1 hour ago, Kz! said:

I don't think saying his 2024 season is just as good as his 2022 season is accurate at all.

One thing that is constant, there was just as much complaining about Hurts in 2022 as there is now. He wasn't good enough then for many posters, either. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

It sure beats giving him 8 seconds to throw. 

My take on the game is that Moore failed to adjust the play-calling accordingly once Hurts was seeing pressure on every pass attempt. I'm not sure why so many people here are afraid of losing him to a HC opening. What exactly in this playoff game did we get from Moore? A trick tush push and 1 play action pass?

I think its the fact that just about every single year we have a new OC instead of consistency at that position....THAT is what I think people are afraid of....

19 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

I think its the fact that just about every single year we have a new OC instead of consistency at that position....THAT is what I think people are afraid of....

I am afraid of Sirianni calling the plays. 

45 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

One thing that is constant, there was just as much complaining about Hurts in 2022 as there is now. He wasn't good enough then for many posters, either. 

To be fair there wasn’t much complaining about Hurts in 2022. He was putting up such big numbers and winning so much it was impossible. A few posters had to eat some crow after saying all offseason that he sucked and they would rather have any of the rookies in the draft over him. 

49 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

One thing that is constant, there was just as much complaining about Hurts in 2022 as there is now. He wasn't good enough then for many posters, either. 

that's absolutely false.

People who wanted him gone after 2021 were surprised by his growth and impressed with his 2022 season. There are always the few on either extreme, and some have always been critical. But he won a lot of people over in 2022.

Even this season, some of his biggest haters have admitted when he's played well in games and said if he plays like that, we can beat anybody.

There are always these false narratives about how posters on here react to things and people rewrite history to suit their narrative. 

Yup, after he threw for less than 200 yards in each playoff game that year, everyone on here was completely happy, just like they are now. 

12 minutes ago, NOTW said:

that's absolutely false.

There are always these false narratives about how posters on here react to things and people rewrite history to suit their narrative. 

Completely untrue. The false narratives about poster reactions were way worse in 2020 than they are now.

Between Saquan taking the GB Defense's attention, GB's questionable and banged up Secondary, the OL's good protection, and our very strong top three Receivers, Hurts should have had an easy time going for 250 yards (or more).  The Pittsburg game showed us that he's capable of being the QB that we'd like to see.  And we all remember how good his deep ball can be.  We've seen  hit A.J.  We've seen him hit Smith.  I'm tired of hearing ANALysts tell me that there's nothing wrong.  I don't claim to know what it is, but there's something there.

26 minutes ago, NOTW said:

that's absolutely false.

People who wanted him gone after 2021 were surprised by his growth and impressed with his 2022 season. There are always the few on either extreme, and some have always been critical. But he won a lot of people over in 2022.

Even this season, some of his biggest haters have admitted when he's played well in games and said if he plays like that, we can beat anybody.

There are always these false narratives about how posters on here react to things and people rewrite history to suit their narrative. 

I can agree that he won a number of fans over, but there's still a lot of unfair criticism that he constantly receives, even from the "supporters."   I saw a ton of people that I'd consider somewhat objective, and even they were complaining about Hurts in the playoff game.  Now that tape has come out proving that he wasn't as bad as everyone made him out to be, their criticism has softened some.  

1 minute ago, ilikepargo said:

Between Saquan taking the GB Defense's attention, GB's questionable and banged up Secondary, the OL's good protection, and our very strong top three Receivers, Hurts should have had an easy time going for 250 yards (or more).  The Pittsburg game showed us that he's capable of being the QB that we'd like to see.  And we all remember how good his deep ball can be.  We've seen  hit A.J.  We've seen him hit Smith.  I'm tired of hearing ANALysts tell me that there's nothing wrong.  I don't claim to know what it is, but there's something there.

 

It's the plays they run.  If GB is gonna sit back in a zone, then attack the weak spots in that zone.  Also, the lack of run plays called at times was pretty mindboggling, Barkley only had 9 carries in the first half, that's absurd.  

Hurts isn't free from blame, he def has a tendency to not throw the ball away and takes an unnecessary sack/loss at times.  He also has had moments where there were players that were actually open, and he didn't pull the trigger.

37 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I can agree that he won a number of fans over, but there's still a lot of unfair criticism that he constantly receives, even from the "supporters."   I saw a ton of people that I'd consider somewhat objective, and even they were complaining about Hurts in the playoff game.  Now that tape has come out proving that he wasn't as bad as everyone made him out to be, their criticism has softened some.  

That's not what I was talking about. In 2022 it was his best season, there not "just as many" complaints about him then as there are this season.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

That's not what I was talking about. In 2022 it was his best season, there not "just as many" complaints about him then as there are this season.

I don't disagree with you.  I just rambled on a bit about how I feel he's unfairly criticized. 

Just now, MF POON said:

I don't disagree with you.  I just rambled on a bit about how I feel he's unfairly criticized. 

Yeah I've said that awhile now. And I'm critical of him when it's warranted, but also like to be objective and realistic and note his strengths and successes as well. We've had QB debates for decades where people just dig their heels into a viewpoint and aren't really objective about it.

