February 19Feb 19 2 hours ago, brkmsn said: In a way, yes. I'm saying that former players, especially the successful ones, usually don't aspire to get into coaching --- especially not right away. While the opposite is also true. That more young players that struggle to make it beyond college go right into coaching at a young age so they can still be a part of a football program. That gap in coaching experience gives that less successful player an edge over a successful player that started coaching much later (due to the length of his playing career). Take a guy like Jason Kelce, for example. He'd probably be a terrific coach if he wanted to do that. But right now, he's enjoying life after a successful career being married to the sport. Meanwhile there are a lot of guys his age or younger already coaching at the NFL level with years of experience. What makes you assume Kelce would be a terrific coach? The reason I ask is because I think your assumption is why a lot of former players that are poc/black don't get coaching opportunities, or are passed up far too often. I also don't buy the nonsense that former Black players simply don't aspire to become coaches. Just look at a guy like Byron Leftwich who's had enough success to have received a head coaching gig, yet hasn't. He won a SB as an OC with the Bucs, yet he's been passed up for HC positions. Just look at our prior coordinators who were white that received HC gigs. We could also point out how many former White players turned coach fail, yet they get second and third opportunities elsewhere.
February 19Feb 19 On 2/13/2025 at 6:36 PM, time2rock said: I don’t see anything announced anywhere that Patullo was promoted. Not ready to trust "The Fly Eagles Fly” as a legit source. Okay I might’ve jumped the gun a little bit. 😂 Seriously I’m not surprised though.
February 20Feb 20 7 hours ago, MF POON said: What makes you assume Kelce would be a terrific coach? The reason I ask is because I think your assumption is why a lot of former players that are poc/black don't get coaching opportunities, or are passed up far too often. I also don't buy the nonsense that former Black players simply don't aspire to become coaches. I was using Kelce as an example of a player (regardless of race) that so far has chosen not to enter coaching. I also never said, "head coach," or "offensive coordinator," just "coach." What makes me think he'd be good at it? Ask Jurgens, Mailata, Seumalo, Dickerson, etc... But if you need more, let me list the reasons: He was a terrific leader of men. He was coached by one of the best position coaches and has helped mentor numerous linemen over the last 8 years or so. He has a very high football IQ and he knows how to command respect. But why should he go into coaching right now when one of the major reasons he retired as a player was so he could spend more time with his family? At this point, I can't even remember how I worded things that obviously ruffled your feathers. I stand by my claim that kids growing up don't aspire to become coaches. They chase after the allure of playing. The people that get into coaching at early ages are usually people that didn't make it very far as a player, but love the sport. Recently we saw Michael Vick get into coaching and I expect him to succeed. He's been through a lot and has become a better person through all of it. I think he offers a positive message that should be on display as a coach. I admit I was shocked to hear D-Jax also getting a HC gig. Last thing I remember him doing before that was whining about Chip Kelly. I don't think DeSean is ready for coaching, but I wish him the best. Who knows, maybe watching the Deion Sanders "show" has renewed interest in going into coaching after retirement. I just don't believe there was as big a draw by players as you seem to think. That's why I believe the demographics of players don't match the demographics of coaches in the NFL. I don't believe it has anything to do with discrimination today. That is my opinion.
