7 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

If you say so, I just saw a lot of him getting stuffed close to the LOS

Commanders adjusted after the big run. He was constantly hit in the backfield afterwards. The loss of Jalen hurt the run game.

5 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

If you say so, I just saw a lot of him getting stuffed close to the LOS

Pickett played in the 1st Quarter too and Barkley had some big runs while he was in. The defense, however, adjusted when it became clear Hurts was out and the Eagles didn't adjust to counter that. The decision affected Barkley's effectiveness. It's fair to say that in this system, without Hurts, Barkley is less effective. But I think we could have made adjustments that would have benefitted the run game, at the expense of the pass. 

Say what you want but, it’s not a coincidence that Swift, Sanders, and even Barkley have all had their best seasons while playing with Jalen Hurts. 

18 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I gave you the examples you asked for. You then moved goalposts to say you meant specifically on the board. I have no idea what you're talking about backtracking but nice deflection

 

Barkley still had good runs with Pickett at QB

There was no moving of the goalposts. You interpreted the comment in a way that suited you. Even then the examples you gave were responding to toxic criticism.

But regardless by your argument you are conceding that the Hurts supporters on this board are reasonable, but because some people elsewhere aren’t as balanced, it’s okay for the Hurts haters to act like idiots. 

Barkley has this season been much stronger in the second half. He was bottled up pretty much all second half because the Commanders didn’t have to worry about Hurts on the ground or in the air.
 

16 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

He was bottled up pretty much all second half because the Commanders didn’t have to worry about Hurts on the ground or in the air.
 

 

Maybe the coaches could have tried a screen play or something less obvious than a hand-off, especially after Barkley was stuffed the first four of five times.
They were obviously thinking that at least they were burning the clock but the way the Commanders were playing it was way too early in the third to start
giving up points just to burn clock.

As for Hurts, he has a ton of talent but when you hire a running QB you own the risk. Injuries are inevitablle. It's magical thinking to imagine your running QB will never get injured.
Now we have to hope that when he does return he's still the best version of himself, not damaged goods like RG3 or Wentz who never got their mojo back.

 

21 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

There was no moving of the goalposts. You interpreted the comment in a way that suited you. Even then the examples you gave were responding to toxic criticism.

But regardless by your argument you are conceding that the Hurts supporters on this board are reasonable, but because some people elsewhere aren’t as balanced, it’s okay for the Hurts haters to act like idiots. 

Barkley has this season been much stronger in the second half. He was bottled up pretty much all second half because the Commanders didn’t have to worry about Hurts on the ground or in the air.
 

Literally was. I said it was inaccurate that Hurts huggers won't let people criticize Hurts. You asked for proof. I literally gave you proof. You then claim you meant on the board but never said that. It's on page 4 for you to go back and look

The examples I gave were not responding to toxic criticism. That's something you hilariously just made up to try and help your nonexistent point

I'm not conceding anything but your head is stuck in the sand thinking you have made some point after being proven wrong. It's like talking to a wall

3 minutes ago, eaglegenius said:

 

Maybe the coaches could have tried a screen play or something less obvious than a hand-off, especially after Barkley was stuffed the first four of five times.
They were obviously thinking that at least they were burning the clock but the way the Commanders were playing it was way too early in the third to start
giving up points just to burn clock.

As for Hurts, he has a ton of talent but when you hire a running QB you own the risk. Injuries are inevitablle. It's magical thinking to imagine your running QB will never get injured.
Now we have to hope that when he does return he's still the best version of himself, not damaged goods like RG3 or Wentz who never got their mojo back.

 

Agreed on screens.

But come on - Hurts has been pretty healthy and generally runs to avoid contact. Both Lamar and Josh Allen instigate far more contact. 

Let’s just hope we get Hurts back soon.
 

7 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Agreed on screens.

But come on - Hurts has been pretty healthy and generally runs to avoid contact. Both Lamar and Josh Allen instigate far more contact. 

Let’s just hope we get Hurts back soon.
 

The whole way it played out was weird.

