October 8, 20241 yr Author 29 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said: Howie did it again! I'm reading that there were built in protections for the team in the event of his release.
October 8, 20241 yr Have a feeling he is gonna contribute somewhere else.. don’t know what happened probably butting heads with Fangina and his crappy defense.
October 8, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VeeMak said: Howie Roseman with the WHIIIFFF! Conversely, Howie hit a HR with Baun and White had no possibility of playing time
October 8, 20241 yr 37 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said: Have a feeling he is gonna contribute somewhere else.. don’t know what happened probably butting heads with Fangina and his crappy defense. I dont, he got bounced from a todd Bowles defense too because of his piss poor play and attitude.
October 9, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said: Conversely, Howie hit a HR with Baun and White had no possibility of playing time Except he couldve played over Dean, like he did on camp. This whole situation is just so weird White started all camp along side Baun then week 1 White gets " hurt" inactive for 3 weeks with Dean sucking in coverage and missing tackles( 5 in tampa) and then Howie releases White Just seems really stupid🤔
October 9, 20241 yr Author He was not a prized free agent. He signed for a relatively modest one year deal. Let's not make this out to be a Bryce Huff sort of a whiff
October 9, 20241 yr Sending a message. I like it. People need to be accountable or you lose your job.
October 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Utebird said: Except he couldve played over Dean, like he did on camp. This whole situation is just so weird White started all camp along side Baun then week 1 White gets " hurt" inactive for 3 weeks with Dean sucking in coverage and missing tackles( 5 in tampa) and then Howie releases White Just seems really stupid🤔 Dean has been good in coverage so far and tackling is usually his strength. PFF has him down for 4 missed tackles (in that game) and ProFootballReference has him down for 3. He didn't miss 5 in that game according to any source. Still, 4 missed tackles is a bad day of tackling. But since he has been so good at tackling in all the other games he's played, I'm going to call the bad tackling game the outlier. Dean's career missed tackle percentage before that game was a low 3.1%. After that game, his career missed tackle percentage went up to 7.2%. Compare that to CJGJ's career MT% which is 15.4% or Patrick Queen's career MT% (12.8%) or Fred Warner's career MT% (8.9%). Virtually every starting LB in the NFL has had a bad day like Dean had at some point. If it becomes a trend, I'll be concerned.
October 9, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, brkmsn said: Dean has been good in coverage so far and tackling is usually his strength. PFF has him down for 4 missed tackles (in that game) and ProFootballReference has him down for 3. He didn't miss 5 in that game according to any source. Still, 4 missed tackles is a bad day of tackling. But since he has been so good at tackling in all the other games he's played, I'm going to call the bad tackling game the outlier. Dean's career missed tackle percentage before that game was a low 3.1%. After that game, his career missed tackle percentage went up to 7.2%. Compare that to CJGJ's career MT% which is 15.4% or Patrick Queen's career MT% (12.8%) or Fred Warner's career MT% (8.9%). Virtually every starting LB in the NFL has had a bad day like Dean had at some point. If it becomes a trend, I'll be concerned. Coverage snaps can be deceiving, for instance the stats you provide show dean for zero tds given up yet against the bucs we all saw the ball go over his outstretched t rex arms for a td because not only is he short and not only can he not jump but he also didnt get enough depth on his zone, the td given up will go to the DB that was nearest Receiver but Dean was at fault as well I dont care what some dudes made up stats say I have eye balls, I can see he was bad on that play in coverage 4 receptions on 8 targets is every other target, 64 yards kn 4 catches is 16 yards a catch, that isnt good Hes a liability in coverage every one under the sun keeps saying it and for some reason some people keep saying accordng to some stat PFF made up hes not bad Im not buying it. Yeah hes usually good in the run game and as a tackler so maybe it was a one off but its still concerning
