1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Unless you can get a good pick for Pickett?

A good pick? Whats he worth? 

9 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Do you think a backup line and back rbs had something to do with the ratio? Not even arguing with you , just curious. I figured kelly wanted to see his offense ran the way he has it in his head vs what we've done this year (nothing wrong with it considering the win-loss record) 

You asked me a question I already answered in the post you quoted. Obviously the backup O-line was inferior at run blocking. However, Hurts alone accounts for 42 rushing yards per game this season and that includes the tush pushes and the victory formation snaps that bring his average down. On top of that, you saw what the commanders did to Barkley when it was clear Hurts wasn't coming back in the game and that happened with our starters in. Then you can just do the math --- if we are throwing 40+ passes a game compared to 20-25, you don't think that's cutting into Barkley's carries per game? 

So I stand by my point. We can pass for more (passing) yards per game, but it will be at the expense of the rushing yards. While I don't think we necessarily have to have a 57/43 run/pass ratio, I don't want to go back to the Andy Reid era where it was over 60% pass again. 

I disagree with you about Moore. When Hurts is in, what we do is his offense. Against the giants Sunday, we just did what we had to to move the ball with the guys that were playing. 

When it comes to evaluating McKee, I agree with the people that are reminded of Foles. He has some very good qualities as a QB and has made the most of every opportunity to date. I just want to remind people to temper back on the expectations for his future (at this time). There's a long list of QBs that have looked like the real deal when there's a minimal amount of game film for opponents to study. We had Hoying Mania for a reason and even after that flopped Koy Detmer did enough to convince half the fan base that we needed Ricky Williams instead of a QB in the '99 draft. A few years later, AJ Feely convinced the dolphins to cough up a 2nd round pick. Jason Garrett and Cooper Rush had similar success in their early starts when their numbers were called.

8 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

A good pick? Whats he worth? 

Sorry I meant McKee not Pickett…

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You asked me a question I already answered in the post you quoted. Obviously the backup O-line was inferior at run blocking. However, Hurts alone accounts for 42 rushing yards per game this season and that includes the tush pushes and the victory formation snaps that bring his average down. On top of that, you saw what the commanders did to Barkley when it was clear Hurts wasn't coming back in the game and that happened with our starters in. Then you can just do the math --- if we are throwing 40+ passes a game compared to 20-25, you don't think that's cutting into Barkley's carries per game? 

So I stand by my point. We can pass for more (passing) yards per game, but it will be at the expense of the rushing yards. While I don't think we necessarily have to have a 57/43 run/pass ratio, I don't want to go back to the Andy Reid era where it was over 60% pass again. 

I disagree with you about Moore. When Hurts is in, what we do is his offense. Against the giants Sunday, we just did what we had to to move the ball with the guys that were playing. 

When it comes to evaluating McKee, I agree with the people that are reminded of Foles. He has some very good qualities as a QB and has made the most of every opportunity to date. I just want to remind people to temper back on the expectations for his future (at this time). There's a long list of QBs that have looked like the real deal when there's a minimal amount of game film for opponents to study. We had Hoying Mania for a reason and even after that flopped Koy Detmer did enough to convince half the fan base that we needed Ricky Williams instead of a QB in the '99 draft. A few years later, AJ Feely convinced the dolphins to cough up a 2nd round pick. Jason Garrett and Cooper Rush had similar success in their early starts when their numbers were called.

And that bottling up of Barkley led to 2 td passes from tanner, but Barkley still had gotten a crap ton of rushing yards that game. Jalen being 42 rushing yards a game had led to missing 2.5 games this year and games in 22.  I think kellens passing offense isn't used to its potential because jalen lacks in that department,  but Jalen makes up for it with his legs. I'm just stating that maybe we seen more of what kellen envisioned when he got here vs what he has had to do. When it was trying to be a passing offense, Jalen had a big turnover problem. Also, in no way shape or form am I suggesting replacing jalen with tanner. This is jalens team until it isnt. 

13 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Dotson looking like a first round pick again was an eye opener.  He looked as good as he’s looked since his Penn State days.  
 

I’m sure Hurts took notice and hopefully begins to trust him more going forward. 

I don't know that Dotson doesn't get the ball because Hurts doesn't trust him.  I just think Hurts rarely gets through his progressions far enough to wherever he is in the order to get him the ball.  It's a shame really ... having another legit weapon that defenses must account for could add that much more to our offensive attack.      

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

And that bottling up of Barkley led to 2 td passes from tanner, but Barkley still had gotten a crap ton of rushing yards that game. Jalen being 42 rushing yards a game had led to missing 2.5 games this year and games in 22.  I think kellens passing offense isn't used to its potential because jalen lacks in that department,  but Jalen makes up for it with his legs. I'm just stating that maybe we seen more of what kellen envisioned when he got here vs what he has had to do. When it was trying to be a passing offense, Jalen had a big turnover problem. Also, in no way shape or form am I suggesting replacing jalen with tanner. This is jalens team until it isnt. 

 

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

And that bottling up of Barkley led to 2 td passes from tanner, 

You're either confusing two games or two names. Tanner didn't play vs the commanders. 

