Hurts is 2-2 against Mahomes

He is 2-0 vs Lamar and Allen

He is 6-0 against Goff, Burrow, and Stafford

 

He is 1-2 vs Dak.

He's 1-2 against Baker (no AJ in both losses, no AJ, DeVonta, and Lane in this year's game) 

Are Dak and Baker the only elite QBs now?

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FWIW Patrick Mahomes is somewhere around the 9th to 14th best regular season QB over 2023-24 if we are only talking stats and metrics

2024 

• 16th in passer rating
• 27th in yards per attempt
• 17th in TD%
• 18th in interception %
• 10th in completion %
• 7th in yards
• 10th in TDs

Which number is elite?

2023

• 14th in passer rating
• 19th in yards per attempt
• 15th in TD%
• 21st in interception %
• 9th in completion %
• 6th in yards
• 8th in TDs

Which number is elite?

 

This is before knocking him down more by adding in elite rushing numbers where Allen, Hurts, and Lamar bury him.

Does winning only count for Kermit?

7 hours ago, SkippyX said:

You apparently don't know what the word ELITE means

• He is one of the 3 best statistical SB QBs in history (2+ games)
• He has the 3rd most TDs since the start of 2022 
• He is 40-10 in his last 50 regular season games.
• He is 6-3 in the playoffs
• He is in a dead heat with Lamar as the best run game QB in the league (yards, TDs, and affecting the D)
• He is an at the line field general who audibles into huge gains and TDs left and right.

 

You are hung up on passing yards. Its the Testaverde / Jameis Winston stat.

Do you need him to stay in the game in 4th quarter blowouts to get 35 more passing yards a game? 

He could have easily had a 300 100 game on Sunday but this is not fantasy football.

Actually im not hung up on a stat ive never cared about. Hurts is a great qb and did what was asked of him. This season he was not the primary reason that they made the super bowl. The argument can be made that the defense and saquon's presence on the field could be bigger contributors. I dont throw the term elite around. I never said foles was elite after that super bowl. Hurts is a leader and a big game qb. No moment is too big for the guy. But an elite qb? Not for me

Whether you consider Hurts to be "elite" or not is completely subjective and is pointless to argue over (it is like arguing with each other over what your favorite color is).  All that matters is that Hurts is a Super Bowl winning QB. 

We have a unique situation here right now where the QB doesn't need to always be the one carrying the team on his back every week to lead the team to victory ... we have an awesome defense and one of the best running games in the league led by one of the best RBs this era of football has seen (not to mention some incredible weapons at receiver and one of the top OLs in the league).  But when he is needed to carry the team he has done so - what he has done to get us to the promised land should not be ignored or minimized.  

1 minute ago, time2rock said:

Whether you consider Hurts to be "elite" or not is completely subjective and is pointless to argue over (it is like arguing with each other over what your favorite color is).  All that matters is that Hurts is a Super Bowl winning QB. 

We have a unique situation here right now where the QB doesn't need to always be the one carrying the team on his back every week to lead the team to victory ... we have an awesome defense and one of the best running games in the league led by one of the best RBs this era of football has seen (not to mention some incredible weapons at receiver and one of the top OLs in the league).  But when he is needed to carry the team he has done so - what he has done to get us to the promised land should not be ignored or minimized.  

Hurts was incredible on the biggest stage. That throw to Dotson when blitzed showed immediately how dialed in he was (the called back throw to AJ too).   He is elite. Not sure why people are arguing it but not surprised either

2 hours ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

Actually im not hung up on a stat ive never cared about. Hurts is a great qb and did what was asked of him. This season he was not the primary reason that they made the super bowl. The argument can be made that the defense and saquon's presence on the field could be bigger contributors. I dont throw the term elite around. I never said foles was elite after that super bowl. Hurts is a leader and a big game qb. No moment is too big for the guy. But an elite qb? Not for me

Football will always be a team sport. The leadership will go a long way in determining how well the team plays as a whole. The NFL has asked QBs to come into the league and become the unequivocal team leaders. Jalen Hurts is that man on the Eagles. 

 

Regardless of the argument on what Jalen is, I'd just like you to define an elite QB in your opinion. Does your definition rely mostly on passing success in an offense that passes first? What exactly are the parameters and who are the elite NFL QBs currently on rosters?

 

IMO, Jalen Hurts has elite leadership qualities. He has elite competitiveness, drive and work ethic. He has elite character. He has elite QB running skills. He is the best QB in the NFL at read options. He doesn't have elite arm strength or elite height for a QB. But he has an underrated arm and elite accuracy (yes accuracy). He has elite command of the Eagles' offense. His team's record with him as a starter is elite. His peers around the league have voted him into the top 15 players in the NFL (all positions) the last 2 years. 