October 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Utebird said: Coverage snaps can be deceiving, for instance the stats you provide show dean for zero tds given up yet against the bucs we all saw the ball go over his outstretched t rex arms for a td because not only is he short and not only can he not jump but he also didnt get enough depth on his zone, the td given up will go to the DB that was nearest Receiver but Dean was at fault as well I dont care what some dudes made up stats say I have eye balls, I can see he was bad on that play in coverage 4 receptions on 8 targets is every other target, 64 yards kn 4 catches is 16 yards a catch, that isnt good Hes a liability in coverage every one under the sun keeps saying it and for some reason some people keep saying accordng to some stat PFF made up hes not bad Im not buying it. Yeah hes usually good in the run game and as a tackler so maybe it was a one off but its still concerning FYI, that tweet was between the 3rd and 4th game. I just haven't seen an updated that includes the Tampa game. Those aren't PFF stats either as PFF generally hasn't given Dean very high coverage grades this season: Week 1 ( 40.2 ) Week 2 ( 31.7 ) Week 3 ( 66.7 ) Week 4 ( 53.7 ) It's kind of funny when people assume every non-old-fashioned stat is a PFF concept and then proceed to bash PFF when PFF's actual grades support their argument. As for 4 receptions on 8 targets, 64 yards being "bad," that's a 77.1 passer rating. You think there's a lot of shut down LBs in the NFL? Here, take a look at Fred Warner, considered one of the top all around LBs: ▲ Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Tgt Cmp Cmp% Yds Yds/Cmp Yds/Tgt TD Rat DADOT Air YAC Bltz Hrry QBKD Sk Prss Comb MTkl MTkl% 2018 22 SFO MLB 48 16 16 0 75 45 60.0% 475 10.6 6.3 3 91.8 5.1 171 304 51 2 2 0.0 4 124 13 9.5% 2019 23 SFO MLB 54 16 16 1 74 49 66.2% 454 9.3 6.1 2 86.2 3.7 158 296 35 3 1 3.0 7 118 17 12.6% 2020*+ 24 SFO MLB 54 16 16 2 61 38 62.3% 270 7.1 4.4 2 69.7 4.2 80 190 76 9 6 1.0 16 125 7 5.3% 2021 25 SFO MLB 54 16 16 0 62 49 79.0% 428 8.7 6.9 3 111.6 3.1 135 293 28 1 2 0.5 4 137 11 7.4% 2022*+ 26 SFO MLB 54 17 17 1 68 41 60.3% 438 10.7 6.4 0 73.0 4.3 142 296 35 2 3 2.0 8 130 8 5.8% 2023*+ 27 SFO LB 54 17 17 4 76 56 73.7% 560 10.0 7.4 1 76.6 4.9 203 357 43 1 4 2.5 8 132 14 9.6% 2024 28 SFO LB 54 5 5 2 11 8 72.7% 47 5.9 4.3 1 71.2 3.9 23 24 8 0 0 1.0 1 39 2 4.9% Honestly, Dean is right where I expect him to be in coverage based on his NFL playing time. He's a young player who would have been farther along had he hot missed a majority of last season with the foot. He's getting the experience now that he missed then and he'll improve over time. But this whole idea of "shutdown LB" is unrealistic. Virtually anybody matched up 1v1 with a LB is considered a mismatch. What makes Warner better than most is his ability to occasionally come up with a big play. He had 4 INTs last year and already has 2 this season but they aren't always a result of great coverage, sometimes just great awareness:
October 9, 20241 yr Ultimately I think White has some real upside and a ton of potential but it seems his attitude is flawed. Tampa benched him last year and then let him walk in the offseason. He then didn’t cover himself in glory during his short time here and it seems wasn’t a very good team mate. But from what we’ve seen and heard I do think we mishandled him. He did nothing wrong in TC to make him a non factor on defense. And Dean is a flawed player who has been exposed in multiple games this year already. White should have been a factor in this defense. But that’s from what we have seen and heard rather than what we know has gone on so it’s hard to judge.
October 9, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, brkmsn said: Dean has been good in coverage so far and tackling is usually his strength. PFF has him down for 4 missed tackles (in that game) and ProFootballReference has him down for 3. He didn't miss 5 in that game according to any source. Still, 4 missed tackles is a bad day of tackling. But since he has been so good at tackling in all the other games he's played, I'm going to call the bad tackling game the outlier. Dean's career missed tackle percentage before that game was a low 3.1%. After that game, his career missed tackle percentage went up to 7.2%. Compare that to CJGJ's career MT% which is 15.4% or Patrick Queen's career MT% (12.8%) or Fred Warner's career MT% (8.9%). Virtually every starting LB in the NFL has had a bad day like Dean had at some point. If it becomes a trend, I'll be concerned. There was one place that did credit him with 5 He had an awful game and probably should have rode the pine with how bad he was playing. He was also pretty good in the games prior to this horrendous performance. Both can be true.
