1 hour ago, time2rock said:

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What else do people want? We are a run 1st team. Swear some of these fans want 23/30 for 350yds 3 tds and a loss. Lol. Hurts didn't do anything to lose the game and did enough to help win. Some of the play calling was trash also. And... gb are not trash on D.

Look, I'm not a huge fan of Hurts, as my posts show. But I am fair in those posts, too. Jalen Hurts did what he needed to do to WIN a playoff game. I would rather him manage the game, instead of playing hero ball, zinging the ball all over the place and getting picked off 2 or more times, like our opponent did. He didn't turn the ball over. They have a killer run game. They balanced pass/rush pretty well. Hurts won a playoff game. That's huge. Was it his best game? No. Was he rusty after 3 weeks off? Yes. Did he do enough to win? Yes. He did ok, and needs to get better for next week. I don't have a gripe with Hurts for winning a playoff game.

What Hurts is elite at is making first downs and keeping the chains moving ... between his tush push excellence and his ability to scramble, he can make 1st downs happen in a lot of ways, and does exactly that.

If you're hoping for him to be an elite passer, well that's not who he is ... there, he's good, not great.  Better than many, but not as good as quite a few.

Overall, I, for one, am damn glad to have him as the QB -- there are precious few who I would rather have.

30 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

Look, I'm not a huge fan of Hurts, as my posts show. But I am fair in those posts, too. Jalen Hurts did what he needed to do to WIN a playoff game. I would rather him manage the game, instead of playing hero ball, zinging the ball all over the place and getting picked off 2 or more times, like our opponent did. He didn't turn the ball over. They have a killer run game. They balanced pass/rush pretty well. Hurts won a playoff game. That's huge. Was it his best game? No. Was he rusty after 3 weeks off? Yes. Did he do enough to win? Yes. He did ok, and needs to get better for next week. I don't have a gripe with Hurts for winning a playoff game.

Careful man, it's hard for some of these people to be level headed. Play calling was trash. WRs weren't open, and he protected the ball and not take stupid risks playing hero ball.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

You should edit the option in the poll from he's just not "elite" and change to "just not that great" or something. No one should think he's elite except a couple delusional homers. 

Done.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

I think one of the problems with Hurts is the hope and illusion that he's going to be great. He's not going to be a top 5 QB. We have to let go of 2022. After 2 full seasons we can see that season was an outlier. 2023 his numbers were actually close to 2022 in many aspects expect the awful amount of turnovers. He's not elite or great. But he's also not the worst QB in the league like some people say. He's average most games but has a couple games here and there that are great, has some flaws, shows flashes at times, his running ability helps contribute. He doesn't let mistakes bother him, he shakes them off and can get himself out of slumps at times. But he's inconsistent. Which makes it unreliable. 

The problem is the rest of the offense is elite, and we have to be honest that the offense should be dominating more, putting up more points, being more prolific in the passing game. Of course, if the team wins and can win a SB this way that's great. But with elite O line, WRs, RB and a decent TE room a top 12 passing QB would have the offense dominating a lot more. 

I'm wondering about Moore, if it's hard for him to adjust play calling to whatever version of Hurts he's getting. He's had to work with the backup QBs in recent games and unsure of Hurts practice status in the protocol. Then he sees the TD drive and all looks good. But they didn't adjust to the blitz well enough - which happened in previous playoff years also.

Astute take.  Jalen seems to have flashes of brilliance surrounded by sustained periods of mediocrity.  And his flashes can be so good, it’s easy to be fooled into thinking that’s who he can be most of the time.  This season, he has proven that he can be a good game manager.  He has learned how to protect the ball much better and understands that this is the O line and Barkley’s offense and the defense is the identity of the 2025 Eagles.  He is a very good role player (and a very expensive one, at that).  

19 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Astute take.  Jalen seems to have flashes of brilliance surrounded by sustained periods of mediocrity.  And his flashes can be so good, it’s easy to be fooled into thinking that’s who he can be most of the time.  This season, he has proven that he can be a good game manager.  He has learned how to protect the ball much better and understands that this is the O line and Barkley’s offense and the defense is the identity of the 2025 Eagles.  He is a very good role player (and a very expensive one, at that).  

I have to think Lurie is looking at his investment and wanting more.

We'll see how the rest of the playoffs go, but they haven't been afraid to move on from QBs in the past. Traded QBs, drafted QBs high when they have a presumed starter in place, etc. QB factory and all.

I doubt they'll let it happen but I really want to see more of McKee and what he can do.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I have to think Lurie is looking at his investment and wanting more.

