On 5/17/2025 at 11:15 AM, time2rock said:

Plan B is probably Jackson. However, if he looks terrible and none of the others step up then plan C is probably either Howie dealing one of our 12 2026 picks for a CB or grabbing someone once roster cuts are being made.

Yeah I suspect the team think Ringo is plan A with Jackson as plan B. And hey they clearly think quite highly of Ringo because they moved up to draft him and they’ve kept him on the roster for 4 years despite limited opportunities to play him. I just think it’s not a good plan A but I hope I am wrong.

Letting Sly go can be understood. Rodgers is the puzzling one. If the FO is unsure about Ringo, they would have kept Rodgers. As things stand now, Ringo is Plan A, Jackson is Plan B. After that, it is thin. If there is injury at the top of depth chart, then it is a dire situation that would set Howie moving in the trade market.

Agree that DeJean would be fine if he has to move outside. It is wise to keep him at the slot though. Think highly of him from his college tapes. Last season performance further reinforces that he is smart and skillful player.

12 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

Letting Sly go can be understood. Rodgers is the puzzling one. If the FO is unsure about Ringo, they would have kept Rodgers. As things stand now, Ringo is Plan A, Jackson is Plan B. After that, it is thin. If there is injury at the top of depth chart, then it is a dire situation that would set Howie moving in the trade market.

Agree that DeJean would be fine if he has to move outside. It is wise to keep him at the slot though. Think highly of him from his college tapes. Last season performance further reinforces that he is smart and skillful player.

Ricks? McWilliams?

On 5/17/2025 at 11:54 AM, BayAreaLennie said:

I am less concerned than most of you because I think DeJean is perfectly capable of moving outside - he is athletically elite and has an extremely high football IQ. With Slay on the roster last year it made no sense to play DeJean anywhere other than slot. That he was terrific there is not an argument that he cannot also be terrific outside -- quite the opposite. And that the Eagles released Slay and did not pick a CB until the 5th round also suggests the team thinks the roster is adequate at outside corner.

That said, it may be that one of the other CBs on the roster is more suited to the outside than slot, so it may make sense again for Coop to stick at slot, but that will be more dependent on the other CBs' skills than DeJean's. If Ricks or Ringo or Adoree or someone else does not prove capable on the outside, I expect Cooper to seamlessly slide outside, and Fangio will find a different solution at slot. And Howie has proven more than capable of finding slot corners when he needs to.

I do worry about the CB depth if Quinyon or Coop were to get injured, but I worry about that at every position.

Last year we had solid starters at CB and a solid depth with Isaiah Rodgers being a solid backup.

This year...competition for CB2 and depth at CB is a suspect.

We are a little thin at CB

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

Ricks? McWilliams?

Ricks is inconsistent. McWilliams is a late round addition, most likely targeted for special teams, then a serious starting CB competition. So it is critical for Ringo to win the position of CB2. Because having Adoree there..may be a liability. Or Adoree as the depth, as the first man off the bench in case of injury....is a lot less appealing than last year having proven Rodgers being available to step in on occasion.

2 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Last year we had solid starters at CB and a solid depth with Isaiah Rodgers being a solid backup.

This year...competition for CB2 and depth at CB is a suspect.

We are a little thin at CB

Ricks is inconsistent. McWilliams is a late round addition, most likely targeted for special teams, then a serious starting CB competition. So it is critical for Ringo to win the position of CB2. Because having Adoree there..may be a liability. Or Adoree as the depth, as the first man off the bench in case of injury....is a lot less appealing than last year having proven Rodgers being available to step in on occasion.

I completely agree that we want Ringo to ball out. That is by far the best solution.

With that said, regarding Slay, at this time last year many of the EMB posters were keeping their fingers crossed that Slay would not succumb to age the way Bradberry did … and Rodgers was just as much of an unknown as Rick’s is now. We all had high hopes, but there was no proof in the Rodgers pudding this time last year.

On 5/19/2025 at 12:32 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I suspect the team think Ringo is plan A with Jackson as plan B. And hey they clearly think quite highly of Ringo because they moved up to draft him and they’ve kept him on the roster for 4 years despite limited opportunities to play him. I just think it’s not a good plan A but I hope I am wrong.

