I’m a bit torn on Davis. Decent player and had a couple of key sacks in the playoffs. Particularly impressed with his sack on Daniels (thought it was Carter initially)

But he only played 37% of snaps. And that number decreased as the season went on. I know the Eagles were in front a lot, but it’s a passing league still. Even against the Ravens which was close and going against Lamar and Henry he only played 33%.

What’s also interesting is that the Eagles are looking at a lot of first and second round DTs. Yes we lost Williams, but they are looking at big run stuffers as well.

He is a good player but I’m doubtful we pay 13 million in year 5 given the tough decisions that have been made so far. Maybe they find a way to extend him for less.

He would be crazy to take less the way the DT marked has exploded. I think they pickup the option but if they don't he is gone and 2025 is his last year as an Eagle. He will get paid by somebody.

1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said:

He would be crazy to take less the way the DT marked has exploded. I think they pickup the option but if they don't he is gone and 2025 is his last year as an Eagle. He will get paid by somebody.

I don't think the market has exploded, the best of the best are getting paid big numbers, but there are still plenty of guys with better stats than Davis that aren't getting $13million a year.

FWIW I think they don't pick up his 5th year but do get an extension done with significant performance and playing time escalators built in as an incentive.

What they do with Davis probably depends on what they pick up in the draft ... if they get a run-stuffing DT they like, he probably becomes expendable and they don't extend him.

I'd like to move on from him

Most of the iDL players they had in for visits don't fit the profile of "big run stuffer" though ... most are in that 280-300 lb range - more similar to Milton Williams in size. The only player that we had in for a visit that fits that profile is Tyleik Williams who is likely to be a day 2 pick. But if they don't want to invest big $ in 2 players at DT, then the choice is obvious (Carter). The deadline to use the 5th year option is a week from today ... it will be interesting to see what they do there. I think they pick it up.

The Eagles will most certainly pick up his 5th year and also try to extend him. $13M is no longer some outrageous number for a starting DT. Not only is he filling a key role on this team, but he is also a large part of the culture this team has established. His leadership doesn't get talked about much in discussions, but he's pretty much that guy in the DL room. Despite playing fewer snaps and mainly in on run downs, Davis was tied with Carter and Williams in postseason sacks last year with 2.

Davis came into the NFL needing to develop as a pass rusher. I'm not sure why some here feel like he hasn't improved at all or has peaked at this point. He's only played 3 seasons and is about where the expectations should have been based on his developmental needs at the NFL level. He isn't done and those that want to give up on him already are strange and unrealistic. His best years are ahead of him. That's why rookies tend to be cheap in the 1st 4 years.

There's a small part of me that wonders if Davis could be dealt in a surprise trade if we take a DT early. With Carter about to break the bank after this upcoming season, will they also be willing to pay/extend Davis?

Ultimately though, I think we exercise the 5th year option and extend him to a manageable deal. He will certainly not break the bank, but is a good role player.

I am convinced they will, as they should.

People that want to move on just are way to fixated on stats. He plays a vital role for our defense undervalued by fans but I'm sure Fangio won't let him leave.

Vital role for a guy that can barely be on the field

He will have his 5th year option picked up after the draft unless they draft a DT in the first round.

4 hours ago, Infam said:

I am convinced they will, as they should.

People that want to move on just are way to fixated on stats. He plays a vital role for our defense undervalued by fans but I'm sure Fangio won't let him leave.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Vital role for a guy that can barely be on the field

Look - I’m not quite with Mike on this, but I don’t get the "can’t let him leave” sentiment either. He played 37% snaps and his snap count dropped throughout the season. He was our clear DT4. 13 million is a lot. Maybe Fangio thinks he can have a much bigger role, but otherwise 13 million is a lot.

While I think the Eagles enjoy him, I wouldn't be surprised if they move him depending on how the draft shakes up.

As deep as this DT class is, it might be worth finding out his value. If we could get a mid to late 2 for him, maybe an early 3 and a late pick, it would be something to consider.