February 20Feb 20 12 hours ago, brkmsn said: I was using Kelce as an example of a player (regardless of race) that so far has chosen not to enter coaching. I also never said, "head coach," or "offensive coordinator," just "coach." What makes me think he'd be good at it? Ask Jurgens, Mailata, Seumalo, Dickerson, etc... But if you need more, let me list the reasons: He was a terrific leader of men. He was coached by one of the best position coaches and has helped mentor numerous linemen over the last 8 years or so. He has a very high football IQ and he knows how to command respect. But why should he go into coaching right now when one of the major reasons he retired as a player was so he could spend more time with his family? At this point, I can't even remember how I worded things that obviously ruffled your feathers. I stand by my claim that kids growing up don't aspire to become coaches. They chase after the allure of playing. The people that get into coaching at early ages are usually people that didn't make it very far as a player, but love the sport. Recently we saw Michael Vick get into coaching and I expect him to succeed. He's been through a lot and has become a better person through all of it. I think he offers a positive message that should be on display as a coach. I admit I was shocked to hear D-Jax also getting a HC gig. Last thing I remember him doing before that was whining about Chip Kelly. I don't think DeSean is ready for coaching, but I wish him the best. Who knows, maybe watching the Deion Sanders "show" has renewed interest in going into coaching after retirement. I just don't believe there was as big a draw by players as you seem to think. That's why I believe the demographics of players don't match the demographics of coaches in the NFL. I don't believe it has anything to do with discrimination today. That is my opinion. Yeah, that's why I asked "what makes you assume Kelce would be a terrific coach?" I didn't specify what kind of coach either, I just said coach. Even with all those reasons, it still doesn't really justify why you think Black players don't aspire to become coaches. It just points to why Jason hasn't gotten into coaching. Anyway, I think Deion Sanders is a prime example that sinks your argument. He's one of the most successful players in NFL history and he's in coaching. Just do a google search to enlighten yourself about his coaching career, and you might also want to search former Black players that coach just so you'd realize why your opinion is wrong. Guys like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Herm Edwards, Eric Allen, Michael Vick, etc. would all tell you that successful Black players aspire to coach at some level, lol. Lastly, I'm good, you haven't ruffled any feathers - I just don't agree with your opinion
February 21Feb 21 10 hours ago, MF POON said: Yeah, that's why I asked "what makes you assume Kelce would be a terrific coach?" I didn't specify what kind of coach either, I just said coach. Even with all those reasons, it still doesn't really justify why you think Black players don't aspire to become coaches. It just points to why Jason hasn't gotten into coaching. Anyway, I think Deion Sanders is a prime example that sinks your argument. He's one of the most successful players in NFL history and he's in coaching. Just do a google search to enlighten yourself about his coaching career, and you might also want to search former Black players that coach just so you'd realize why your opinion is wrong. Guys like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Herm Edwards, Eric Allen, Michael Vick, etc. would all tell you that successful Black players aspire to coach at some level, lol. Lastly, I'm good, you haven't ruffled any feathers - I just don't agree with your opinion I said kids don't aspire to become coaches. I also said that players (regardless of race) are less likely to pursue a coaching career if they have a successful professional playing career. Another point I made is that the young coaches in the NFL have likely been coaching since the end of their college playing days, giving them an edge in experience over players that pursued a professional career through their 20s - 30s and then tried to get into coaching later. Deion Sanders has never coached in the NFL and began his coaching career by appointing himself HC of a school he founded. This all happened after he had been working on TV for 15 years after he was done playing. Obviously he had some interest from the NFL this season, but he's now 57 years old. He's 5 years older than Mike Tomlin who has been coaching in the NFL for 24 years, 18 as a HC. When did Ray Lewis get into coaching? Eric Allen coached 1 season in the AAF 18 years after he retired. Ed Reed coached 1 season on a failed coaching staff and has not had a coaching stint since. I'm rooting for Vick to succeed as he takes on this endeavor. I already explained why in an earlier post. I think he is entering coaching for all the right reasons. But 45 years old is a late start. In 2018, Vick said, "I didn't think I ever wanted to coach but talking about the game at Fox, I get excited like I'm out there playing again. But, it's still not touching individuals. When the opportunity came about, I felt like I could really make a difference and give back to the game."
February 21Feb 21 Author On 2/16/2025 at 12:42 PM, Macho Grande said: On 2/17/2025 at 7:45 AM, Breeze 44 said: I think they're going to go with Brandon Staley as DC..hate to lose Parker. Staley it is as NO's choice for DC. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/saints-to-hire-brandon-staley-as-defensive-coordinator
February 21Feb 21 This was like a storybook movie ending for Kellen. Years on the Cowboys and not going anywhere. Then a down year with the Chargers. Then one season with the Eagles, Super Bowl Championship in New Orleans and then you get the job litterally in New Orleans. I guess he felt it was a sign, I don't blame him for furthering his career.
