Panama Canal

[Dave Moss]

Trump wants to take back the Panama Canal

[20dawk4life]

Isn’t Nicaragua building a canal of their own?

[Procus]

We need more nuanced choices - something like there was no good reason to give it away in the first place

[Dave Moss]

Just now, Procus said:

We need more nuanced choices - something like there was no good reason to give it away in the first place

You mean besides the fact that it’s in another country

[DrPhilly]

9 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Trump wants to take back the Panama Canal

...and wants to take Greenland

[20dawk4life]

9 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

...and wants to take Greenland

And Canada…..

[Paul852]

Ah, here's the Trump presidency I remember. Like a warm hug of stupidity. 

[Alpha_TATEr]

he's back !!!!!!

 

[Arthur Jackson]

Before I answer is this some sort of euphemism, like Hershey Highway, or Robert Frost's Road Less Traveled?

it feels like a trap.

[mayanh8]

14 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

You mean besides the fact that it’s in another country

That's what eminent domain laws are for!

[Procus]

15 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

You mean besides the fact that it’s in another country

You really are a very simple minded person

[Alpha_TATEr]

20 hours ago, Procus said:

You really are a very simple minded person

goat recognizing goat here folks. 

[Alpha_TATEr]

On 12/22/2024 at 9:22 PM, Dave Moss said:

You mean besides the fact that it’s in another country

 

20 hours ago, Procus said:

You really are a very simple minded person

goat recognizing another goat here, folks. 

[Dave Moss]

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

 

goat recognizing another goat here, folks. 

You and Procus are two peas in a pod

[Procus]

So Dave, all kidding aside, I think the matter is a bit complicated than what you narrowed it down to.  From a national and world security perspective, the canal is a vital asset to security of the world.  It is key that the canal not fall into the wrong hands.  This supersedes any other claims. 

The U.S. is partly to blame.  I think the canal treaty was a mistake, a big one.  But we also abandoned in large part our connection to the canal, and haven't participated in the upkeep of the infrastructure.  If the U.S. doesn't step up to the plate, China is waiting in the wings.

From where I'm sitting, Trump's bravado is a negotiating ploy to push out Chinese influence over the canal and canal zone.  But his administration also needs to step up to the plate to help upkeep and modernize the canal and canal zone.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

 

[TEW]

On 12/22/2024 at 9:22 PM, Dave Moss said:

You mean besides the fact that it’s in another country

Sovereignty only exists if you are willing and able to enforce it.

[Bill]

 

[Procus]

Jimmy Carter's foreign policy was very much aligned with Dave's

[Dave Moss]

9 hours ago, Procus said:

Jimmy Carter's foreign policy was very much aligned with Dave's

After Kissinger?  Yeah, no kidding.  Carter ended detente with the Soviet Union, but that’s because the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.  I don’t agree with his decision to boycott the Olympics though.  
 

Panama had a lot of protests against the U.S. operating the canal in the 60s and 70s.  I like how you conveniently leave that part out.

[Alpha_TATEr]

On 12/24/2024 at 2:01 PM, Procus said:

From where I'm sitting

[Arthur Jackson]

On 12/30/2024 at 8:13 AM, Dave Moss said:

I don’t agree with his decision to boycott the Olympics though.