On the one hand he seemed determined to come back in so that suggested he felt fine? And so maybe it’s a mild concussion and he comes back next week.

But then he said he was okay and the official wasn’t having it. He goes in to the tent and comes out quickly ready to go and again they aren’t having it. So he goes to the locker room and that’s where he stays.

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Literally was. I said it was inaccurate that Hurts huggers won't let people criticize Hurts. You asked for proof. I literally gave you proof. You then claim you meant on the board but never said that. It's on page 4 for you to go back and look

The examples I gave were not responding to toxic criticism. That's something you hilariously just made up to try and help your nonexistent point

I'm not conceding anything but your head is stuck in the sand thinking you have made some point after being proven wrong. It's like talking to a wall

Classic gaslighting Mike. You’ve not addressed my actual points but rather focused on your agenda. 
I would have thought you might have some humility after you swearing that Hurts was terrible for a year and not accepting any counter argument. But apparently not. 

For all of those people who blamed Jalen for Dotson not looking good where was he today? I mean Jalen wasn’t in there so he should have shined right? After all it was Jalen’s fault he sucked right? 

4 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

lol - I was talking about this board, where you Mike finally had to backtrack a couple of years ago where you had spent a year proclaiming how terrible he was. 
 

Hurts has his faults for sure, but when he has been out over the last few years the Eagles are a much less scary proposition. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Barkley did nothing in the second half after Hurts left?

 

 

I think perhaps you might be replying to the wrong poster. I've never spent a year "proclaiming how bad he was". I have said in the past that I'm not enamored of Hurts' style of quarterback play but that's my personal preference. If the Eagles like it and the contract extension says they do then more power to them.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Pickett played in the 1st Quarter too and Barkley had some big runs while he was in. The defense, however, adjusted when it became clear Hurts was out and the Eagles didn't adjust to counter that. The decision affected Barkley's effectiveness. It's fair to say that in this system, without Hurts, Barkley is less effective. But I think we could have made adjustments that would have benefitted the run game, at the expense of the pass. 

Your right. They really didn't counter and give Kenny some screens, slants or roll outs to help the passing game get in the rythem.

12 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

 

 

I think perhaps you might be replying to the wrong poster. I've never spent a year "proclaiming how bad he was". I have said in the past that I'm not enamored of Hurts' style of quarterback play but that's my personal preference. If the Eagles like it and the contract extension says they do then more power to them.

Personally I like the wins and winning is what this quarterback does better than all of his predecessors especially in the regular season. 

12 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Personally I like the wins and winning is what this quarterback does better than all of his predecessors especially in the regular season. 

Oh I like that as well. How many of his predecessors had the offensive roster that Jalen has? None that I can think of. There were some VERY good defensive squads under Buddy Ryan and Bud Carson but offensive squads? Not so much. I wonder how Jalen would fare if he were starting  for the Raiders or Jaguars today. Probably better than who's there now but not as well as he's doing with the Eagles with his Eagles supporting cast.

10 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Oh I like that as well. How many of his predecessors had the offensive roster that Jalen has? None that I can think of. There were some VERY good defensive squads under Buddy Ryan and Bud Carson but offensive squads? Not so much. I wonder how Jalen would fare if he were starting  for the Raiders or Jaguars today. Probably better than who's there now but not as well as he's doing with the Eagles with his Eagles supporting cast.

The thing is Jalen has missed a few games at quarterback for the Eagles with all of these weapons. How have those backups faired? For as much as people praise all of the wins of Sirianni, his record without Jalen is a losing record. 

We can't win without Hurts. Simple as that.

Hope he is back soon.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

The thing is Jalen has missed a few games at quarterback for the Eagles with all of these weapons. How have those backups faired? For as much as people praise all of the wins of Sirianni, his record without Jalen is a losing record. 

1) How many games has Sirianni coached where Jalen wasn't the starting Q.B? And no I don't care enough to research it but I imagine not many. So a pretty small sample.