Does a guy have to be in a Little Caesars commercial to achieve elite status?

Next time they doubt you…

Barrett Brooks said if you can't accept that Hurts is an elite QB, ok, then he is an elite Winner. He is clutch in big games and wins. 

If he's a game manager type in the regular season, efficient, limits turnovers and does just enough to win games with a strong run game and defense, then turns it on in the playoffs, that's fine. Just win.

6 hours ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

Actually im not hung up on a stat ive never cared about. Hurts is a great qb and did what was asked of him. This season he was not the primary reason that they made the super bowl. The argument can be made that the defense and saquon's presence on the field could be bigger contributors. I dont throw the term elite around. I never said foles was elite after that super bowl. Hurts is a leader and a big game qb. No moment is too big for the guy. But an elite qb? Not for me

Personally I don’t care about so called elite. I care about winning. This guy went to the SB without the number one defense and Saquan Barkley. No other Eagles quarterback has been to multiple Super Bowls. Winning is what matters. All of those so called elite guys don’t have a ring on their finger. 

Something I finally noticed about Hurts. It's the same characteristic I loved about Foles. Hurts has ice water in his veins in the playoffs. Unshakable. Unflappable. Calm. THAT one trait goes a looooong way towards winning in the playoffs. You saw Mahomes get rattled this time. Not saying he always gets rattled, but he got rattled. Hurts? He doesn't give a crap- he is trying to win a football game. Not sure why it took me so long to see it, but it was clear as hell in these playoffs. The same trait I loved about Foles- Hurts has.

Imma go puzzle, and puzzle some more, until I puzzle so much, my puzzler gets sore.

15 hours ago, Talonblood said:

Something I finally noticed about Hurts. It's the same characteristic I loved about Foles. Hurts has ice water in his veins in the playoffs. Unshakable. Unflappable. Calm. THAT one trait goes a looooong way towards winning in the playoffs. You saw Mahomes get rattled this time. Not saying he always gets rattled, but he got rattled. Hurts? He doesn't give a crap- he is trying to win a football game. Not sure why it took me so long to see it, but it was clear as hell in these playoffs. The same trait I loved about Foles- Hurts has.

Oh for sure he doesnt get rattled. He’ll make mistakes (every player does) but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him make them because he’s visibly rattled or shaken. He always looks so calm and composed.

I know we won so comfortably on Sunday but at the time Hurts threw that INT it was not! It was 7-0 and still everything to play for. And I know the defense bailed us out on the next KC drive but Hurts remained so calm and came back and continued to lead us to points.

I think Hurts is elite.  He's shown enough that he can throw the ball well when he has to, so I don't get why people question it.  

Lamar is an excellent QB, but they probably beat the Bills if they had just handed the ball off to Henry more.  There's nothing wrong with everyone taking a backseat to the RB if they're an explosive weapon. 

 

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

I think Hurts is elite.  He's shown enough that he can throw the ball well when he has, or wants/needs to, so I don't get why people question it.  

Lamar is an excellent QB, but they probably beat the Bills if they had just handed the ball off to Henry more.  There's nothing wrong with everyone taking a backseat to the RB if they're an explosive weapon. 

 

Hurts wants to win. He has a drive to win that I’m not sure many in the NFL can equal. And so he’s willing to do things that perhaps limit his role. But I think next year he’s going to need to do more because I’m not sure we can ride the Barkley train quite as hard.

Well I just have the most wonderful wife!  Surprised me with this today!  I don’t purchase many jerseys … I did get a Saquon jersey earlier this season but prior to that the only jersey I bought in the past 15 years or so was Foles immediately after LII.  I said I’d purchase the jersey of any QB that wins a Super Bowl for us.  She beat me to it with the Hurts jersey.  

On 2/12/2025 at 12:44 PM, EazyEaglez said:

Personally I don’t care about so called elite. I care about winning. This guy went to the SB without the number one defense and Saquan Barkley. No other Eagles quarterback has been to multiple Super Bowls. Winning is what matters. All of those so called elite guys don’t have a ring on their finger. 

makes him the best qb in eagles history. no question. 

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Well I just have the most wonderful wife!  Surprised me with this today!  I don’t purchase many jerseys … I did get a Saquon jersey earlier this season but prior to that the only jersey I bought in the past 15 years or so was Foles immediately after LII.  I said I’d purchase the jersey of any QB that wins a Super Bowl for us.  She beat me to it with the Hurts jersey.  

