4 hours ago, The Norseman said:

Hilarious hypocrisy from the guy who's been on these boards for a month parroting leftists talking points around a "constitutional crisis"

I've consistently said things were on a track toward a crisis and was clear to agree we were not in one.  However, we are starting to close in on one.  The key moment will be when Trump openly tells the Federal Judiciary to go F itself.   That may be two weeks out or six months down the road.

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I've consistently said things were on a track toward a crisis and was clear to agree we were not in one.  However, we are starting to close in on one.  The key moment will be when Trump openly tells the Federal Judiciary to go F itself.   The may be two weeks out or six months down the road.

The question is what’s going to happen, because if I’m being honest I don’t see Congress holding him accountable until like 2026 at the earliest, and the Senate map isn’t favorable to the Dems, even with this imbecile in office. 

16 minutes ago, Bill said:

The question is what’s going to happen, because if I’m being honest I don’t see Congress holding him accountable until like 2026 at the earliest, and the Senate map isn’t favorable to the Dems, even with this imbecile in office. 

Nothing will happen officially

Yeah Congress should impeach the radical leftist judge who

*checks notes*

ordered the release of 14,000 Hillary emails

dismissed the Trump tax return lawsuit, limited the scope of the Muller investigation

limited grand jury material disclosure in the classified docs case, and

issued lighter sentences for J6 insurrectionists than the prosecutors sought. 

9 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

I've consistently said things were on a track toward a crisis and was clear to agree we were not in one.  However, we are starting to close in on one.  The key moment will be when Trump openly tells the Federal Judiciary to go F itself.   That may be two weeks out or six months down the road.

So your last thousand posts and this thread are just about disagreements over procedure?? 😂  Stop it. 

You are currently arguing to to turn illegal, foreign gangsters around in the air and bring them back to our country based on a technicality.

If it wasn't so amusing, it would be embarrassing to watch your party emulsify themselves on these issues.

And please spare us the "I'm not a Democrat" nonsense.  I just can't today. 

50 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

So your last thousand posts and this thread are just about disagreements over procedure?? 😂  Stop it. 

You are currently arguing to to turn illegal, foreign gangsters around in the air and bring them back to our country based on a technicality.

If it wasn't so amusing, it would be embarrassing to watch your party emulsify themselves on these issues.

And please spare us the "I'm not a Democrat" nonsense.  I just can't today. 

100% on the constant overreach of the Trump WH and the disrespect of US law and the Constitution.  But you do your talking point which I can see on any pro MAGA/Trump media site that I care to look at.

Since you wrongly assert my opinion let me be clear to say my preference would be to put these guys in front of a US court, find them guilty of a US law, and then deport them.

You are right that "I'm not a Democrat" and I never have been.  I've always been a socially liberal and financially mostly conservative moderate.  I do have a strong case of TDS and I have no problem admitting that as it is richly deserved.  You've been around long enough to understand I've consistently been a "both sider" in here.

 

 

15 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

100% on the constant overreach of the Trump WH and the disrespect of US law and the Constitution.  But you do your talking point which I can see on any pro MAGA/Trump media site that I care to look at.

Since you wrongly assert my opinion let me be clear to say my preference would be to put these guys in front of a US court, find them guilty of a US law, and then deport them.

You are right that "I'm not a Democrat" and I never have been.  I've always been a socially liberal and financially mostly conservative moderate.  I do have a strong case of TDS and I have no problem admitting that as it is richly deserved.  You've been around long enough to understand I've consistently been a "both sider" in here.

And your talking points are all from liberal outlets bent on opposing every single thing the administration does....and around and around we go. 

Maybe you want to waste tax dollars and the capacity of our already overburdened courts determining whether Venezuelan gang members should be deported under this law or that law, but the overwhelming majority of the American people do not.  You are on the losing side of this issue.  Even if you are right, you accomplish only delay and further annoy the populous. 

Now, I will throw you a bone and say that where I always depart from Trump is when he opens his mouth on these issues.  He should not have said that this judge should be impeached.  The legal process may be corrupted, but it is not for the executive branch to publicly opine or call for impeachment within the judicial branch.  Believe it or not, I have very little love for Trump, mostly because he chronically steps on his own d**k and makes his job and every other conservative's harder in doing so.  

That being said, it is the absolute lunacy of the left over the last four years that gave him a window for re-election. Now we all have to deal with him and his buffoonery.  This leaves me with very little patience for TDS fanboys who want to argue technicalities for something we all know is right.  

Pick better arguments...for sure they are out there. 

24 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

And your talking points are all from liberal outlets bent on opposing every single thing the administration does

Absolutely not.  I'm 100% behind cutting waste and fraud.  I'm 100% behind getting control of the border.  There are two examples of things I fully agree with.  What I don't agree with in those areas is the process they are using.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Absolutely not.  I'm 100% behind cutting waste and fraud.  I'm 100% behind getting control of the border.  There are two examples of things I fully agree with.  What I don't agree with in those areas is the process they are using.

And this is why this ish has never gotten done and would never get done, everyone only wants to downsize the govt the way they want to do it.

This is the only way.  Our govt is an out of control behemoth that self-replicates on its own.  There's no scalpels here, using the sledgehammer is the only way. 

It will be fine and life will go on

26 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Maybe you want to waste tax dollars and the capacity of our already overburdened courts determining whether Venezuelan gang members should be deported under this law or that law, but the overwhelming majority of the American people do not.  You are on the losing side of this issue.  Even if you are right, you accomplish only delay and further annoy the populous. 

