3 hours ago, time2rock said:

You stole my thunder ... I had been planning to post the same (except use Hurts' stats from yesterday's game in the comparison.

Hurts: 15-20-128-0 TDs passing --- 7-70-1 TD rushing

Allen: 16-22-127-0TDs passing --- 10-20-2 TDs rushing

Hurts gets crushed for his performance while Allen gets praised for his and the stats show why he is the MVP frontrunner.  

  

There are some QBs with more impressive passing stats...sitting at home watching these QBs teams win playoff games.

*I do want to see more passing, and throw the ball away instead of take sacks. But just making the point how other QBs with similar numbers & people say "found a way to win!"

If you consider Hurts lost 63 yards to sacks then he only generated 60 net yards.

Now I hear he looks like he's not fully recovered from his concussion and it's affecting his decision making. I believe Roob said this last night. If so, It's McKee time.

6 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

If you consider Hurts lost 63 yards to sacks then he only generated 60 net yards.

Don't forget those two points he scored for the other team.

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

*I do want to see more passing, and throw the ball away instead of take sacks.

This is my thought process as well, but ig I got seen as one of the "Hurts haters" for saying it (which is ironic because I like and have defended Hurts before by posting the incredible stuff he's capable of). 

 

3 minutes ago, Eagles_ftw said:

This is my thought process as well, but ig I got seen as one of the "Hurts haters" for saying it (which is ironic because I like and have defended Hurts before by posting the incredible stuff he's capable of). 

 

That's some basic QB stuff there. My guess is he was working to not turn the ball over so he's holding onto the ball and doesn't want to risk a fumble. Part of that is coaching and work in practice, part mental for him.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

That's some basic QB stuff there. My guess is he was working to not turn the ball over so he's holding onto the ball and doesn't want to risk a fumble. Part of that is coaching and work in practice, part mental for him.

I mean does kinda make sense, although ironically he damn near had a fumble in the game last night as a result of not throwing it away (I think Gainwell jumped on it iirc) so the dude really has to get this crap sorted out cause honestly he's been in the league long enough to not still be taking these preventable sacks.

I still think there's something not right. When he was speaking after the win on the field, he sounded like he had a concussion. In the past, I don't remember him being so jumbled up. Ever since he was out from the last concussion he seems more spaced.

The analysts and talking heads on Josh Allen praising him while saying the Ravens lost the game more than the Bills won. Allen didn't do much but played smart and didn't turn the ball over. 

This defense has been generating 3 TOs on average every game to bail out the offense. Its a historic pace and its not sustainable.

1 hour ago, jsdarkstar said:

Now I hear he looks like he's not fully recovered from his concussion and it's affecting his decision making. I believe Roob said this last night. If so, It's McKee time.

I doubt the concussion was a problem.  He was clearly high on pain meds.  His mobility going forward is a much bigger concern.

Usual suspects comparing Hurts to Allen

Sounds like tomorrow we'll have a better idea of Hurts' status for the NFCCG.  I'd be shocked if he doesn't play - he had, after all, "finished the game" on Sunday following the injury.  

 

Nick Sirianni on Jalen Hurts and Quinyon Mitchell: We’ll see as week goes on

The Eagles had a couple of key players pick up injuries in Sunday’s win over the Rams and head coach Nick Sirianni didn’t have much of an update on either one during a Monday press conference.

Quarterback Jalen Hurts hurt his left knee and made a brief trip to the sideline medical tent, but did not miss any snaps. He said after the win that "I finished the game’ when asked how he was feeling.

Cornerback Quinyon Mitchell did not return after injuring his shoulder, but said after the game that he felt he would be OK. Sirianni said that the team will know more about both players in the coming days.

"We’ll have more information for you,” Sirianni said. "Obviously still going through the process of the day here. I know those guys will do everything they can to do be at the top part of their game on Sunday. I’m confident in our training staff and I’m confident in those guys. We’ll see how that goes as this week goes on.”

The Eagles will release their first injury report of the week after practice on Wednesday.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nick-sirianni-on-jalen-hurts-and-quinyon-mitchell-well-see-as-week-goes-on

17 hours ago, NOTW said:

The analysts and talking heads on Josh Allen praising him while saying the Ravens lost the game more than the Bills won. Allen didn't do much but played smart and didn't turn the ball over. 

Thats cool. But The Bills are essentially a one man show with Allen. Hurts has  one of if the not most talented  offenses in the NFL and  cant even crack a 100 yards passing.

17 hours ago, opa-opa said:

This defense has been generating 3 TOs on average every game to bail out the offense. Its a historic pace and its not sustainable.

 Yup.  The offense isn't pulling its weignt and thats on Jalen Hurts.

55 minutes ago, Swimm said:

Thats cool. But The Bills are essentially a one man show with Allen. Hurts has  one of if the not most talented  offenses in the NFL and  cant even crack a 100 yards passing.