4 hours ago, Captain F said:

If I was the opposing defensive coordinator, I'd blitz on every single play. 

this...we cant beat it

5 hours ago, Captain F said:

If I was the opposing defensive coordinator, I'd blitz on every single play. 

59 minutes ago, CTEagles said:

this...we cant beat it

Hurts had a 111.4 QB rating vs. Packers. https://static.www.nfl.com/gamecenter/341a76e0-cbd8-11ef-88ab-663bf7d456c2.pdf

 

1 hour ago, toolg said:

Hurts had a 111.4 QB rating vs. Packers. https://static.www.nfl.com/gamecenter/341a76e0-cbd8-11ef-88ab-663bf7d456c2.pdf

 

Is that considered good? Not even joking, I lose track of the different metrics people use to gauge QB play.

If so, it's funny that the stats can say he played a good game when I think the entirety of the NFL fanbase watching the game would say the Eagles won despite Hurts, not because of him. 

Make of this what you will:  Hurts is the only QB left in the playoffs who was not a first round pick -- Matthew Stafford (No. 1), Jared Goff (No. 1), C.J. Stroud (No. 2), Jayden Daniels (No. 2), Josh Allen (No. 7), Patrick Mahomes (No. 10), Lamar Jackson (No. 32), Jalen Hurts (No. 53).

2 minutes ago, BayAreaLennie said:

Make of this what you will:  Hurts is the only QB left in the playoffs who was not a first round pick -- Matthew Stafford (No. 1), Jared Goff (No. 1), C.J. Stroud (No. 2), Jayden Daniels (No. 2), Josh Allen (No. 7), Patrick Mahomes (No. 10), Lamar Jackson (No. 32), Jalen Hurts (No. 53).

The guy loves to prove his doubters wrong.

25 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The guy loves to prove his doubters wrong.

He also has the most talent around him out of every team he listed. 

7 hours ago, GeorgeM37 said:

I think its the fact that just about every single year we have a new OC instead of consistency at that position....THAT is what I think people are afraid of....

Obviously that isn't ideal, but the truth is, and you can read all about it here on the EMB, many fans hate Sirianni and are grasping for any reason they can find to justify firing him. Moore just happens to be the latest OC and they went "all in" on the:

"If _____ happens with the offense, we should just let Nick go and keep Kellen since Nick doesn't do anything."

But I just don't see anything really special about Moore's offense yet. We're winning games and that's all I care about. I wouldn't want the guy to lose his job. But if some team thinks our offense is light years better than last year's offense and wants to roll with Moore as their new HC, I'm not really going to be all that upset about replacing him. We didn't make the kind of leaps on offense that we did on defense. We added a little more motion, but haven't really done anything with it. There's little doubt in my mind that we can promote from within and keep the concepts and verbiage the same and continue to grow. 

I expect Moore to get interviews, but I'll honestly be shocked if he gets a HC gig solely based on the Eagles' offense this year. Maybe Jerry will really botch things with a high profile candidate and Moore would be his fallback --- that's the only way I see him as a HC in 2025. 

14 minutes ago, MagicMoment said:

He also has the most talent around him out of every team he listed. 

That's subjective. But even if you wanted to pretend it was a concrete fact, guys like Brown and Barkley wanted to come here and play with him. Brown, Smith and Goedert all signed extensions to keep playing with him. It's not like we've been drafting guys that couldn't wait to get out. There are a lot of talented players in the NFL and quite a few that would love to play here with Jalen. So when you say this team has the most talent --- well Jalen is a big reason for that as well as being part of the talent.

Moore better f'in show up next week. Im confident in Hurts executing the gameplan. That falls on Moore coming up with some sh.t that moves the ball.

1 hour ago, EagleMatt said:

Moore better f'in show up next week. Im confident in Hurts executing the gameplan. That falls on Moore coming up with some sh.t that moves the ball.

All we need is quicker in-game adjustments. Listen, if the line is struggling in pass protection, it's not really Moore's fault. But, he absolutely needs to make adjustments to the game plan. It's a little frustrating watching teams for years switch up to a quick-pass approach to neutralize our pass rush, but we haven't deployed that concept offensively against other teams since before we drafted Wentz. It may not be what we "want" to do, but sometimes you just have to take what's there and try to move the chains that way. 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

That's subjective. But even if you wanted to pretend it was a concrete fact, guys like Brown and Barkley wanted to come here and play with him. Brown, Smith and Goedert all signed extensions to keep playing with him. It's not like we've been drafting guys that couldn't wait to get out. There are a lot of talented players in the NFL and quite a few that would love to play here with Jalen. So when you say this team has the most talent --- well Jalen is a big reason for that as well as being part of the talent.

It’s not subjective. Eagles have the best offensive line, running back, and receiver duo left in the playoffs. 
 

AJ Brown was traded here, hardly WANTING to come here. Saquon came for his own reasons, likely to give it to the Giants twice a year. Deny all you want, Jalen is the 3rd best QB in the division. He’s absolutely a key piece in our running scheme but an extremely limited passer in most instances.