12 minutes ago, MagicMoment said:

It’s not subjective. Eagles have the best offensive line, running back, and receiver duo left in the playoffs. 
 

AJ Brown was traded here, hardly WANTING to come here. Saquon came for his own reasons, likely to give it to the Giants twice a year. Deny all you want, Jalen is the 3rd best QB in the division. He’s absolutely a key piece in our running scheme but an extremely limited passer in most instances. 

Best WR duo? Ours is pretty good, but Kupp and Nacua have more accomplishments. Both those guys have been all-pros and been voted into the pro bowl. Smith has yet to do either. And there are other teams with talented duos around the league. It's actually getting pretty common. I do believe Barkley is the best RB, but there are still plenty of really good ones like Kyren Williams. Detroit has St. Brown and Wiiliams at WR and two very good RBs (Gibbs is elite) and an O-line pretty much equal to ours. They also have a rookie TE as good as Goedert that stays healthy. 

And yes, AJ Brown "wanted" to come here and wants to be here:

 

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

That's subjective. But even if you wanted to pretend it was a concrete fact, guys like Brown and Barkley wanted to come here and play with him. Brown, Smith and Goedert all signed extensions to keep playing with him. It's not like we've been drafting guys that couldn't wait to get out. There are a lot of talented players in the NFL and quite a few that would love to play here with Jalen. So when you say this team has the most talent --- well Jalen is a big reason for that as well as being part of the talent.

Right. Plus AJ didn’t exceed 1,100 yards in his time with the Titans. He got close to 1500 in both his first seasons with the Eagles so basically took the step up to elite with Hurts. 
No doubting Barkley’s talent but he benefits so much from the O-Line and the threat of Hurts as a runner/passer. 

Kinda surprised to hear Orlovsky say anything complimentary about Hurts.

 

25 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Kinda surprised to hear Orlovsky say anything complimentary about Hurts.

 

 

Dan is usually pretty fair/objective imo. It's Chase Daniel that really dislikes Hurts game.  Orlovsky's take was pretty spot on too. The pass plays that were called didn't take advantage of the zone def, nor help Hurts out when GB blitzed.  I expect KM to get it together sunday.

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

Kinda surprised to hear Orlovsky say anything complimentary about Hurts.

 

 

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

Dan is usually pretty fair/objective imo. It's Chase Daniel that really dislikes Hurts game.  Orlovsky's take was pretty spot on too. The pass plays that were called didn't take advantage of the zone def, nor help Hurts out when GB blitzed.  I expect KM to get it together sunday.

I think most people know I defend Hurts a fair amount. But I think he deserves his share of blame for a poor passing game on Sunday. Moore’s scheme certainly didn’t help him.

What I will say is that he turned it on when he needed to. Packers draw it back to 10-3 , Hurts marches the team down to put the Eagles back up 13. Green Bay answers with a TD. Hurts takes nearly 8 minutes off the clock in the 4th and makes it a 2 score game 

48 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

I think most people know I defend Hurts a fair amount. But I think he deserves his share of blame for a poor passing game on Sunday. Moore’s scheme certainly didn’t help him.

What I will say is that he turned it on when he needed to. Packers draw it back to 10-3 , Hurts marches the team down to put the Eagles back up 13. Green Bay answers with a TD. Hurts takes nearly 8 minutes off the clock in the 4th and makes it a 2 score game 

I think criticism is fine, as my biggest criticism was him not throwing the ball away when he needs to.  I don't mind him not taking risks when the offense has a lead, and the defense is playing well.  An ugly dominant win is still a win, and I don't need to see him throw for 300 Yds and 3 TDs. I'll take pedestrian numbers from him and a 12 point win every time.

And yeah, this offense seems to answer when they need to.  They don't blow teams out, but they squash any hope a team has of a comeback. 

16 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Best WR duo? Ours is pretty good, but Kupp and Nacua have more accomplishments. Both those guys have been all-pros and been voted into the pro bowl. Smith has yet to do either. And there are other teams with talented duos around the league. It's actually getting pretty common. I do believe Barkley is the best RB, but there are still plenty of really good ones like Kyren Williams. Detroit has St. Brown and Wiiliams at WR and two very good RBs (Gibbs is elite) and an O-line pretty much equal to ours. They also have a rookie TE as good as Goedert that stays healthy. 

And yes, AJ Brown "wanted" to come here and wants to be here:

 

Cooper Kupp is washed, look at his last two months. Hes only a blocking presence for Puka. He’s also likely not back in LA next year Try again. 

7 minutes ago, time2rock said:

And this is why we are lucky to have him. His sole focus is doing what he needs to do for the team to win. 

He’s taken so much abuse on this board. But the only game the Eagles have lost since the bye is the game he was knocked out of in the first quarter. 
 

On 1/14/2025 at 6:09 PM, EagleMatt said:

Moore better f'in show up next week. Im confident in Hurts executing the gameplan. That falls on Moore coming up with some sh.t that moves the ball.

Moore is too busy interviewing for new jobs to do his current job. 

Hurts was good. It looked like the OC provided limited opportunities, limited scheme, limited concepts. The most important thing is that Hurts didn't hurt the team. ZERO turnovers. That's big.

Hurts will get so much abuse/criticism this week from fans/the media.

Some of it will be justified, some will not.

For what it’s worth, he is now joint second with Foles in respect of playoff wins for a starting Eagles QB. 

Not turning over the ball is good, but how about just throwing the frickin ball away and not taking sacks?

 

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts will get so much abuse/criticism this week from fans/the media.

Some of it will be justified, some will not.

For what it’s worth, he is now joint second with Foles in respect of playoff wins for a starting Eagles QB. 