We could then draft two DTs in this draft

This is why I think they go Tyliek Williams at 32. He's a Jordan Davis clone, absolute run-stuffer, but with more pass rushing chops already. You take him with the idea of one of two things happening:

#1) Jordan Davis never becomes anything more than he is right now, in which case the choice is easy and you don't extend him. Trade him for something and get more ammo in '26. Pay Carter his money and let Tyliek Williams feast for the next few years on the cheap, basically hitting the reset button on the Jordan Davis experiment but with a guy that's a bit further along on the pass rush.

#2) Jordan Davis takes that next step, in which case your 3-man front is Jalen Carter/Jordan Davis/Tyliek Williams. You immediately have a 3-man front that could not only stuff the run all on their own, but those three guys are going to demand attention from all five offensive linemen. You have to double Carter, probably at that point you'd have to double Davis, and now you've got a second Davis type one-on-one with a tackle. Your linebackers and edge rushers are free to roam, or minimally bothered if they chip with a TE or a blocking RB.

And then if you put someone like Ojomo down as a fourth lineman...it's pretty much unblockable.

7 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Vital role for a guy that can barely be on the field

I was curious about how many minutes the Eagles actually trailed their opponent last season, so I asked Grok. Unfortunately, the best it could do was give a detailed estimate which is way better than me having to do the math manually for each game. Here is the breakdown from Grok: (skip past the breakdown if that doesn't interest you as it's still just an estimate)

Exact data on the total game minutes the Philadelphia Eagles were trailing in score during the 2024 NFL season is not explicitly detailed in available records, as this statistic is not commonly tracked or reported in standard game summaries. However, I can provide an approach to estimate this based on game-by-game analysis from the 2024 season, using available information from sources like ESPN, NFL.com, and Wikipedia.

Methodology

• The Eagles played 17 regular-season games and 4 postseason games in 2024, totaling 21 games.

• Each NFL game consists of 60 minutes of regulation time, excluding overtime. Overtime periods (if any) are considered separately.

• To estimate trailing minutes, we analyze game summaries to identify quarters or specific moments when the Eagles were behind in score, using available play-by-play data or narrative descriptions.

• If a game lacks detailed minute-by-minute breakdowns, we estimate based on scoring events and game flow (e.g., when the opponent took the lead and when the Eagles tied or regained it).

• Games where the Eagles never trailed (e.g., dominant wins) contribute 0 minutes to the total.

Game-by-Game Analysis

Below is an analysis of the 2024 season games, focusing on moments when the Eagles were trailing, based on available data. For games with limited play-by-play details, I’ll use reasonable assumptions based on scoring summaries.

Regular Season (14-3 Record)

1. Week 1: vs. Green Bay Packers (W 34-29)

   • The Eagles trailed 6–0 after the first quarter and 19–14 at halftime. They took the lead (31–26) in the fourth quarter after a third-quarter interception.

   • Trailing time: Approximately 30 minutes (first half, assuming they fell behind early in the first quarter and led by the third quarter’s end).

2. Week 2: vs. Atlanta Falcons (L 21-22)

   • Limited play-by-play, but the Eagles lost a close game, suggesting they trailed in the fourth quarter after Atlanta’s late score.

   • Trailing time: Estimated 10 minutes (assuming Atlanta took the lead with ~5-10 minutes left in the fourth quarter).

3. **Week 3warden into the Eagles' 15-12 victory over the New Orleans Saints, they were trailing 3-0 going into the fourth quarter. After a 65-yard touchdown by Saquon Barkley, the Saints responded with a field goal, making the score 7-6 in favor of the Eagles. The Saints then took a 12-7 lead with just over two minutes left, before the Eagles scored a touchdown and two-point conversion to take a 15-12 lead.

   • Trailing time: Approximately 45 minutes (first three quarters, as they were behind until the fourth quarter).

4. Week 4: at Tampa Bay Buccaneers (L 16-33)

   • The Eagles trailed early and never led, as Tampa Bay built a significant lead.

