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Plane Crash in Northeast Philly

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39 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

 

 

Oh man, you know this has NASA's fingerprints all over it!

Not this accident but I read an accident report from a few years ago about a Mexican airplane. The airplane and pilot records were "interesting". Things seemed a little "casual" as far as maintenance and pilot training. That's in line with the reputation of airplanes purchased out of Mexico. We'll see what the NTSB finds but it'll likely take 18 months to 2 years for the final report. The rudder hard-over is an interesting thought. B737s had a similar problem that would cause them to roll but the Boeing system was hydraulic and it had to be really cold to fail, I'm pretty sure the Learjet yaw damper is electric.

11 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Not this accident but I read an accident report from a few years ago about a Mexican airplane. The airplane and pilot records were "interesting". Things seemed a little "casual" as far as maintenance and pilot training. That's in line with the reputation of airplanes purchased out of Mexico. We'll see what the NTSB finds but it'll likely take 18 months to 2 years for the final report. The rudder hard-over is an interesting thought. B737s had a similar problem that would cause them to roll but the Boeing system was hydraulic and it had to be really cold to fail, I'm pretty sure the Learjet yaw damper is electric.

I've watched all of "Mayday" aka "Air Crash Investigation" and that happens all over with small airlines that are on the edge between profit and loss. They cut corners to save money, then when a big crash happens, they go out of business. 

Watch that show and you'll never want to fly again. 

15 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I've watched all of "Mayday" aka "Air Crash Investigation" and that happens all over with small airlines that are on the edge between profit and loss. They cut corners to save money, then when a big crash happens, they go out of business. 

Watch that show and you'll never want to fly again. 

I love that show, and while I love flying too, I get more bothered by things that happen out of the pilots control. Design flaws, piss poor maintenance, ect. Of course there is plenty of pilot error too. 

No TSA head, FAA head, and thousand of Air Traffic Controllers fired, what do people expect. Planes are falling out of the sky. This will only get worse, not better. 

 

  • Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy and Elon Musk squabbled during a cabinet meeting at the White House on Thursday, sources told the New York Times. Duffy was reportedly frustrated that Musk and DOGE had tried to cut air traffic control employees. Duffy also rebuffed Musk’s claim that air traffic controllers were hired from DEI initiatives.

Elon Musk and Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy reportedly had a testy exchange in a White House meeting Thursday about the conditions of the Federal Aviation Administration’s equipment and its air traffic controllers, according to the New York Times.

Duffy said the DOGE team was trying to lay off air traffic controllers, and asked what he was supposed to do while dealing with multiple recent plane crashes.

In January, 67 people died after an American Airlines flight collided in midair with a military Black Hawk helicopter over the Potomac River near Washington, D.C. In February, an air ambulance crashed in Philadelphia shortly after takeoff, killing seven, and two small planes collided in midair over southern Arizona, killing two.

 

Musk called Duffy’s comments about layoffs a "lie,” sources told the Times. Duffy maintained his stance, saying he heard from the DOGE team directly.

Musk demanded the names of people who had been fired, prompting Duffy to fire back that there were no names because he blocked the terminations.

Duffy also rebuffed Musk’s claim that people hired from diversity, equity, and inclusion programs were working in control towers.

The interchange concluded with President Donald Trump telling Duffy that he needed to hire M.I.T. graduates as air traffic controllers, saying they need to be "geniuses,” the report said.

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    1 hour ago, jsdarkstar said:

    No TSA head, FAA head, and thousand of Air Traffic Controllers fired, what do people expect. Planes are falling out of the sky. This will only get worse, not better. 

     

    • Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy and Elon Musk squabbled during a cabinet meeting at the White House on Thursday, sources told the New York Times. Duffy was reportedly frustrated that Musk and DOGE had tried to cut air traffic control employees. Duffy also rebuffed Musk’s claim that air traffic controllers were hired from DEI initiatives.

    Elon Musk and Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy reportedly had a testy exchange in a White House meeting Thursday about the conditions of the Federal Aviation Administration’s equipment and its air traffic controllers, according to the New York Times.

    Duffy said the DOGE team was trying to lay off air traffic controllers, and asked what he was supposed to do while dealing with multiple recent plane crashes.