February 22Feb 22 7 hours ago, time2rock said: Staley it is as NO's choice for DC. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/saints-to-hire-brandon-staley-as-defensive-coordinator Glad Parker is staying
February 25Feb 25 On 2/20/2025 at 8:18 PM, brkmsn said: I said kids don't aspire to become coaches. I also said that players (regardless of race) are less likely to pursue a coaching career if they have a successful professional playing career. Another point I made is that the young coaches in the NFL have likely been coaching since the end of their college playing days, giving them an edge in experience over players that pursued a professional career through their 20s - 30s and then tried to get into coaching later. Deion Sanders has never coached in the NFL and began his coaching career by appointing himself HC of a school he founded. This all happened after he had been working on TV for 15 years after he was done playing. Obviously he had some interest from the NFL this season, but he's now 57 years old. He's 5 years older than Mike Tomlin who has been coaching in the NFL for 24 years, 18 as a HC. When did Ray Lewis get into coaching? Eric Allen coached 1 season in the AAF 18 years after he retired. Ed Reed coached 1 season on a failed coaching staff and has not had a coaching stint since. I'm rooting for Vick to succeed as he takes on this endeavor. I already explained why in an earlier post. I think he is entering coaching for all the right reasons. But 45 years old is a late start. In 2018, Vick said, "I didn't think I ever wanted to coach but talking about the game at Fox, I get excited like I'm out there playing again. But, it's still not touching individuals. When the opportunity came about, I felt like I could really make a difference and give back to the game." Yeah, you said kids don't aspire to become coaches, but that argument honestly makes no sense. Even if most, or all kids don't aspire to become coaches, that doesn't somehow explain why there's so little poc in coaching positions. Also, your argument about many successful players not pursuing coaching careers is just flat out wrong (google is your friend here, as I'm not listing every single player that has). Basically, you're making the argument that all kids aspire to become pro players, but when black kids fail they just go and do something else, but white kids develop the desire to become coaches. I think that's nonsense, lol. As the saying goes, "those that can't do, teach" and that's not something that only pertains to a particular race, lol. I'm sure plenty of failed former Black collegiate/pro athletes develop a desire to coach. The real question is why do some people (of all races) get opportunities, while others don't? We also can't forget that nepotism in the NFL/College ranks exists, which I'm sure plays a big factor in opportunities. Lastly, Ed Reed just got hired again to be a coach at a HS.
February 28Feb 28 Author Loeffler brings considerable OC experience (8 yrs) albeit at the collegiate level.
February 28Feb 28 Author 5 minutes ago, Procus said: Lions went 0-16 in 2008 Not exactly an inspiring hire is it.
February 28Feb 28 1 hour ago, time2rock said: Loeffler brings considerable OC experience (8 yrs) albeit at the collegiate level. I'm guessing the Brady connection was the impetus for this hire, but no, it's not exactly an inspiring hire.
February 28Feb 28 I like the hire. Brings lots of experience, but most importantly, brings an outside perspective which was much needed after the Patullo promotion.
February 28Feb 28 Author 2 minutes ago, beto_eagles said: I like the hire. Brings lots of experience, but most importantly, brings an outside perspective which was much needed after the Patullo promotion. This has vibes of bringing in Scangarello and/or Breiner.
February 28Feb 28 2 minutes ago, time2rock said: This has vibes of bringing in Scangarello and/or Breiner. Could be, but Sirianni has shown that he's a better recruiter than Doug. I trust they know what they're doing.
February 28Feb 28 Author 3 minutes ago, beto_eagles said: Could be, but Sirianni has shown that he's a better recruiter than Doug. I trust they know what they're doing. With a new Lombardi in the trophy case, Sirianni has earned the freedom to hire his own choices to fill out his staff. Time will tell and obviously hoping for the best.
February 28Feb 28 Loeffler seems like the kind of out-of-left-field hire that must be based on someone in the building knowing Loeffler, thinking a lot of him, and pounding the table for him convincingly. Who would that table pounder be?
February 28Feb 28 My experience with the Loeffler is the same as most have reported. Didn't really make a difference when he was on teams I was watching. I lost track of him when he went to Bowling Green so no idea how or if he's evolved over the last 6 years.
February 28Feb 28 3 hours ago, time2rock said: With a new Lombardi in the trophy case, Sirianni has earned the freedom to hire his own choices to fill out his staff. Time will tell and obviously hoping for the best. No, just say no! Do we forget that the front office had to step in and bring in an offensive and defensive coordinator last year? Leave those decisions to the front office. That said, not a lot of options this time of year.
February 28Feb 28 Author 54 minutes ago, Vileborg said: No, just say no! Do we forget that the front office had to step in and bring in an offensive and defensive coordinator last year? Leave those decisions to the front office. That said, not a lot of options this time of year. I mentioned earlier this is a most uninspiring hire ... I think going from Moore/Nussmeier to Patullo/Loeffler is a big step backwards. But because Nick just won it all have to lengthen that leash a bit (temporarily). Also mentioned since we were the last team standing all of the most coveted prospects have been snapped up so it was somewhat slim pickings. Now just have to hope for the best.
March 1Mar 1 3 hours ago, LacesOut said: Two 'meh' hiring's, IMO. But WTF do I know. We got another Lombardi!!!!!!!! They’ve sold me more on Patullo over time as usual but the history of internal guys is not good. I’m good with Loefler. Seems solid enough
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