   • Trailing time: Approximately 50 minutes (assuming they fell behind early and remained behind for most of the game).

5. Week 5: Bye Week

   • No game.

6. Week 6: vs. Cleveland Browns (W 20-16)

   • Close game, but no specific mention of trailing for extended periods. Assume trailing briefly in the second half.

   • Trailing time: Estimated 15 minutes (assuming a brief period in the third/fourth quarter).

7. Week 7: at New York Giants (W 28-3)

   • Dominant win, no mention of trailing.

   • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

8. Week 8: at Cincinnati Bengals (W 37-17)

   • Eagles led comfortably throughout.

   • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

9. Week 9: vs. Jacksonville Jaguars (W 28-23)

   • Close game, likely trailed briefly in the second half.

   • Trailing time: Estimated 10 minutes.

10. Week 10: at Dallas Cowboys (W 34-6)

    • Dominant win, no trailing.

    • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

11. Week 11: vs. Washington Commanders (W 26-18)

    • Eagles led most of the game.

    • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

12. Week 12: at Los Angeles Rams (W 37-20)

    • Eagles trailed 14–13 at halftime but led 20–14 after a third-quarter touchdown.

    • Trailing time: Approximately 30 minutes (first half).

13. Week 13: at Baltimore Ravens (W 24-19)

    • Eagles trailed 12–7 at halftime and tied the game in the third quarter, taking the lead in the fourth.

    • Trailing time: Approximately 30 minutes (first half).

14. Week 14: vs. Carolina Panthers (W 31-14)

    • Comfortable win, no trailing mentioned.

    • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

15. Week 15: vs. Pittsburgh Steelers (W 27-13)

    • Eagles led throughout.

    • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

16. Week 16: at Washington Commanders (W 33-28)

    • Close game, likely trailed briefly in the second half.

    • Trailing time: Estimated 15 minutes.

17. Week 17: vs. Dallas Cowboys (W 41-7)

    • Dominant win, no trailing.

    • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

18. Week 18: vs. New York Giants (W 20-13)

    • Eagles led throughout with backups playing.

    • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

Postseason (4-0 Record)

1. Wild Card: vs. Green Bay Packers (W 22-10)

   • Eagles led most of the game.

   • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

2. Divisional Round: vs. Los Angeles Rams (W 28-22)

   • Close game, likely trailed briefly.

   • Trailing time: Estimated 10 minutes.

3. NFC Championship: vs. Washington Commanders (W 55-23)

   • Eagles led after the first quarter (14–3) and never trailed.

   • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

4. Super Bowl LIX: vs. Kansas City Chiefs (W 40-22)

   • Eagles led comfortably throughout.

   • Trailing time: 0 minutes.

Total Trailing Time Estimate

• Regular Season: 30 + 10 + 45 + 50 + 15 + 0 + 0 + 10 + 0 + 0 + 30 + 30 + 0 + 0 + 15 + 0 + 0 = 235 minutes

• Postseason: 0 + 10 + 0 + 0 = 10 minutes

• Total: 235 + 10 = 245 minutes

Notes and Caveats

• Data Limitations: Exact trailing times require detailed play-by-play logs, which are not fully provided in the referenced sources. Estimates are based on quarter-by-quarter summaries and scoring events. For games with vague details (e.g., "close game”), I assumed conservative trailing periods (10–15 minutes).

• Overtime: The Eagles had no overtime games in 2024, simplifying the calculation (all games assumed 60 minutes of regulation).

• Assumptions: For dominant wins (e.g., vs. Giants, Cowboys), I assumed 0 trailing minutes unless evidence suggested otherwise. For close games, I estimated trailing time based on when opponents likely took the lead.

• Accuracy: This is an approximation. Actual trailing time could vary by a few minutes per game, potentially adjusting the total by ±20–30 minutes.