    In January, 67 people died after an American Airlines flight collided in midair with a military Black Hawk helicopter over the Potomac River near Washington, D.C. In February, an air ambulance crashed in Philadelphia shortly after takeoff, killing seven, and two small planes collided in midair over southern Arizona, killing two.

     

    Musk called Duffy’s comments about layoffs a "lie,” sources told the Times. Duffy maintained his stance, saying he heard from the DOGE team directly.

    Musk demanded the names of people who had been fired, prompting Duffy to fire back that there were no names because he blocked the terminations.

    Duffy also rebuffed Musk’s claim that people hired from diversity, equity, and inclusion programs were working in control towers.

    The interchange concluded with President Donald Trump telling Duffy that he needed to hire M.I.T. graduates as air traffic controllers, saying they need to be "geniuses,” the report said.

    All that stuff is stupid, but GA aircraft fall out of the sky all the time. Usually it’s some overconfident doctor in a Bonanza who gets himself into a stall or flies in IMC on a VFR rating.

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    9 minutes ago, Bill said:

    All that stuff is stupid, but GA aircraft fall out of the sky all the time. Usually it’s some overconfident doctor in a Bonanza who gets himself into a stall or flies in IMC on a VFR rating.

    Let him him be... he's "resisting"

    3 hours ago, Bill said:

    Seems like they didn’t properly latch the door. 

    It is not uncommon for Beech Bonanza/Baron doors to come unlached in flight. It's nearly impossible to get them relatched in flight. They don't cause any control problems but they're noisy and distracting as hell. Before takeoff, latch the door then push on where the latch is to make sure it's engaged as its supposed to be.

    1 hour ago, Bill said:

    All that stuff is stupid, but GA aircraft fall out of the sky all the time. Usually it’s some overconfident doctor in a Bonanza who gets himself into a stall or flies in IMC on a VFR rating.

    V35 Bonanza was called "Forked tail doctor killer". I understand Mooney had that title for a while, don't know if it still does. I don't know that the problem is primarily doctors but rather individuals whose confidence, ego and bank account exceed their abilities in this particular pursuit.

    8 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

    It is not uncommon for Beech Bonanza/Baron doors to come unlached in flight. It's nearly impossible to get them relatched in flight. They don't cause any control problems but they're noisy and distracting as hell. Before takeoff, latch the door then push on where the latch is to make sure it's engaged as its supposed to be.

    Just watched the VAS video on it. Looks to me like the pilot didn’t manage his airspeed correctly and stalled. It wasn’t long after takeoff. Maybe he turned a bit too much toward the downwind with too low airspeed and stalled it out?

     

    Every AOPA safety video starts off with "get Fn airspeed” for a reason.

     

    I think people go for the Bonanza because of the cruise speed, capacity, and relatively cheap price tag, but to me I’d just go for a DA40. Yeah, it’ll take you forever for you and the three other people flying to get there, but you practically have to try and get those things to stall. 

    10 minutes ago, Bill said:

    Just watched the VAS video on it. Looks to me like the pilot didn’t manage his airspeed correctly and stalled. It wasn’t long after takeoff. Maybe he turned a bit too much toward the downwind with too low airspeed and stalled it out?

     

    Every AOPA safety video starts off with "get Fn airspeed” for a reason.

     

    I think people go for the Bonanza because of the cruise speed, capacity, and relatively cheap price tag, but to me I’d just go for a DA40. Yeah, it’ll take you forever for you and the three other people flying to get there, but you practically have to try and get those things to stall. 

    It ain't the airspeed (or lack of it) that kills ya, it's exceeding the critical angle of attack. </pedant>. But yeah, most light GA airplanes don't have good AOA info in the cockpit.

    16 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

    It ain't the airspeed (or lack of it) that kills ya, it's exceeding the critical angle of attack. </pedant>. But yeah, most light GA airplanes don't have good AOA info in the cockpit.

    Yeah, I get that. I’m referring to lower airspeeds bringing the AOA closer to the critical AOA. 

    If they just took off and the door popped open it's noisy, windy and distracting as well.

    13 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

    If they just took off and the door popped open it's noisy, windy and distracting as well.

    Yeah not to mention the pucker factor and the passengers freaking out.

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