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

 Jalen being 42 rushing yards a game had led to missing 2.5 games this year and games in 22. 

lol. I'm glad you're always here to constantly remind me that QBs never get hurt in the pocket and clearly they never get concussed there either. 

 

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

You're either confusing two games or two names. Tanner didn't play vs the commanders. 

lol. I'm glad you're always here to constantly remind me that QBs never get hurt in the pocket and clearly they never get concussed there either. 

 

Tanner and Pickett split cowboys game. 3 passing tds, Barkley got 167 yards....

 

Yes pocket qbs get hurt... hurts injuries have nothing to do with them. Way to avoid his injury problem better than he does

6 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Tanner and Pickett split cowboys game. 3 passing tds, Barkley got 167 yards....

 

Yes pocket qbs get hurt... hurts injuries have nothing to do with them. Way to avoid his injury problem better than he does

Hurts doesn't have an "Injury problem." Burrow does. Tua does. Every injury Hurts has had has been minor which is better than normal for someone that has played 4353 NFL snaps and touched the ball on each one. Hurts was able to play through the shoulder injury (grade 1 sprain), but was rested for two games following because we only needed to win 1 of our final 3 games for the #1 seed. He missed one game with the ankle sprain, but said he could have played if it was a critical game at the time. He missed half a game with the finger he dislocated (he came back in) because the Eagles made an executive decision to remove their starters. This concussion has been his most serious injury and that's basically because of protocol. Those can happen to any player at any time and while this one happened at the end of the run, it could have just as easily happened on a play like this:

 

On 1/7/2025 at 7:03 AM, time2rock said:

I don't know that Dotson doesn't get the ball because Hurts doesn't trust him.  I just think Hurts rarely gets through his progressions far enough to wherever he is in the order to get him the ball.  It's a shame really ... having another legit weapon that defenses must account for could add that much more to our offensive attack.      

I like Hurts, but unless he has a ton of time in the pocket or is on the run, I don't think he ever gets to his third read much less fourth, which is what Dotson's been all season minus a few games when Brown or Smith were out. 

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

I like Hurts, but unless he has a ton of time in the pocket or is on the run, I don't think he ever gets to his third read much less fourth, which is what Dotson's been all season minus a few games when Brown or Smith were out. 

If Hurts needs to get to his 3rd read often, then that means AJ and Smitty aren't worth a damn.   Dotson isn't going to get a lot of targets because he's got way more talented people ahead of him.   I don't think you fans realize just how idiotic what you're asking for is. It's like asking why Shipley doesn't get as many touches as Barkley.

Just now, MF POON said:

If Hurts needs to get to his 3rd read often, then that means AJ and Smitty aren't worth a damn.   Dotson isn't going to get a lot of targets because he's got way more talented people ahead of him.   I don't think you fans realize just how idiotic what you're asking for is. It's like asking why Shipley doesn't get as many touches as Barkley.

In reality, teams gameplan to take away outside receivers literally all the time, and we've seen our offense struggle when Jalen forces the ball to Smith or Brown. It's imperative QBs have the ability to scan the field and find other options at the NFL level.

So no, it's not idiotic to want our QB to be able to get to his third or fourth read if necessary, and it's not in any way similar to wanting a third string RB to get as many touches as a starter.  

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

I like Hurts, but unless he has a ton of time in the pocket or is on the run, I don't think he ever gets to his third read much less fourth, which is what Dotson's been all season minus a few games when Brown or Smith were out. 

Even when Brown and/or Smith were out Dotson really didn't get many looks.  

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

In reality, teams gameplan to take away outside receivers literally all the time, and we've seen our offense struggle when Jalen forces the ball to Smith or Brown. It's imperative QBs have the ability to scan the field and find other options at the NFL level.

So no, it's not idiotic to want our QB to be able to get to his third or fourth read if necessary, and it's not in any way similar to wanting a third string RB to get as many touches as a starter.  

I forgot I'm on the eagles forums, let me go back to ignoring idiotic takes.

20 hours ago, MF POON said:

I forgot I'm on the eagles forums, let me go back to ignoring idiotic takes.

My belief that NFL QBs need to sometimes throw to the third receiver when the first two are covered is one of my more radical opinions, I know.  

On 1/6/2025 at 9:25 AM, Shalodeep said:

Kellen Moore auto corrected

Thanks for that clarification.

My personal opinion is that Moore came here with the belief that Hurts and the rest of the Offensive unit players could successfully execute the scheme he had implemented in Dallas, which Dak and his Cowboys teammate could not successfully implement. What he found was that that scheme has a higher risk "rating” that impacts all the players who attempt to use it. It will be interesting to see what happens in New Orleans this season.

The Eagles players also found the scheme to be high risk, as well as not playing to (capitalizing on) the strengths of the players.

On 1/8/2025 at 7:37 AM, time2rock said:

Even when Brown and/or Smith were out Dotson really didn't get many looks.  

After a year in the system and familiarity with Hurts.....I wonder if this season Dotson will step up. ?

Trade Dotson and McKee for whatever you can get!!

Trade Aaron McKee too.