NatSec twitter can't figure out if the IAF Rafale got toasted because Chinese equipment is that good, or IAF pilots are that bad.

2 hours ago, Bill said:

NatSec twitter can't figure out if the IAF Rafale got toasted because Chinese equipment is that good, or IAF pilots are that bad.

The good news is that India evidently got hold of the seeker section of a CH-AA-10; that's yuuuge. LINK.

8 minutes ago, Mlodj said:

The good news is that India evidently got hold of the seeker section of a CH-AA-10; that's yuuuge. LINK.

Dear Diary,

Jackpot.

Pakistan has the option of an asymmetric response. Muslims comprise 14% (or 211 million) of India's population, and a good chunk of them are disaffected. At the same time, Pakistani ISI (their intelligence service) is quite competent at stirring up sheet. Put the two together, and it could get ugly.

12 hours ago, Mlodj said:

Pakistan has the option of an asymmetric response. Muslims comprise 14% (or 211 million) of India's population, and a good chunk of them are disaffected. At the same time, Pakistani ISI (their intelligence service) is quite competent at stirring up sheet. Put the two together, and it could get ugly.

For the life of me I don't understand why we didn't put waaay more pressure on Pakistan during OEF.

20 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

We’re all so much safer with Trump at the helm.

if it wasn't for biden, none of this would be happening on trump's watch.

4 hours ago, barho said:

We’re all so much safer with Trump at the helm.

2 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

if it wasn't for biden, none of this would be happening on trump's watch.

Guys, guys… he asked them to stop on a tv interview. Art of the deal bro, it’s all coming together.

China working to stir up **** because of India working a trade deal with the US.

Allah could be in trouble, hearing Indians have started bombing Karachi, Islamabad etc...

Just out of curiosity, is anybody rooting for Pakistan in this conflict?

Air India flight goes down seconds after takeoff with over 240 people on board. LINK. Given how quickly it happened after takeoff, plus the pilot declaring an emergency, it sounds like an accident, but you never know.

What we know so farpublished at 06:08

06:08

It's been just over an hour since we first reported an Air India plane crashed near the airport in Ahmedabad.

Here's what we know so far:

• There were 242 people on board, including two pilots and 10 cabin crew

• Of the passengers, there were 169 Indian nationals, 53 British nationals, one Canadian national and seven Portuguese nationals

• The plane - a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - gave a mayday call to air traffic control after taking off, but then gave no response

• Signal was lost seconds after take-off when the plane had reached 625 feet, according to Flight Radar

• The plane came down in a residential area near the airport

• "Everyone is running right now trying to save as many lives as possible," the BBC's Roxy Gagdekar reports from the scene

Just saw a video of the crash. The aircraft is at 300 to 400 feet with the flaps fully up. Raising and lowering the flaps is normally done in stages over several thousand feet.

55 minutes ago, Mlodj said:

Just saw a video of the crash. The aircraft is at 300 to 400 feet with the flaps fully up. Raising and lowering the flaps is normally done in stages over several thousand feet.

Plane computer engineer probably...

Horrible. Possibly just as many people died on the ground. Another sad reminder to enjoy life and loved ones while they are here.

4 hours ago, Mlodj said:

Just saw a video of the crash. The aircraft is at 300 to 400 feet with the flaps fully up. Raising and lowering the flaps is normally done in stages over several thousand feet.

My guess is they glossed over the flaps part of the pre take off checklist.

42 minutes ago, Bill said:

My guess is they glossed over the flaps part of the pre take off checklist.

That would be my initial reaction. 400 feet AGL (or so) on takeff with a visible sink rate and 0 flaps kind of leans toward that conclusion. Not sure why the pilot would declare an emergency though, if he did. The initial reports could be wrong about that.

One man survived and walked into an ambulance. Looks like he found his man......