21 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I know this isn't the forum to debate matters such as DEI programs --- so I'll try to keep my opinion very general. Is the Rooney rule really changing anything or are teams going to hire the coaches they are targeting regardless of interviewing 1 or two more candidates to satisfy the NFL? There's no doubt I think many assistant coaches are overrated and get promoted to positions they are not prepared for (see the Peter principle). But I don't for a minute think teams are trying to fail as organizations. They should be free to hire the candidates solely on merit and succeed or fail at their own peril. It has to be a bit insulting to the coaches that are always candidates for an opening, but never a serious contender. On the other hand, they may feel like, "wow, all these teams are interested..." and believe they've arrived and stop working as hard for that next promotion. It's also possible that a Rooney Rule candidate could blow a team away with a great interview and get that next job. If the latter is the case and teams aren't already requesting interviews with that person, that team is poorly run and hasn't done it's homework --- and they deserve to fail. 

I don't know for sure if any of this is the reason Koger declined. I think most of us believe the deck is stacked against whomever gets that position. I didn't believe Moore was "HC ready" just yet and that situation screams, "Scape Goat!" down the road. The very 1st scape goat will be the OC.

When between 55 and 70% of your players are minority ethnic over a decade or more, but less than a 3rd of your head coaches (at a historically high point) are, you have an issue and pretending it's a meritocracy and the those white guys are just more qualified is denialism.

It's fundamental revisionism to pretend that DEI programmes are unnecessary that's predicated on a jerry rigged presentation of what they do,  if your hiring policy was genuinely a meritocracy then your workforce should reflect the demographics of the selection pool naturally, it's that simple.

19 hours ago, Macho Grande said:

 

I think they're going to go with Brandon Staley as DC..hate to lose Parker.

45 minutes ago, Breeze 44 said:

I think they're going to go with Brandon Staley as DC..hate to lose Parker.

You’d think and hope that Moore wants a bit of experience on his defensive staff as he’s a rookie HC. 

Posting this here.

Thought this article was interesting. Talks about rising QB coaches but also mentions rising assistant QB coaches which could come into play 

https://atozsports.com/nfl/ten-rising-nfl-quarterback-coaches-know-nfl-coaching-cycle-heats-up-josh-mccown-davis-webb-jerrod-johnson/

 

I figured Parker was gone. Was hoping he'd get more time with Q and Cooper

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I figured Parker was gone. Was hoping he'd get more time with Q and Cooper

Staley is still the front runner there so we'll see.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Staley is still the front runner there so we'll see.

That's a huge win if we can keep him

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

When between 55 and 70% of your players are minority ethnic over a decade or more, but less than a 3rd of your head coaches (at a historically high point) are, you have an issue and pretending it's a meritocracy and the those white guys are just more qualified is denialism.

It's fundamental revisionism to pretend that DEI programmes are unnecessary that's predicated on a jerry rigged presentation of what they do,  if your hiring policy was genuinely a meritocracy then your workforce should reflect the demographics of the selection pool naturally, it's that simple.

That's based off an assumption that every player wants to coach football when they are done ... and that itself is a fallacy. All you have to do when looking at the history of NFL coaches is see that the ones that have risen up the ranks in many cases were the guys whose playing careers never advanced to a successful level at the highest level. They're usually already coaching at some level in their early/mid 20s and by the time a good player retires from playing, he may be 7-10 years behind (if not more) in coaching experience to those that weren't able to advance their professional playing career and wanted to enter coaching. 

Give me some hard data on the number of coaching applicants and hires at each level of football and how it corresponds to ethnicity and previous coaching experience and compare the results with DEI initiative "goals" and how that relates to pure statistical demographics. Then we can see if there's an unfair hiring practice in effect or one that can be easily explained.

But you can't flatly say the coaching ethnicity should mirror the player ethnicity or something isn't right. Little kids just don't aspire to be coaches when they grow up. They idolize famous athletes, not head coaches or assistant coaches. There aren't a lot of coaching scholarships paying college tuition. 

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

That's based off an assumption that every player wants to coach football when they are done ... and that itself is a fallacy. All you have to do when looking at the history of NFL coaches is see that the ones that have risen up the ranks in many cases were the guys whose playing careers never advanced to a successful level at the highest level. They're usually already coaching at some level in their early/mid 20s and by the time a good player retires from playing, he may be 7-10 years behind (if not more) in coaching experience to those that weren't able to advance their professional playing career and wanted to enter coaching. 