Hurts passing last week: 13-21-131-2TDs passing --- Fans: "awful game"

Josh Allen passing  today: 16-22-127-0TDs --- Fans: "Brilliant!!!"

31 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Not turning over the ball is good, but how about just throwing the frickin ball away and not taking sacks?

 

 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Hurts passing last week: 13-21-131-2TDs passing --- Fans: "awful game"

Josh Allen passing  today: 16-22-127-0TDs --- Fans: "Brilliant!!!"

Josh Allen did what he needed to do and he won the game. Whereas Jalen well he… oh wait no he did too 😊😉.

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Hurts passing last week: 13-21-131-2TDs passing --- Fans: "awful game"

Josh Allen passing  today: 16-22-127-0TDs --- Fans: "Brilliant!!!"

So much this. No doubt hurts needs to still improve. Mostly about getting the ball out even if throwing it away. If Smith does get hit in the head and drop it and AJ doesn’t drop it and Geodert play isn’t called back because of Becton he’d have been 18 of 20 for 250+ yards. Those missed plays were not his failures. People need to ease up and realize he’s still 26 and they are going to the second nfc championship in 3 years.  He is a crucial part of making that happen.

12 minutes ago, proveagle said:

So much this. No doubt hurts needs to still improve. Mostly about getting the ball out even if throwing it away. If Smith does get hit in the head and drop it and AJ doesn’t drop it and Geodert play isn’t called back because of Becton he’d have been 18 of 20 for 250+ yards. Those missed plays were not his failures. People need to ease up and realize he’s still 26 and they are going to the second nfc championship in 3 years.  He is a crucial part of making that happen.

And this is the thing… Hurts can both have helped his team win the game and also need to be better. He made some big plays with his legs and he also had some drops / penalties that took yards away. He isn’t turning the ball over and with this defense that’s a big deal. Yes there’s very much a discussion to be had about why he is struggling so much in the pass game. Yes there’s a need for improvement. And do I think they will win next week if he struggles like that again? Honestly no. But if he doesn’t turn the ball over then with Saquon and this defense we still have a chance.

To go back to AJ’s quote after the Panthers game. The issue can really be summed up by saying "passing”. Now before a certain contingent loses their minds, I’m also going to bring up AJ’s clarification. That’s receivers and the blocking as well. 
 

AJ can’t have the two crucial drops he had in those spots. Smitty caught the passes he was asked to aside from one he got illegally hit on. 
 

Also, I love our O-Line, but at times, they left a lot to be desired in pass protection. Some of those sacks are on Hurts, but sometimes the protection breaks down too quick. The illegal man down field calls once a game seem to crush us as well. 
 

This is not an either/or thing. Many parts are contributing to that part of the offense. It’s not just Hurts. 

Why the long developing plays when the rams pass rush was feasting? I assume that's on moore?  Is moore setting up notion we will keep trying to throw deep, which results in the D giving barkley space to run when his numbers called? 

 

19 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Why the long developing plays when the rams pass rush was feasting? I assume that's on moore?  Is moore setting up notion we will keep trying to throw deep, which results in the D giving barkley space to run when his numbers called? 

 

That's how you game an offense. You pull them in to the line of scrimmage and get them cheating down hill and then you abuse them over the top or overload one side and get Saquon into the secondary and watch him take it to the house. This offense has so many ways to beat you.

If anything, I would like to see more downhill running when we are trying to ice the game. It's great when we see something and can break one but in 4 minute situations we need more downhill power running to close out the last few minutes. It may not be pretty but mauling 4 to 5 yard runs will ice the game. Open a gap, send in a pulling guard or a FB and plow a hole for four yards.

 

33 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

That's how you game an offense. You pull them in to the line of scrimmage and get them cheating down hill and then you abuse them over the top or overload one side and get Saquon into the secondary and watch him take it to the house. This offense has so many ways to beat you.

If anything, I would like to see more downhill running when we are trying to ice the game. It's great when we see something and can break one but in 4 minute situations we need more downhill power running to close out the last few minutes. It may not be pretty but mauling 4 to 5 yard runs will ice the game. Open a gap, send in a pulling guard or a FB and plow a hole for four yards.

 

Yeah I know this seems ridiculous to say given that Barkley went for 200 yards and 2 scores, but the running game wasn’t as efficient as it can be. Outside of the long TD runs, Barkley was 24 for 65 yards. Less than 3 yards a carry. Barkley is incredible, but the rams were mostly doing a good job on keying the run. That’s why I didn’t mind the pass play to try and ice it. Could have done with a better call and execution though.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Hurts passing last week: 13-21-131-2TDs passing --- Fans: "awful game"

Josh Allen passing  today: 16-22-127-0TDs --- Fans: "Brilliant!!!"

You stole my thunder ... I had been planning to post the same (except use Hurts' stats from yesterday's game in the comparison.

Hurts: 15-20-128-0 TDs passing --- 7-70-1 TD rushing

Allen: 16-22-127-0TDs passing --- 10-20-2 TDs rushing

Hurts gets crushed for his performance while Allen gets praised for his and the stats show why he is the MVP frontrunner.  

  

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

You stole my thunder ... I had been planning to post the same (except use Hurts' stats from yesterday's game in the comparison.

Hurts: 15-20-128-0 TDs passing --- 7-70-1 TD rushing

Allen: 16-22-127-0TDs passing --- 10-20-2 TDs rushing

Hurts gets crushed for his performance while Allen gets praised for his and the stats show why he is the MVP frontrunner.  

  

If you take Allen’s name out of that stat line and asked people to guess I guarantee that most would say it’s Jalen. And Jalen gets crushed for posting those kind of numbers. We all know Jalen needs to be better but he also wins.

Just a reminder that we had 285 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs and Barkley had the lowest YPC average at only 7.9. 

 

But hey, we should throw more ...