Maybe that's just because they don't need to throw for 300 yards to win.  They seem to have a winning formula ... run the ball (really well), stop the run, win the turnover battle, play good defense.  It has led to 14 wins in the past 15 games so why sway from what has been working?  

37 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Maybe that's just because they don't need to throw for 300 yards to win.  They seem to have a winning formula ... run the ball (really well), stop the run, play good defense.  It has led to 14 wins in the past 15 games so why sway from what has been working?  

They haven't needed to, yet.  But the bigger question is: can they do it if needed?  When one of the best, if not the best, things you can say about Hurts lately is that he's not turning the ball over, that's....not good.

Hurts' overall play has been mediocre.  The fact the team can win given how he has played is a testament to the entire rest of the team.  Amazing, really.

That said, if Hurts' mobility is limited this week and Washington doesn't have to respect his running, that's gonna take away the one thing he has going for him and will impact Saquon's effectiveness as well.  We may be forced to find out if he can, in fact, throw for over 300 yards and win a game with his arm. 

 

39 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

They haven't needed to, yet.  But the bigger question is: can they do it if needed?  When one of the best, if not the best, things you can say about Hurts lately is that he's not turning the ball over, that's....not good.

Hurts' overall play has been mediocre.  The fact the team can win given how he has played is a testament to the entire rest of the team.  Amazing, really.

That said, if Hurts' mobility is limited this week and Washington doesn't have to respect his running, that's gonna take away the one thing he has going for him and will impact Saquon's effectiveness as well.  We may be forced to find out if he can, in fact, throw for over 300 yards and win a game with his arm. 

This was a hot topic of conversation not that long ago (following the Carolina game).  How did we respond?

Hurts:  25-32-290 2 TDs 0 INTs

I too have been thinking we are likely going to have to rely more on the passing game this upcoming weekend.  Hurts is likely to be limited (not as mobile) - you can bet Washington's defense is going to gameplan to shut Barkley down.  Let's hope Hurts responds in a similar fashion as he did against the Steelers if forced to do so.  

5 minutes ago, time2rock said:

This was a hot topic of conversation not that long ago (following the Carolina game).  How did we respond?

Hurts:  25-32-290 2 TDs 0 INTs

I too have been thinking we are likely going to have to rely more on the passing game this upcoming weekend.  Hurts is likely to be limited (not as mobile) - you can bet Washington's defense is going to gameplan to shut Barkley down.  Let's hope Hurts responds in a similar fashion as he did against the Steelers if forced to do so.  

Still didn't get the 300 

I hear ya though. Yeah, Barkley will be the focus for Washington for sure.  Hurts is either gonna have to show that he can run to make them respect it or he's gonna need to throw the ball much better than he has been.  It's also really odd...telling?...that AJ Brown hasn't been involved.  Seems likely he is bothered by the knee.  So we could have both Hurts and Brown playing with an ailing knee.  Not ideal, particularly if we have to keep pace with a suddenly explosive Washington offense.  Hoping the D can slow them down, but true dual threats like Daniels are difficult to defend.

12 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

Still didn't get the 300 
 

 

12 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

I hear ya though. Yeah, Barkley will be the focus for Washington for sure.  Hurts is either gonna have to show that he can run to make them respect it or he's gonna need to throw the ball much better than he has been.  It's also really odd...telling?...that AJ Brown hasn't been involved.  Seems likely he is bothered by the knee.  So we could have both Hurts and Brown playing with an ailing knee.  Not ideal, particularly if we have to keep pace with a suddenly explosive Washington offense.  Hoping the D can slow them down, but true dual threats like Daniels are difficult to defend.

No doubt Washington has been red hot.  While watching the Lions-Commanders game, I began thinking maybe it was better for the Lions to win.  Since we are playing Washington, need our defense to want to avenge that sheet performance (really only 4th Q) from the last time we played them and a solid game plan on offense, especially if Hurts and Brown are both limited.  Fingers crossed we take care of business to survive another week and then those that are banged up will have an extra week of rest to heal up.  

Some of you "fans" don't deserve this team. Like Bill Bellichek said.... teams have been built to defend the pass, if you have a great oline with a good to great RB, you will have success running the ball. If you have an elite oline with an elite RB, you get what we're witnessing now.

14 minutes ago, time2rock said:

 

No doubt Washington has been red hot.  While watching the Lions-Commanders game, I began thinking maybe it was better for the Lions to win.  Since we are playing Washington, need our defense to want to avenge that sheet performance (really only 4th Q) from the last time we played them and a solid game plan on offense, especially if Hurts and Brown are both limited.  Fingers crossed we take care of business to survive another week and then those that are banged up will have an extra week of rest to heal up.  

Imo Wash benefited from a depleted Lions secondary. And Goff having one of his off games. Honestly no idea why the Lions went away from Gibbs, he was gashing them. I believe he was averaging over 7yd per carry. Instead of running the ball and protecting your D, they tried to win in a shoot out.