2) How much practice time with the starters do the backups get, either during camp or during the season compared to the starting Q.B? Of course the backup isn't going to perform as well with 'strangers'. I remember Riley Cooper playing pretty well with Foles and I think one of the reasons is that backup Foles was practicing with backup Cooper so they had some chemistry.

10 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

1) How many games has Sirianni coached where Jalen wasn't the starting Q.B? And no I don't care enough to research it but I imagine not many. So a pretty small sample.

2) How much practice time with the starters do the backups get, either during camp or during the season compared to the starting Q.B? Of course the backup isn't going to perform as well with 'strangers'. I remember Riley Cooper playing pretty well with Foles and I think one of the reasons is that backup Foles was practicing with backup Cooper so they had some chemistry.

Well you have three guys basically for the Eagles. Minshew, Pickett, and Mariota. Two of those guys are first round picks and all were starters in the league. No need to look it up. Sirianni has a losing record with these guys. Also let’s keep it real. Jalen’s the only quarterback in Eagles history to win 14 games in one season. The only quarterback who has the longest win streak in Eagles history. One of four quarterbacks in franchise history to start in a Super Bowl. If you really want another quarterback then you’re gonna need to get rid of Jalen, replace him with a tomato can, and hope that guy that  they draft can win better than he does, because as long as Jalen is healthy and starting for the Eagles they will win a lot of games. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

For all of those people who blamed Jalen for Dotson not looking good where was he today? I mean Jalen wasn’t in there so he should have shined right? After all it was Jalen’s fault he sucked right? 

I mean KP isn't a good measuring stick. But yeah,  Jalen is the best QB on the team. Honestly, KP shouldn't be 2nd string. That should be the last time we see him play outside of a major disaster. 

On 12/20/2024 at 5:56 PM, Mike030270 said:

Seems more like moving goalposts after I showed you the proof you asked for

Mike, you're going on and on about social media outside this board. First of all, unless specifically said, people here are usually referring to fan discussion on the EMB.

Second, go back and look at what he was responding to... "posters on this board" and "people on here."

 

On 12/15/2024 at 9:02 PM, ManchesterEagle said:

 

The sad thing is - there are a number of posters on this board who seem to hate Hurts more than they love the Eagles. 

Does he deserve criticism at times? Absolutely. But some on this board act like he is Daniel Jones and ignore what he has done. He just shredded one of the best defenders in the league.
 

 

On 12/16/2024 at 2:18 AM, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, many of us hate him. I hated Simmons but didn't root against him or the 76ers.

People on here want to say you can't criticize or dislike him and still love the team or if he does well in a game we'll be pissed. It's BS.

 

20 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I mean KP isn't a good measuring stick. But yeah,  Jalen is the best QB on the team. Honestly, KP shouldn't be 2nd string. That should be the last time we see him play outside of a major disaster. 

I don’t think McKee is as ready as people seem to think he is. Not sure what other options they have outside of Pickett.

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think McKee is as ready as people seem to think he is. Not sure what other options they have outside of Pickett.

He isn't we agree, but KP is bad. Jones would have won today. I wanted him when he was on the street. 

Can we all agree now that Hurts is important for the team's success? After seeing what little Pickett did with the turnovers the defense gave him, what was it 6 points scored by the offense off all those turnovers?  Not to mention the fact that outside of the one break away by Barkley he was shut down pretty effectively by a bad run defense specifically because of Hurts not being there to keep the defense honest.  A game like this really shines a flashlight on his importance to the team. 

 

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Say what you want but, it’s not a coincidence that Swift, Sanders, and even Barkley have all had their best seasons while playing with Jalen Hurts. 

It's also because the Eagles have one of the best offensive lines in football, but Hurts does play a huge part in not allowing the defense to key on the RB preventing a lot of those negative runs. 

7 minutes ago, Mat said:

It's also because the Eagles have one of the best offensive lines in football, but Hurts does play a huge part in not allowing the defense to key on the RB preventing a lot of those negative runs. 

Well Sanders played with that line even before he and Hurts played together too though.