You realize Ringo has only been here two years, right?

We traded what turned out to be pick #86 (Texans) in the 2024 draft to get #105 in 2023 to draft Ringo. In the 2024 draft the Texans gave us back #86 and threw in #123 to move up to #78. Then we again traded #86, this time to the whiners, for #94 and #132. #94 was used to draft Jalyx Hunt and the other picks were involved in more trades.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

You realize Ringo has only been here two years, right?

Yeah I realise that. This will be his third TC. What I’m saying is he’s not seen a lot of time on the field. And that’s despite having the disaster that was Bradberry in 2023 and Slay missing snaps last year. They chose Rodgers as their go to guy when Slay was hurt last year.

I thought Ringo was one of the few bright spots whenever he came in in his first year as the defense collapsed and the secondary was just, turrible. He played with energy and speed that was sorely lacking. I thought Bradberry should have been benched, his effort along with others was nonexistent. But that's water under the bridge.

I'm honestly more worried about the open Safety position. I think Ringo has got this.

10 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I realise that. This will be his third TC. What I’m saying is he’s not seen a lot of time on the field. And that’s despite having the disaster that was Bradberry in 2023 and Slay missing snaps last year. They chose Rodgers as their go to guy when Slay was hurt last year.

Why then they let Rodgers leave the team? Money thing or other?

12 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I realise that. This will be his third TC. What I’m saying is he’s not seen a lot of time on the field. And that’s despite having the disaster that was Bradberry in 2023 and Slay missing snaps last year. They chose Rodgers as their go to guy when Slay was hurt last year.

He was pretty much neck and neck with Rodgers during TC. Rodgers had the edge when it came to experience. Bradberry wasn't the only guy on the team playing poorly in 2023 --- it was almost all the starters. But in that season, Ringo was way too raw to get on the field early. He worked hard and saw some time late that season and played surprisingly well for a guy that was so green to begin the season. Last year, we simply had a very deep room that avoided any lengthy injuries. IMO, the situation has been ideal to date. He needed some time to grow and develop and we've been able to afford that time. Now he'll get a legit opportunity to earn a starting role, apply what he has learned, and prove he has grown.

8 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

Why then they let Rodgers leave the team? Money thing or other?

I think it was a money thing yeah. Well I think it was a money thing combined with them having confidence in Ringo. And I’m not saying Ringo will be bad or it’s a terrible move to keep him and have him pencilled in as the starter. I’m just saying that it’s a concern because it’s unknown. We simply don’t know and it could work out absolutely fine.

23 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I realise that. This will be his third TC. What I’m saying is he’s not seen a lot of time on the field. And that’s despite having the disaster that was Bradberry in 2023 and Slay missing snaps last year. They chose Rodgers as their go to guy when Slay was hurt last year.

Does that say more about Rodgers than It says about Ringo?

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think it was a money thing yeah. Well I think it was a money thing combined with them having confidence in Ringo. And I’m not saying Ringo will be bad or it’s a terrible move to keep him and have him pencilled in as the starter. I’m just saying that it’s a concern because it’s unknown. We simply don’t know and it could work out absolutely fine.

Not only money, but Comp Pick as well. Howie knows how to Marshall his resources. The more bites of the apple he gets, the fewer roster holes the team has. Rodgers cost nothing to acquire, gave real onfield value, and gave the Eagles a goodbye present. Lewis Cine may end up as this year’s Rodgers.

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think it was a money thing yeah. Well I think it was a money thing combined with them having confidence in Ringo. And I’m not saying Ringo will be bad or it’s a terrible move to keep him and have him pencilled in as the starter. I’m just saying that it’s a concern because it’s unknown. We simply don’t know and it could work out absolutely fine.

Yeah and last year we had 2 unknown rookies and an old slay that could fall off a cliff and rodgers who didnt play in over a year and how did that turn out? We had way more question marks last year then this year imo

13 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yeah and last year we had 2 unknown rookies and an old slay that could fall off a cliff and rodgers who didnt play in over a year and how did that turn out? We had way more question marks last year then this year imo

Last year we won the lottery. When the draft will be re evaluated, Mitchell and De Jean will be redrafted much higher.