Give me some hard data on the number of coaching applicants and hires at each level of football and how it corresponds to ethnicity and previous coaching experience and compare the results with DEI initiative "goals" and how that relates to pure statistical demographics. Then we can see if there's an unfair hiring practice in effect or one that can be easily explained.

But you can't flatly say the coaching ethnicity should mirror the player ethnicity or something isn't right. Little kids just don't aspire to be coaches when they grow up. They idolize famous athletes, not head coaches or assistant coaches. There aren't a lot of coaching scholarships paying college tuition. 

So I'm basing my point on "a fallacy", but you're suggesting that there's more white coaches because and I paraphrase 'more white players fail and want to become coaches' in all sincerity and seriousness?

2 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

So I'm basing my point on "a fallacy", but you're suggesting that there's more white coaches because and I paraphrase 'more white players fail and want to become coaches' in all sincerity and seriousness?

Why do less white guys succeed in rap music? Is it because they are white or because less white guys aspire to be great in that industry?

why don't teams put non-solicitation agreements in place so when a coach leaves he can't take other coaches with him? 

3 minutes ago, JohnB said:

why don't teams put non-solicitation agreements in place so when a coach leaves he can't take other coaches with him? 

NFL doesn't allow it.  You can block non-promotions but not promotions and there is language around responsibility to try to keep it honest.

Said in the other thread if they bring in an outside OC maybe Patullo gets QB coach job.  He's done that before

6 minutes ago, time2rock said:

He should give Barkley a gift basket if he gets the job

Reports are TJ Paganetti joining Moore's staff.

 

Really hope we hear about some non-Patullo Eagles interviews today

56 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Reports are TJ Paganetti joining Moore's staff.

Probably as OL coach.

1 minute ago, time2rock said:

Probably as OL coach.

I think they already hired an OL coach

18 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think they already hired an OL coach

Looks like it is official.  And as you stated role not announced.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-saints-hiring-t-j-paganetti-off-of-eagles-coaching-staff

This was pretty much expected.

I'm getting to the point of F Kellen Moore. You want to go to some **** team? Fine. But stop shopping our coaches like  it's Walmart. Move on to your tire fire of a team and leave us alone. Way to screw Hurts with yet another QB coach change.

4 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I'm getting to the point of F Kellen Moore. You want to go to some **** team? Fine. But stop shopping our coaches like  it's Walmart. Move on to your tire fire of a team and leave us alone. Way to screw Hurts with yet another QB coach change.

Nussmeier was his guy. He followed him to every stop he's been at.  Paganetti was assistant coach so can't blame him for giving a better opportunity.  If he starts poaching guys for lateral moves then it's an issue

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Nussmeier was his guy. He followed him to every stop he's been at.  Paganetti was assistant coach so can't blame him for giving a better opportunity.  If he starts poaching guys for lateral moves then it's an issue

I think Moore taking the job was a mistake. He has no cap space. No talent. That's a 5 win team next year. He's going to get fired in two years and then he's screwed. He should have waited for a better job next year and won one more time with us. 

On 2/17/2025 at 11:04 AM, brkmsn said:

Why do less white guys succeed in rap music? Is it because they are white or because less white guys aspire to be great in that industry?

So are you suggesting that former Black players simply don't aspire to become coaches?  If you're making that argument, you couldn't be more wrong.   

13 minutes ago, MF POON said:

So are you suggesting that former Black players simply don't aspire to become coaches?    

In a way, yes. 

I'm saying that former players, especially the successful ones, usually don't aspire to get into coaching --- especially not right away. While the opposite is also true. That more young players that struggle to make it beyond college go right into coaching at a young age so they can still be a part of a football program. That gap in coaching experience gives that less successful player an edge over a successful player that started coaching much later (due to the length of his playing career). 

Take a guy like Jason Kelce, for example. He'd probably be a terrific coach if he wanted to do that. But right now, he's enjoying life after a successful career being married to the sport. Meanwhile there are a lot of guys his age or younger already coaching at the NFL level with years of experience.