18 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

Imo Wash benefited from a depleted Lions secondary. And Goff having one of his off games. Honestly no idea why the Lions went away from Gibbs, he was gashing them. I believe he was averaging over 7yd per carry. Instead of running the ball and protecting your D, they tried to win in a shoot out.

The turnovers definitely doomed the Lions, especially the pick-6.  Then the INT at the end of the first half where it looked like Detroit was going to score again.  

Eagles will be able to run on Washington IF Hurts can show that his knee is okay enough to be a threat.  If not, Washington will surely focus everything on Barkley and make Hurts prove he can beat them with his arm.

Gibbs was gashing them because they knew Goff could kill them through the air with St. Brown, Williams and LaPorta...they still had to respect it.  

2 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

Still didn't get the 300 

I hear ya though. Yeah, Barkley will be the focus for Washington for sure.  Hurts is either gonna have to show that he can run to make them respect it or he's gonna need to throw the ball much better than he has been.  It's also really odd...telling?...that AJ Brown hasn't been involved.  Seems likely he is bothered by the knee.  So we could have both Hurts and Brown playing with an ailing knee.  Not ideal, particularly if we have to keep pace with a suddenly explosive Washington offense.  Hoping the D can slow them down, but true dual threats like Daniels are difficult to defend.

It's hard to look at such low QB numbers, and we expect more with the talent they have. But he did throw for over 300 once this year (311), noteworthy that AJ Brown did not play that game (Goedert had a huge game plus Smitty, even Parris Campbell and Dotson had catches). They barely won 15-12. In the opener vs GB he threw for 278, vs Browns 264 and the 290 against the Steelers who are a good defense. 

When he was throwing around 250, fans weren't happy because of turnovers or other mistakes. When they leaned on the run more and Hurts tried not to do too much in the passing game they were winning. And not just scraping by either. They're a tough physical team that wears the other team out, then Barkley seals the game with a big run somewhere in the 4th quarter that kills the momentum of the other team. Fans were expecting losses or close, ugly wins against the stronger teams. After the bye, they convincingly beat the Bengals, Cowboys, Commanders the first game, Rams, Ravens and Steelers. They also had larger margins including that first Cowboys game and the first Giants game. 

Last year we saw the ugly wins and the issues and then the collapse. Hurts had 4 games of 300+ yards and several that were just under 300. Everyone acknowledges his 2022 "MVP" season was great...he actually threw for more yards and passing TDs in 2023, it's just that he had more turnovers. 

Now, it would be great if he could throw more and we get more out of the passing game AND not turn the ball over. I have no doubt there are other QBs that would produce more passing numbers with this offense. But if the coaches are working with what they have, and their formula for winning the game (the only real thing that matters) is less passing stats but more efficient play and grind out the run game and strong defense, then great. We'll see if that works in the next 2 games.

My biggest complaint currently is him taking sacks instead of throwing the ball away, resulting in negative yardage.

22 minutes ago, NOTW said:

It's hard to look at such low QB numbers, and we expect more with the talent they have. But he did throw for over 300 once this year (311), noteworthy that AJ Brown did not play that game (Goedert had a huge game plus Smitty, even Parris Campbell and Dotson had catches). They barely won 15-12. In the opener vs GB he threw for 278, vs Browns 264 and the 290 against the Steelers who are a good defense. 

When he was throwing around 250, fans weren't happy because of turnovers or other mistakes. When they leaned on the run more and Hurts tried not to do too much in the passing game they were winning. And not just scraping by either. They're a tough physical team that wears the other team out, then Barkley seals the game with a big run somewhere in the 4th quarter that kills the momentum of the other team. Fans were expecting losses or close, ugly wins against the stronger teams. After the bye, they convincingly beat the Bengals, Cowboys, Commanders the first game, Rams, Ravens and Steelers. They also had larger margins including that first Cowboys game and the first Giants game. 

Last year we saw the ugly wins and the issues and then the collapse. Hurts had 4 games of 300+ yards and several that were just under 300. Everyone acknowledges his 2022 "MVP" season was great...he actually threw for more yards and passing TDs in 2023, it's just that he had more turnovers. 

Now, it would be great if he could throw more and we get more out of the passing game AND not turn the ball over. I have no doubt there are other QBs that would produce more passing numbers with this offense. But if the coaches and working with what they have and a formula for winning the game (the only real thing that matters) is less passing stats but more efficient play and grind out the run game and strong defense, then great. We'll see if that works in the next 2 games.

My biggest complaint currently is him taking sacks instead of throwing the ball away, resulting in negative yardage.

Many of the sacks he takes are so infuriating.  And I can't tell if he's just holding it too long because he needs to "see it" before throwing, or if the OL is breaking down too fast, or if the play calling never gives him a hot read.  Prob a combo of all 3...but man, so frustrating.