Yeah, I get why the Trump/WH picks this issue to take a loud visible stand on.  However, I am reminded of Eleanor Roosevelt's quote (see below).  The discussion I'm having here is about the ideas while you are focused on the people and the events.  The Constitution is clear on the separation of power and imho Trump must abide by the federal judiciary rulings and use the formal tools at his disposal when he doesn't like a ruling, namely the appeal process.

13 hours ago, BBE said:

No, you made the assertion that FTOs are often foreign sponsored.  That burden of proof lies with you.  Maybe you should call Megyn for her expert legal opinion. 

amazing how these law experts forget this basic function of our judicial system when it doesn't fit their narrative. 

34 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Now, I will throw you a bone and say that where I always depart from Trump is when he opens his mouth on these issues.  He should not have said that this judge should be impeached.  The legal process may be corrupted, but it is not for the executive branch to publicly opine or call for impeachment within the judicial branch.  Believe it or not, I have very little love for Trump, mostly because he chronically steps on his own d**k and makes his job and every other conservative's harder in doing so.  

That being said, it is the absolute lunacy of the left over the last four years that gave him a window for re-election. Now we all have to deal with him and his buffoonery.  This leaves me with very little patience for TDS fanboys who want to argue technicalities for something we all know is right.  

Right, I'm with you up until the bold part.  Details matter and so do the processes this country is built on and specifically the separation of powers as outlined in the Constitution.  I'm not prepared to sheet all over the Constitution just to deport 200 bad guys who are already in custody, i.e. the principle here is critical.

27 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Absolutely not.  I'm 100% behind cutting waste and fraud.  I'm 100% behind getting control of the border.  There are two examples of things I fully agree with.  What I don't agree with in those areas is the process they are using.

Yawn.  Says every "independent" and "libertarian" on this board.  Except that these things must be done using the same tactics that have failed us for decades.  Do you have any idea how long it would take to deport these people using current immigration law?  Meanwhile they are hurting and even killing our tax paying citizens.  Maybe that feels right to you, but it does not to me. If we can find an old law to allow for faster deportation of violent criminals I am 100% on board and so are the overwhelming majority of Americans. 

So no, you are not in favor of these things.  You are in favor of opposing anything that could be perceived as a win for an administration that you have surrendered logic to and allowed emotion to take over.  Its not your fault though, it is first on the list of symptoms for TDS.  There are plenty of things to hate Trump for...creative use of old laws to deport criminal aliens is not one of them.  

Stop pretending that your arguments are novel. They are everywhere and they are being curated for political purposes.  You are merely another mouthpiece.

12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Right, I'm with you up until the bold part.  Details matter and so do the processes this country is built on and specifically the separation of powers as outlined in the Constitution.  I'm not prepared to sheet all over the Constitution just to deport 200 bad guys who are already in custody, i.e. the principle here is critical.

Of course you are.  I said mean things about Trump and that made you feel good. 

But I agree, it is the principal that is critical, not the means. Get them out as fast as possible. 

3 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Yawn.  Says every "independent" and "libertarian" on this board.  Except that these things must be done using the same tactics that have failed us for decades

Where did I say we have to use the "same tactics"?

4 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

If we can find an old law to allow for faster deportation of violent criminals I am 100% on board and so are the overwhelming majority of Americans. 

You aren't "listening".  What I'm against is Trump/WH ignoring the judiciary and disrupting the balance of powers.  I'm in full support of deporting the bad guys.

4 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Of course you are.  I said mean things about Trump and that made you feel good. 

But I agree, it is the principal that is critical, not the means. Get them out as fast as possible. 

This thread isn't about the immigrants.  It is about the relationship between Trump/WH and the Federal Judiciary.

i don't get why some cannot grasp the simple idea of doing things the right way. although i do get the temptation. 

Every. Single.President. within this century has openly tried to expand the powers of the Executive branch at the expense of the Judicial and Legislative. 

Obama did it, you wept for joy. Biden did it, you cheered and laughed.  Now Trump does it and you cry.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Every. Single.President. within this century has openly tried to expand the powers of the Executive branch at the expense of the Judicial and Legislative. 

Obama did it, you wept for joy. Biden did it, you cheered and laughed.  Now Trump does it and you cry.

how about, F them all for trying it? 

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You aren't "listening".  What I'm against is Trump/WH ignoring the judiciary and disrupting the balance of powers.  I'm in full support of deporting the bad guys.

You sound like a toddler that's not getting her way. The balance of power has not been disrupted and the judiciary has not been ignored.  You are making procedural arguments that I am disagreeing with.  You are upset that temporary injunctions have been ignored until higher court rulings decide on the issue. You are upset that old laws have been used to try to expedite deportation of violent illegal aliens. 

When court rulings have come down, the administration has abided by them and, I hope, will continue to do so.  But you will not be happy until every temporary injunction is immediately abided by and all progress grinds to a halt.  So no, you are not for deporting the bad guys.  If it was up to you they'd still be here.

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Every. Single.President. within this century has openly tried to expand the powers of the Executive branch at the expense of the Judicial and Legislative.

That's true and I (and others in here) hated it every single time.  Of course Trump does it x100 as is often (or more likely always) the case with him.

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

how about, F them all for trying it? 

Sure, F everyone,  I'm cool with that.

But that should also include all of us voters. We have F'ed ourselves and created this situation.

I'll admit to being as guilty as anyone.  IMO we care more about POTUS than congress and look to the POTUS to make big, sweeping legislative changes.  But we keep voting in morons for congressional positions and thus the POTUS has an impossible task without abusing power.

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Every. Single.President. within this century has openly tried to expand the powers of the Executive branch at the expense of the Judicial and Legislative. 

Obama did it, you wept for joy. Biden did it, you cheered and laughed.  Now Trump does it and you cry.

As usually, you have no clue what the argument is. No one denies all admins push the limits, the problem is not listening to the courts that rule against them.