instead we pointed the finger at countries like Iraq, why were Biden and the CIA supplying arms to that Isis guy who just took over Syria if our role as World Policeman is to stop terrorism? Why is Netanyahu funding and arming other groups of Islamic militants against Hamas now?

With regards to the 2 bit factions and fissile material, the 60% enriched Uranium exists now, we know where it is because unlike Israel, Iran has allowed inspections of it's Nuclear facilities throughout, that's how the IAEA and US Intelligence know that Iran doesn't have weapons grade material or a weapon yet nor were there signals it was attempting to build one, if Israel keeps bombing the facilities and killing the people that work there, the risk of that stuff disappearing rises markedly, and you don't need weapons grade material to produce a dirty bomb that can render a few square blocks of a city uninhabitable for decades. Iran has the knowledge to enrich Uranium now, you can't make a people unlearn that, that's why even if the 2015 deal was "flawed", if your fear is genuinely Iran might produce a weapon pulling out of it was dumb as rocks because it gave us complete oversight of Iran's nuclear science capabilities.

One thing that is guaranteed to unite a countries population is bombing it, the idea they're on the brink of overthrowing the government is faintly absurd.

HORSESHOE THEORY KLAXON!!! The last refuge of the 'Serious American scholar of the middle East'. Keep telling me that Israel is the good guy because their slaughtering of more women and children than Hamas would've killed in 10 October the 7ths and mowing down people in food queues is somehow more noble. Ignore the slaughter, Israel are carrying out a completely justified ethnic cleansing, it's absolutely not like those other genocides that we sent troops in to stop because that's what the good guys do, it's different, you're just that much more smart.

25 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

sec of education - wife of rapist wrestling promotor

Fyp

7 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

attack them in... Ukraine

You're making it easier on me. I can just highlight one point you tried to make and show you for exactly who you are: a useful idiot.

Aw, is somebody upset that their favored tyrannical regimes are being shown to the world as the paper tigers they are? Dab your tears with your tweed coat.

13 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I can't stand Gabbard, but if he appointed her to that position you would think he'd at least listen to her.

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I can't stand Gabbard, but if he appointed her to that position you would think he'd at least listen to her.

We talking about the same Trump here?

Any US offensive against Iran right now would be a grave mistake. There is little to gain, but much more to lose at stake.

Of course bully Trump would like to strike them when they are down.

14 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I can't stand Gabbard, but if he appointed her to that position you would think he'd at least listen to her.

This is where the press fails so hard. After he said that he didn't care what she said, someone needed to follow up and ask then why is she the DNI.

So, they know she is a Russian asset??

1 minute ago, toolg said:

Any US offensive against Iran right now would be a grave mistake. There is little to gain, but much more to lose at stake.

Of course bully Trump would like to strike them when they are down.

Agree. There isn't much of a reason to get involved past helping them with incoming attacks. Sit back and let them do the heavy lifting. The only gain would be that a MOP could destroy the stuff theirs can't reach. If their air defense is as weakened as some suggest maybe that's an option if they won't agree to our terms. Israel opened the door so I see little to gain by letting them get off the mat. One way or another this needs to be the end of their enrichment program.

8 minutes ago, toolg said:

Any US offensive against Iran right now would be a grave mistake. There is little to gain, but much more to lose at stake.

Of course bully Trump would like to strike them when they are down.

Right on cue. Trump loses control of the narrative so he overcompensates in the most self destructive way possible. Same thing he's doing on the TACO tariffs.

Time for some impeachment papers if he went to war without Congress voting on it

Just now, dawkins4prez said:

Right on cue. Trump loses control of the narrative so he overcompensates in the most self destructive way possible. Same thing he's doing on the TACO tariffs.

Maybe, but as I said above the door is open right now. This isn't to defend him, but more of a will there ever be a better opportunity to either force them to agree to our terms or to wipe them out if they won't bend a knee? I think we all would like to avoid getting involved, but at the same time I think many of us are tired of their regime. If the videos of Israeli jets flying over without much opposition are real then Iran won't be recovering anytime soon. I'd keep using the threat of us getting involved over them, but not rush into it unless they are making it clear they won't ever agree to our terms. It seems we have time to watch it play out.

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Time for some impeachment papers if he went to war without Congress voting on it

Yeah, that's not how it works.

Several C17s going to and from Ramstein (where there is a massive ordinance holding area) heading to and from DG (I am assuming as they turn off transponders at 30K ft over Saudi Arabia heading towards DG).

MAGAts had a collective nervous breakdown and were threatening ritual suicide over sending Ukraine some guns and missiles.

Six months later and we're watching them stroke their micro peens to Trump and Israel waging war on Iran and demanding the full surrender of a foreign country.

What a time to be alive

4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

MAGAts had a collective nervous breakdown and were threatening ritual suicide over sending Ukraine some guns and missiles.

Six months later and we're watching them stroke their micro peens to Trump and Israel waging war on Iran and demanding the full surrender of a foreign country.

What a time to be alive

oh no, didn't you hear, the two situations are nothing alike and we should all chill out.

6 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

oh no, didn't you hear, the two situations are nothing alike and we should all chill out.

Yes yes, and inflation is currently sitting at 1.2%

30 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Maybe, but as I said above the door is open right now. This isn't to defend him, but more of a will there ever be a better opportunity to either force them to agree to our terms or to wipe them out if they won't bend a knee? I think we all would like to avoid getting involved, but at the same time I think many of us are tired of their regime. If the videos of Israeli jets flying over without much opposition are real then Iran won't be recovering anytime soon. I'd keep using the threat of us getting involved over them, but not rush into it unless they are making it clear they won't ever agree to our terms. It seems we have time to watch it play out.

FAFO I guess. But the big takeaway is that Trump is not in the driver's seat here. He is at best an opportunist trying to take credit. Bibi is happy as a clam to let him.