This year we have Ringo who is practicaly Penciled in. Because his primary competition is Jackson. Jackson may be a good run stopper..but he is very mediocre in coverage.

According to PFF. Jackson Rated 9th for the run and 79th out of 222 CBs for coverage.

Never was very happy about Jackson at CB signing.

Don't like players penciled in, unless they have won the job on the field.

And if Jackson is our entire depth at coverage, if someone gets injured..we are in trouble.

Vic will have to switch a lot of players out of positions and perform miracles.

De Jean to the outside. Someone??? Mucuba or McCollum at safety.

Not the most confidence inspiring ,taking players from the positions that they are successful at, and plugging holes.

On 5/23/2025 at 1:36 AM, Traveler Vic said:

Last year we won the lottery. When the draft will be re evaluated, Mitchell and De Jean will be redrafted much higher.

This year we have Ringo who is practicaly Penciled in. Because his primary competition is Jackson. Jackson may be a good run stopper..but he is very mediocre in coverage.

According to PFF. Jackson Rated 9th for the run and 79th out of 222 CBs for coverage.

Never was very happy about Jackson at CB signing.

Don't like players penciled in, unless they have won the job on the field.

And if Jackson is our entire depth at coverage, if someone gets injured..we are in trouble.

Vic will have to switch a lot of players out of positions and perform miracles.

De Jean to the outside. Someone??? Mucuba or McCollum at safety.

Not the most confidence inspiring ,taking players from the positions that they are successful at, and plugging holes.

Obviously super early in the offseason work … we’re only in OTAs. But Jackson has been getting the majority of the reps outside opposite Mitchell. Also DeJean commented that he was going to get some time during these camps on the outside in the base defense.

If Ringo doesn’t work out you have to believe Howie will use a high pick on CB again next year (or trade for one).

13 hours ago, time2rock said:

Obviously super early in the offseason work … we’re only in OTAs. But Jackson has been getting the majority of the reps outside opposite Mitchell. Also DeJean commented that he was going to get some time during these camps on the outside in the base defense.

If Ringo doesn’t work out you have to believe Howie will use a high pick on CB again next year (or trade for one).

Keep in mind that last year Devin White was the one constant at ILB (1st team defense) throughout OTAs, TC and preseason. Fangio didn't just hand the jobs to Dean and Baun from the get go. He did create a situation that brought out the best of competition.

20 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Keep in mind that last year Devin White was the one constant at ILB (1st team defense) throughout OTAs, TC and preseason. Fangio didn't just hand the jobs to Dean and Baun from the get go. He did create a situation that brought out the best of competition.

Yep that was my point. It is super early in the offseason ... they are a long way from figuring out the DC. They'll continue to look at players in different roles to see what shakes out best.

16 hours ago, time2rock said:

Obviously super early in the offseason work … we’re only in OTAs. But Jackson has been getting the majority of the reps outside opposite Mitchell. Also DeJean commented that he was going to get some time during these camps on the outside in the base defense.

If Ringo doesn’t work out you have to believe Howie will use a high pick on CB again next year (or trade for one).

What is our base defense? In the Super Bowl it was a 4-2-5 light box. Is there any reason to believe that isn’t Fangio’s preference?

I agree that there are some big question marks at the CB position but honestly I'm a little more concerned about the pass rush overall. Of course this also plays into the CB's if they have to cover longer but at least we have some guys who have been playing at the NFL level for awhile and have been in the system.

Here is what I think about the pass rushers...

Of course Carter is excellent and has all pro potential every year. I have no doubt that Nolan Smith will ball out once he comes back from his injury but he might miss several weeks to start the year. Davis is one of the best run stoppers in the league but pass rush is not his strong suit. He will need to play more snaps this year IMO. Hunt killed it in the postseason last year but he was universally thought of as a project player last year. Is he ready to be a quality starter for the whole season? Ojomo showed a splash last year as a rookie in very limited time. Is he ready to produce as much as Milton Williams did in an expanded first off the bench backup role? Azeez is talented but is on a 1 year contract and hasn't shown he can stay healthy in the past. Can he give you more snaps than he has in his whole career so far? We have the rookie from Nebraska who had 1 really productive year in college so I don't expect much from him right away. Hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised b/c he's a hard worker and they say he has some power. He might not give us what we need until later in the season when he gets a real taste of what NFL football is like. Chiefs let a 26 year old Uche walk for nothing so he is a huge question mark if he even makes the team. Booker was a back of the depth chart guy last year, can he contribute more if he is needed? Who knows? Then you have Bryce Huff who might not even be here and even if he is, I don't expect anything from that guy at all. If he gets 1 sack and a couple TFL on the year then that's more than I expect from him. If the pass rush can't get home do they just rush the rookie Campbell more?