We'll see how the rest of the playoffs go, but they haven't been afraid to move on from QBs in the past. Traded QBs, drafted QBs high when they have a presumed starter in place, etc. QB factory and all.

I doubt they'll let it happen but I really want to see more of McKee and what he can do.

Surprised a McKeeEra handle hasn't show up yet.  

Ah, that Cowboys game

 

3 hours ago, The Norseman said:

I see a lot of people saying that he protected the football and didn't give up a turnover yesterday, which is true.  But if he continues to stand in the pocket for 10 minutes he's going to take hits from behind.  We saw it happen a couple of times yesterday and it was just blind luck that he didn't get stripped. 

I have zero confidence that he can protect the football moving forward if he doesn't get rid of it faster. 

We already lost one super bowl due to him being strip sacked, lets not make it two.   

Hurts actually wasn't strip sacked in the Super Bowl. He dropped it on his own.

49 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I have to think Lurie is looking at his investment and wanting more.

We'll see how the rest of the playoffs go, but they haven't been afraid to move on from QBs in the past. Traded QBs, drafted QBs high when they have a presumed starter in place, etc. QB factory and all.

I doubt they'll let it happen but I really want to see more of McKee and what he can do.

I couldn’t agree more in regards to McKee.  It was nice to see quick decisions and the ball getting out on time to the playmakers.  This notion that "nobody is open” as to why Jalen holds on to the ball is patently false.  How many defenses can blanket AJ and Devonta and Goedert/Calcaterra seemingly 75% of the time when we dial up pass?  We witnessed a 3rd string QB execute the offense with quick passes at a high level.  Granted, very small sample, but we could see a quick decision maker operate the offense in real time. 

I agree with you on Jalen leaving Laurie wanting.  I would bet he is being evaluated more closely.  My suspicion is that they’ve done that every season (with exception to 1) but either the price is too steep for an upgrade (via draft, trade, or FA) or the upgrade is only modest.  

 

1 minute ago, VeeMak said:

I couldn’t agree more in regards to McKee.  It was nice to see quick decisions and the ball getting out on time to the playmakers.  This notion that "nobody is open” as to why Jalen holds on to the ball is patently false.  How many defenses can blanket AJ and Devonta and Goedert/Calcaterra seemingly 75% of the time when we dial up pass?  We witnessed a 3rd string QB execute the offense with quick passes at a high level.  Granted, very small sample, but we could see a quick decision maker operate the offense in real time. 

I agree with you on Jalen leaving Laurie wanting.  I would bet he is being evaluated more closely.  My suspicion is that they’ve done that every season (with exception to 1) but either the price is too steep for an upgrade (via draft, trade, or FA) or the upgrade is only modest.  

 

One thing I hope to come of this is Howie not giving a multi-million dollar extension to any QB too soon. 

Just now, NOTW said:

One thing I hope to come of this is Howie not giving a multi-million dollar extension to any QB too soon. 

I still wonder what could have been with Wentz had it not been for the Rams game. 

2 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

I still wonder what could have been with Wentz had it not been for the Rams game. 

That season I thought we finally had our long-term QB. 

If we had a top 10 long-term type QB with this current roster it'd be a dynasty.

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

I've defended Hurts plenty (also criticized him). But it's sad that the standard is so low that we have to celebrate the QB not turning the ball over. It's great that he overcame that problem. But he has to improve as a passer big time.

Drives me crazy when I see people have to use "he's not putting the ball in harms way" and "he just wins" as ways to defend Hurts and/or pump him up.  

Hurts debates are always good fodder for sports radio and here on a message board, etc.  But as with many things, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.  Hurts doesn't "suck" and he isn't "great".  He's mediocre with some good qualities and deficient in others.

3 hours ago, Portyansky said:

What else do people want? We are a run 1st team. Swear some of these fans want 23/30 for 350yds 3 tds and a loss. Lol. Hurts didn't do anything to lose the game and did enough to help win. Some of the play calling was trash also. And... gb are not trash on D.

Right. Hurts for me wasn’t good yesterday (he did enough) and has been a bit up and down this year. But.

1) People say 2024 was an outlier but he was playing at that level for 11 weeks of 2023. In fact he was MVP favourite after the Bills game. He was bad down the stretch, but so was the entire team.

2) Hurts has mostly been pretty good this year. There have been a few games where Barkley didn’t get going until the second half and Hurts did a good job of putting points on the board. He generally hasn’t had to throw late because D has been so good.

3) I hate how the poll option has changed to "not great” and so many people have selected that. Generally Hurts is rated somewhere between 6 and 12 by most commentators in terms of QBs in the league. That’s very good. Imagine if you were in the top third of your job and someone described you as "not great”.