They will never go back to kelly green permanently, they make way to much money off both midnight and kelly this way. 

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

They will never go back to kelly green permanently, they make way to much money off both midnight and kelly this way. 

Yeah I don’t expect that.  But that doesn’t mean this thing isn’t sweet.  😬

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Yeah I don’t expect that.  But that doesn’t mean this thing isn’t sweet.  😬

It sure is! Awesome gift! Enjoy! 

On 2/12/2025 at 8:52 AM, brkmsn said:

Football will always be a team sport. The leadership will go a long way in determining how well the team plays as a whole. The NFL has asked QBs to come into the league and become the unequivocal team leaders. Jalen Hurts is that man on the Eagles. 

 

Regardless of the argument on what Jalen is, I'd just like you to define an elite QB in your opinion. Does your definition rely mostly on passing success in an offense that passes first? What exactly are the parameters and who are the elite NFL QBs currently on rosters?

 

IMO, Jalen Hurts has elite leadership qualities. He has elite competitiveness, drive and work ethic. He has elite character. He has elite QB running skills. He is the best QB in the NFL at read options. He doesn't have elite arm strength or elite height for a QB. But he has an underrated arm and elite accuracy (yes accuracy). He has elite command of the Eagles' offense. His team's record with him as a starter is elite. His peers around the league have voted him into the top 15 players in the NFL (all positions) the last 2 years. 

Does a guy have to be in a Little Caesars commercial to achieve elite status?

no one can argue the intangibles of Hurts. 100% agree. but thats as i go. the team got better when he was no longer the focal point. thats not elite. now does being elite = Rings? not a chance. Hurts is a "Big Game QB". Is he Elite? No. A winner? Definitely. Nick Foles wasnt elite. Hell Eli Manning wasnt elite but he has 2 rings with one coming against arguably the greatest team in nfl history. He led the team to a championship but he was not the primary reason they won this championship. 

16 minutes ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

no one can argue the intangibles of Hurts. 100% agree. but thats as i go. the team got better when he was no longer the focal point. thats not elite. now does being elite = Rings? not a chance. Hurts is a "Big Game QB". Is he Elite? No. A winner? Definitely. Nick Foles wasnt elite. Hell Eli Manning wasnt elite but he has 2 rings with one coming against arguably the greatest team in nfl history. He led the team to a championship but he was not the primary reason they won this championship. 

Joe Montana wasn't "the primary reason" his team won 4 Super Bowls. He was on a loaded team. Many would still call him elite (including me). Elite QBs aren't going anywhere without elite teams (see Dan Marino). Right now, is Mahomes an elite QB?

6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Joe Montana wasn't "the primary reason" his team won 4 Super Bowls. He was on a loaded team. Many would still call him elite (including me). Elite QBs aren't going anywhere without elite teams (see Dan Marino). Right now, is Mahomes an elite QB?

I think the debate now has to end with Hurts. He’s elite and he’s in the top 5 QBs in the NFL. Is he as good as Mahomes, Burrow, Allen? Maybe not but then he wins at a higher rate than Burrow and Allen.

12 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think the debate now has to end with Hurts. He’s elite and he’s in the top 5 QBs in the NFL. Is he as good as Mahomes, Burrow, Allen? Maybe not but then he wins at a higher rate than Burrow and Allen.

Opinions will vary, so there's really no end to the debate. I contend that he is an elite QB unless a person believes a QB is only a QB when he passes the ball. QB is a position, not a style. There are more prolific passers, but playing QB is not just about passing. When he passed this year, his passer rating was 104.7 (regular season and postseason combined). So it's not like we were winning with a Tim Tebow-level passer. 104.7 (including nearly 70% completion percentage) on a season is pretty good. Nobody has to argue to make a case about his running threat and contribution. Hurts didn't have to pad stats to make teams pay in 2024. In the Super Bowl, a pretty good defense took away Barkley and dared Hurts to beat them --- which he did ... consistently.

Hurts is, IMO, a truly elite dual threat QB. 

On 2/11/2025 at 5:23 PM, EazyEaglez said:

If Sirianni won’t call plays then maybe they can bring in someone who isn’t looking for a HC job like Fangio. Problem is most of those old guys aren’t into these new styles of offense. Next guy in will be on his way out soon too.

I'm wondering if they give the play calling role to the passing game coordinator or some sort of hybrid between Stoutland (Run Game Coordinator) and Patullo (?) (Passing Game Coordinator. Obviously Stoutland and Patullo couldn't have a discussion between snap so I don't know how they'd do that. Didn't they bring in a guy to call plays during the mess that was 2020? I recall it didn't work out well.