The way I see it, we have 3 players on the line who we know will be productive in Carter, Davis, and Smith. One of those guys will miss time to start the season. Everyone else needs to take a leap and nobody knows how it will play out. Just my 2 cents I know it's not worth anything anymore.

On 5/30/2025 at 11:28 AM, mr_irie1 said:

I agree that there are some big question marks at the CB position but honestly I'm a little more concerned about the pass rush overall. Of course this also plays into the CB's if they have to cover longer but at least we have some guys who have been playing at the NFL level for awhile and have been in the system.

Here is what I think about the pass rushers...

Of course Carter is excellent and has all pro potential every year. I have no doubt that Nolan Smith will ball out once he comes back from his injury but he might miss several weeks to start the year. Davis is one of the best run stoppers in the league but pass rush is not his strong suit. He will need to play more snaps this year IMO. Hunt killed it in the postseason last year but he was universally thought of as a project player last year. Is he ready to be a quality starter for the whole season? Ojomo showed a splash last year as a rookie in very limited time. Is he ready to produce as much as Milton Williams did in an expanded first off the bench backup role? Azeez is talented but is on a 1 year contract and hasn't shown he can stay healthy in the past. Can he give you more snaps than he has in his whole career so far? We have the rookie from Nebraska who had 1 really productive year in college so I don't expect much from him right away. Hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised b/c he's a hard worker and they say he has some power. He might not give us what we need until later in the season when he gets a real taste of what NFL football is like. Chiefs let a 26 year old Uche walk for nothing so he is a huge question mark if he even makes the team. Booker was a back of the depth chart guy last year, can he contribute more if he is needed? Who knows? Then you have Bryce Huff who might not even be here and even if he is, I don't expect anything from that guy at all. If he gets 1 sack and a couple TFL on the year then that's more than I expect from him. If the pass rush can't get home do they just rush the rookie Campbell more?

The way I see it, we have 3 players on the line who we know will be productive in Carter, Davis, and Smith. One of those guys will miss time to start the season. Everyone else needs to take a leap and nobody knows how it will play out. Just my 2 cents I know it's not worth anything anymore.

I am not as concerned about the pass rush. I think Vick can blitz from multiple positions and we have plenty of talent at LBs. Also we have some young DE's who are willing to prove themselves.

Jackorian B is solid. Eagles addressed the depth. Good Job.

On 5/17/2025 at 8:01 AM, time2rock said:

They likely do as well, otherwise we would have used more resources to add someone (other than Jackson in free agency and McWilliams on day 3 of the draft). They did use a future (2024) 3rd rd pick back in 2023 to add that 4th to grab him ... that's fairly significant. Have to figure it is his position to lose right now.

Looks like that's exactly what he's doing. The Bennett trade and his extremely poor showing vs. the Bengals speaks volumes. If Bennett doesn't pan out, the Eagles have no legit starter at CB2, which is a huge problem.

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

Looks like that's exactly what he's doing. The Bennett trade and his extremely poor showing vs. the Bengals speaks volumes. If Bennett doesn't pan out, the Eagles have no legit starter at CB2, which is a huge problem.

Agreed 100%. They may want Ringo to win the competition and be the starter but that definitely does not mean he will play well enough to do so. I posted during day 2 of the draft my wish to use one of those picks on a CB to add to the mix, thinking the potential to have a year 1 starter at CB2 to play with two year 2 players (CB1, and NCB) and be able to grow together for the next several years would be tremendous. When Johnson fell to middle of round 2 was hoping, with all of the picks we had at our disposal, that we'd move up for him. Once AZ grabbed him then hoped for Amos. Hopefully CB is a high priority next April.

I hope that Raiders guy can play, because these cornerbacks look bad.