October 9, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, brkmsn said: FYI, that tweet was between the 3rd and 4th game. I just haven't seen an updated that includes the Tampa game. Those aren't PFF stats either as PFF generally hasn't given Dean very high coverage grades this season: Week 1 ( 40.2 ) Week 2 ( 31.7 ) Week 3 ( 66.7 ) Week 4 ( 53.7 ) It's kind of funny when people assume every non-old-fashioned stat is a PFF concept and then proceed to bash PFF when PFF's actual grades support their argument. As for 4 receptions on 8 targets, 64 yards being "bad," that's a 77.1 passer rating. You think there's a lot of shut down LBs in the NFL? Here, take a look at Fred Warner, considered one of the top all around LBs: ▲ Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Tgt Cmp Cmp% Yds Yds/Cmp Yds/Tgt TD Rat DADOT Air YAC Bltz Hrry QBKD Sk Prss Comb MTkl MTkl% 2018 22 SFO MLB 48 16 16 0 75 45 60.0% 475 10.6 6.3 3 91.8 5.1 171 304 51 2 2 0.0 4 124 13 9.5% 2019 23 SFO MLB 54 16 16 1 74 49 66.2% 454 9.3 6.1 2 86.2 3.7 158 296 35 3 1 3.0 7 118 17 12.6% 2020*+ 24 SFO MLB 54 16 16 2 61 38 62.3% 270 7.1 4.4 2 69.7 4.2 80 190 76 9 6 1.0 16 125 7 5.3% 2021 25 SFO MLB 54 16 16 0 62 49 79.0% 428 8.7 6.9 3 111.6 3.1 135 293 28 1 2 0.5 4 137 11 7.4% 2022*+ 26 SFO MLB 54 17 17 1 68 41 60.3% 438 10.7 6.4 0 73.0 4.3 142 296 35 2 3 2.0 8 130 8 5.8% 2023*+ 27 SFO LB 54 17 17 4 76 56 73.7% 560 10.0 7.4 1 76.6 4.9 203 357 43 1 4 2.5 8 132 14 9.6% 2024 28 SFO LB 54 5 5 2 11 8 72.7% 47 5.9 4.3 1 71.2 3.9 23 24 8 0 0 1.0 1 39 2 4.9% Honestly, Dean is right where I expect him to be in coverage based on his NFL playing time. He's a young player who would have been farther along had he hot missed a majority of last season with the foot. He's getting the experience now that he missed then and he'll improve over time. But this whole idea of "shutdown LB" is unrealistic. Virtually anybody matched up 1v1 with a LB is considered a mismatch. What makes Warner better than most is his ability to occasionally come up with a big play. He had 4 INTs last year and already has 2 this season but they aren't always a result of great coverage, sometimes just great awareness: Thats fair, I cant read any of those stats left my decoder ring in my Ovaltine😁 Having said that I dont see Dean getting much better in coverage, I think hes maxed out.
October 10, 20241 yr 19 hours ago, Utebird said: Thats fair, I cant read any of those stats left my decoder ring in my Ovaltine😁 Having said that I dont see Dean getting much better in coverage, I think hes maxed out. Dean is shot, can't jump and is slow. He is usually yards away from his man and even if he covers his man tight (rarely) a QB can just throw a ball over his head. He is what he is, which is a guy that can fill a hole when the DTs clog up the line. Just like they did for him at Georgia. Due to his lack of size he is rarely going to take on a guard and make a tackle.
October 10, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Eagles1960 said: Dean is shot, can't jump and is slow. He is usually yards away from his man and even if he covers his man tight (rarely) a QB can just throw a ball over his head. He is what he is, which is a guy that can fill a hole when the DTs clog up the line. Just like they did for him at Georgia. Due to his lack of size he is rarely going to take on a guard and make a tackle. He isn't really small compared to the other top LB'ers in the league. Dean is 5'11" and 231 lbs Warner is taller at 6'3" but lighter at 230 lbs Queen is 6'0" and 232 lbs, so basically no difference Roquan Smith is 6'1" and 230 lbs, so a couple inches taller. David is 6'1" ans 233 lbs Milano is 6'0" and lighter at 223 lbs Demario Davis is bigger and heavier at 6'2" and 248 lbs
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