Hurts needs to play better than that on Sunday as we go deeper. I think he will but more importantly he will do what he needs to do for us to win.

He, himself would tell you that he did not play up to the standard.
He would also tell you to keep, the main thing, the main thing. Which was the standard.

I think Jalen will play better. Because he won't go anywhere if he plays like that in the next rd. Thank goodness it isn't TB.
 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

That season I thought we finally had our long-term QB. 

If we had a top 10 long-term type QB with this current roster it'd be a dynasty.

I see your point, but it would be clearer if you can name ten better QBs than Hurts. I don't think he's elite - for me that would be top five - but he's definitely top ten for me. I've an open mind, so convince me. I'll give you Allen, Burrow, Mahomes and Jackson to start with. Give me six more and I'll accept you're right.

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

I think one of the problems with Hurts is the hope and illusion that he's going to be great. He's not going to be a top 5 QB. We have to let go of 2022. After 2 full seasons we can see that season was an outlier. 2023 his numbers were actually close to 2022 in many aspects expect the awful amount of turnovers. He's not elite or great. But he's also not the worst QB in the league like some people say. He's average most games but has a couple games here and there that are great, has some flaws, shows flashes at times, his running ability helps contribute. He doesn't let mistakes bother him, he shakes them off and can get himself out of slumps at times. But he's inconsistent. Which makes it unreliable. 

The problem is the rest of the offense is elite, and we have to be honest that the offense should be dominating more, putting up more points, being more prolific in the passing game. Of course, if the team wins and can win a SB this way that's great. But with elite O line, WRs, RB and a decent TE room a top 12 passing QB would have the offense dominating a lot more. 

Agree with all of this. In my opinion, we have the best RB in the league, arguably the best O-Line and arguably the best receiver core. We should be borderline unstoppable on offense.

4 hours ago, Portyansky said:

What else do people want? We are a run 1st team. Swear some of these fans want 23/30 for 350yds 3 tds and a loss. Lol. Hurts didn't do anything to lose the game and did enough to help win. Some of the play calling was trash also. And... gb are not trash on D.

We had to grind out a close win with a +4 turnover differential and a defense that allowed 10 points. That effort was good enough against the Packers, but we won't make it to the SB, much less win one, with performances like that from the offense. 

Whatever the case, things likely won't get easier. So things need to improve, rapidly. 

I think he was still having effects from the concussion. He did not look right from the start and yet they continued to run him or he called his own number and ran. 

Rusty?

I guess he's been rusty all year then. This was his normal play. Stats and the eye test are completely different. 

He is what he is, running qb with a few good throws here and there.

It's been good enough to win so far and we are not changing QBs for at least another year so have to game plan to it. 

Sadly I don't think we win the SB. One of these games we will need a more passing offensive game plan to win and that is not Hurts. Defense and the running game is this teams strengths. Have to ride it as long as we can and enjoy that ride

It wasn't Jalen Hurts. Why is it the Packers KNEW every passing route and had everyone covered like glue on almost EVERY play throughout the game? How is that even possible? But the Packers KNEW the Eagles offensive scheme, inside and out. All game. MOORE, are you listening? You better change something up, because now teams KNOW what you are going to do. You MUST change it up for the rest of the playoffs, or Eagles will be going home ealry again.

31 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Whatever the case, things likely won't get easier. So things need to improve, rapidly. 

Expeditiously!

 

Just now, Talonblood said:

It wasn't Jalen Hurts. Why is it the Packers KNEW every passing route and had everyone covered like glue on almost EVERY play throughout the game? How is that even possible? But the Packers KNEW the Eagles offensive scheme, inside and out. All game. MOORE, are you listening? You better change something up, because now teams KNOW what you are going to do. You MUST change it up for the rest of the playoffs, or Eagles will be going home ealry again.

Watch the all 22. They routes were open when they made the cut or break. Hurts is not that style qb who throws before the cut. So the routes covered up quick since the throw was not made in time.

That is on both Hurts and Moore. 

Hurts- QBs should know and trust the route to throw it a sec before the break when it will be open. Hurts does not trust himself or the recs around him. Hurts only throws to recs wide open. He won't throw a player open. 

Moore- Needs to understand Hurts limitations and design the offense routes to his strengths. We know he won't throw curls or breaking routes so need more crosses that lead outside since Hurts doesn't like the middle. Sadly Moore is extremely limited in his plays due to limitations. It's exactly why we changed the scheme to run 65+% of the game after the bye week. 

Again, he is what he is. Have run with it and just prey other teams make more mistakes against our top defense.