Just now, TEW said:

It’s usually the providers themselves committing fraud, not patients. They’ll just charge for services that weren’t performed, or double charge the same service. Waaaaaay more money in it for the provider than patient.

You mean like charging $25 for a box of tissues?

Just now, Kz! said:

It is pretty wild how gleeful libtards are over this shooting. Wild, but not surprising. 

Like I said, not cheering it. Just not sorry. You know you've been there (I've seen it).

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yes because that's so quick and easy to do, especially when you're undergoing financial stress due to a medical condition. 

They want us all to mourn the guy who helped contribute to the pain and suffering of millions. If you don't, you are a bad person. Those are the rules.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yes because that's so quick and easy to do, especially when you're undergoing financial stress due to a medical condition. 

Oh no, life is hard. Boohoo. So let's just go shoot a guy with a family.

Grow up Sally.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Oh no, life is hard. Boohoo. So let's just go shoot a guy with a family.

Grow up Sally.

He should grow up like that baby and pay his own damn medical bills!

Just now, Paul852 said:

You mean like charging $25 for a box of tissues?

No, that’s all above board.

I mean like a dentist not administering anesthesia to children and pulling teeth unnecessarily… or charging for surgery that never occurred.

This is relatively common because it can be scaled up across all of your patients/services.

For an individual, not only do you need a provider in on it, but you can only do it once, or at best, a few times a year if you are pretending to have some chronic condition.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

No, that’s all above board.

I mean like a dentist not administering anesthesia to children and pulling teeth unnecessarily… or charging for surgery that never occurred.

This is relatively common because it can be scaled up across all of your patients/services.

For an individual, not only do you need a provider in on it, but you can only do it once, or at best, a few times a year if you are pretending to have some chronic condition.

It's almost as if they entire industry needs an overhaul.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Oh no, life is hard. Boohoo. So let's just go shoot a guy with a family.

Grow up Sally.

Dude stop. Insurance companies are absolutely trash some times and United is one of the worst. The vast majority of Americans have very limited choices in their insurer options so to act like they're just making ignorant decisions and choosing poorly is beyond naive. Almost as naive as saying "if there's a problem just sue the multi-billion dollar corporation and it'll all be fixed NBD" but not quite. 

Constantly taking advantage of desperate people makes people act desperately.  Breaking news at 11. 

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This is such utter horse-ish. Insurance is a contract that a person buys and signs up for. If the insurance company doesn't honor the contract, then sue them and win. But crying because the contract you signed up for doesn't cover the care you need -- then do more diligence on the front end. 

Companies exist to maximize profits. Consumers being lazy and stupid helps them make more money, but it's not their job to protect people from their own stupidity.

Ok, first off, insurance plans are contracts of adhesion.

Secondly, most people are locked into certain group plans so they can’t exactly shop around. It’s not the easy. Group plans with a physician haven’t trickled down to the masses yet.

Also, maximizing profits means reduced expenses. You’d think companies would, you know, go for efficiency to achieve this, but they don’t because it’s actually hard work. So products and services get cut right off because it’s easier to do that and people (this includes management and executives) are lazy and/or incompetent just like everyone else, just on a higher level. So when products and services get cut, it’s the consumer who pays. And you’re wondering why they’re getting upset.

You’re promoting gilded age business practices, but you’re decrying a gilded age populist response. I’m not sure why you’re surprised.

The answer is more nuanced than "don’t be poor”. It’s like telling Ukraine "don’t get invaded”.

20 minutes ago, paco said:

Don't you guys do that to sloth at least once a month?

it's called community service. 

9 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

It's almost as if they entire industry needs an overhaul.

No, it’s as if people are fallible. It doesn’t matter what "system” you have, there will be scumbags in a system which services 350 million people.

As it is, the system we have provides the highest quality of healthcare in the world. Isn’t perfect? No. But it’s better than the rest of the world.

21 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

You mean like charging $25 for a box of tissues?

I sprained my ankle several years back playing indoor soccer and when I went to the ortho they gave me one of those simple velcro ankle braces to wear - you can get them at the pharmacy for like 20-30 bucks.  They billed the insurance company $300 for it  and of course I had to pay a portion of that then as well.

1 hour ago, The_Omega said:

Insurance companies suck, everyone knows that, but that heinous announcement about what they’re no longer going to cover is directly related to all of the ridiculous things that the government mandate they cover. We’re never going to get insurance reform without first getting government reform.

like abortions for transgender immigrants!!!      

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

No, it’s as if people are fallible. It doesn’t matter what "system” you have, there will be scumbags in a system which services 350 million people.

As it is, the system we have provides the highest quality of healthcare in the world. Isn’t perfect? No. But it’s better than the rest of the world.

That depends very much on what you mean. For R&D? Probably close to.  For out of pocket care if you have true "F you money". Yup. For the health/longevity of the vast majority of its citizens?  Nope. Not even close. 

5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I sprained my ankle several years back playing indoor soccer

It's like I don't even know you anymore. 😞

18 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

it's called community service. 

I thought this place felt like a punishment

11 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I sprained my ankle several years back playing indoor soccer 

Yikes, that probably kept you from rollerblading as well.

4 minutes ago, Kz! said:

It's like I don't even know you anymore. 😞

I figured someone would comment  All good - my HS the football team was AWFUL - everyone played soccer

11 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I sprained my ankle several years back playing indoor soccer and when I went to the ortho they gave me one of those simple velcro ankle braces to wear - you can get them at the pharmacy for like 20-30 bucks.  They billed the insurance company $300 for it  and of course I had to pay a portion of that then as well.

I've had two kids. I have seen the ridiculous prices they charge. It's absurd. Then it's "negotiated" between the insurance company and hospital.

Just now, paco said:

Yikes, that probably kept you from rollerblading as well.

The rollerblades are stiff enough around the ankle I could still get that in!

1 minute ago, mikemack8 said:

I figured someone would comment  All good - my HS the football team was AWFUL - everyone played soccer

You know what.... nope.  Too mean.  I'm walking away from this one.

Just now, mikemack8 said:

The rollerblades are stiff enough around the ankle I could still get that in!

Well, I guess it's obvious now which one of us has actually rollerbladed  

Just now, paco said:

You know what.... nope.  Too mean.  I'm walking away from this one.

Better solution -- get rid of all medical insurance and just let the poors die. 

Just now, mikemack8 said:

I mean, if the school is populated full of rollerblading wannabe Eurotrash, of course the football team is going to suck.