Final Answer

The Philadelphia Eagles were trailing in score for an estimated 245 minutes (or roughly 4 hours and 5 minutes) across their 21 games in the 2024 NFL season, including the postseason. This estimate is based on available game summaries and reasonable assumptions where data is incomplete. For precise minute-by-minute tracking, access to full play-by-play data or NFL game logs would be required, which is not publicly available in the provided sources.

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So ... that's approximately 245 out of 1020 regular season minutes. We were actually quite good at taking the lead and making teams 1-dimensional in the 2nd half of games. In 2023, Davis appeared to wear down late in the season in which he played 45% of the snaps. In 2024, the Eagles lightened his load to 37% and that kept him from wearing down including 4 postseason games. In addition to his lower snap percentage, the defense as a whole was on the field for more than 100 fewer snaps due to better defensive play. I'm just not seeing the problem here. Were our LBs not making plays last year?

16 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Look - I’m not quite with Mike on this, but I don’t get the "can’t let him leave” sentiment either. He played 37% snaps and his snap count dropped throughout the season. He was our clear DT4. 13 million is a lot. Maybe Fangio thinks he can have a much bigger role, but otherwise 13 million is a lot.

DT is a position where historically there has always been a rotation between three or four players, and the skills/traits/responsibilities of the players have always varied. Fangio uses Davis as a tower of strength in the early snaps of each game to impose the Eagles’ will on the opposing Offensive … taking away their ability to establish a running game, and ultimately to force that Offense into a one dimensional pass-pass-pass approach. Looking at the percentages of snaps per game is misleading. Better to break those snaps down by Quarter. I suspect (but do not know for a fact because the data isn’t available to me) that his percentages in the First Quarter are substantially higher than 37%, and they drop off as each quarter progresses.

With that said, I expect Clint Hurtt is working with Davis to build up his arsenal of pass rushing skills, and we will see more of Davis in 2025 than we did in 2024.

Option will be picked up within the next week.

Davis fulfils a role that right now this team needs and has no alternative for. Carter is a great all around DE but he doesn’t have that huge monster frame that Davis does. Ojomo has potential but probably more at getting after the QB… So Davis is an important piece and I think they’ll pick up his fifth year option soon enough.

They could continue drafting DTs to keep guys on rookie deals playing with Carter.

2025: Davis, Ojomo, Robinson

2026: Ojomo, Robinson, rookie

Repeat rotation.

Some quite varied views on this. I would think it’s more likely than not that they don’t pick up his 5th year option. 13 million is a lot for a guy who was playing 25% of snaps by the end of the season. He seems like a good guy and he played well in the playoffs. I don’t see him as some dominant force on running downs however. My sense is that they don’t pick up the fifth year, but try and get a cheaper extension done. If they do - that means Fangio likes him a lot and sees a bigger role next year. We will see.

I think 13 Million for Davis is a bargain.

9 hours ago, Infam said:

I think 13 Million for Davis is a bargain.

I really believe that people are literally looking at snap count and snap count percentage charts instead of film to draw their conclusions. Our LBs are pretty clean when he is in the game.

I've always thought that Jordan Davis would be one of the toughest players in the league to accurately value. Those citing his low snap percentage and one dimensional nature are not wrong. And if the Eagles want him but aren't sure about a long-term deal (or they can't agree on numbers) $13M is a lot of money to pay when it can't be prorated over multiple years (the cap hit for 5th year options can't be spread out)

But it's also true that his value to this defense is way greater than those statistics would suggest. He eats up blockers and space and is terrific against the run. What he does that frees up the second level guys to eat and helps take away a big part of the opponents offense. Its also true that he's not needed as much when the team is playing from ahead. All that makes his overall value very difficult to quantify, not just for the Eagles, but for other teams as well. For some teams, he wouldn't be worth very much, but for other teams, he could be just the "missing piece" they need to put them over the top depending on scheme and other personnel.

On 4/26/2025 at 7:34 PM, ManchesterEagle said:

I don’t see him as some dominant force on running downs however.

You must not have been paying attention.