3 hours ago, SkippyX said:

That was the Ray Rhodes will not be back next year game.

Andy was coach after that year.

I’m talking about this one https://www.nfl.com/news/seahawks-wipe-out-eagles-42-0-09000d5d8013a91b

Really tricky one! On the one hand I mean if you can get a second (or hell a first) then that’s hard to turn down. We all know this team has bags of talent but the opportunity to add more young talent in future drafts always has to be considered.

But we also know that McKee has looked like a really good back up (albeit in limited opportunities) and Hurts does tend to miss time. For a team who wants to compete again to win the SB having a good reliable back up is really important.

5 hours ago, SkippyX said:

That was the Ray Rhodes will not be back next year game.

Andy was coach after that year.

That was in 2005. Reid was coach then.

You might be thinking of the 38-0 opener in 1998.

Normally I'd say yes, but this team has so many draft picks next year that they basically have the flexibility to do whatever they want as it is. The best case scenario would be for McKee to ball out in the preseason and in spot duty in the regular season and for a desperate team to pony up a first if we throw in a mid round pick or two.

On 7/28/2025 at 6:01 PM, time2rock said:

He's signed through the end of the 2026 season.

If it were me, someone would have to b10w me away with an offer to move him now. This team is strong and has as good a shot as anyone to win it all this year. No way am I going to weaken the team and out chances for a 2nd (especially when we are already armed with 13 total draft picks in 2026 ... 5 day 1-2 picks alone). Shoot man Philly fans know best how valuable the backup QB is (LII).

Now … if our season looks like it is in the tank for some odd reason just before the trade deadline and a team offered us a 2nd, then sure.

Yeah I knew he was signed through 2026 - just meant next season as 2026.

I hear you. I personally would take the second, particularly if it was potential to be a high one. We all know how well this team has done with second round picks.

I think the second is a borderline call. It’s crazy how many people would say no to a first though here.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Yeah I knew he was signed through 2026 - just meant next season as 2026.

I hear you. I personally would take the second, particularly if it was potential to be a high one. We all know how well this team has done with second round picks.

I think the second is a borderline call. It’s crazy how many people would say no to a first though here.

I wouldn't risk another championship for a 2nd ... especially with a team that has as much a chance as any to win it all this year. A Lombardi >>>>> a 2026 2nd. But hey, that's just me. You can always deal him next offseason.

This is a team that won a SB with Nick Foles. How can anyone here not see the value of a backup QB?

16 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

This is a team that won a SB with Nick Foles. How can anyone here not see the value of a backup QB?

I see the value but, also know that odds of that ever happening again are about slim to none. You can draft qbs in the 6th round all day that will look decent in preseason and in meaningless games. Not taking a 2nd rounder or even having to think about it for basically an unknown that was drafted in the 6th round is nuts to me

14 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

This is a team that won a SB with Nick Foles. How can anyone here not see the value of a backup QB?

All the guy does is throw TDs and look like he belongs with his limited opportunities. Amazing people think a 2nd rounder is going to bring any more value. It's less than a 50% chance that a 2nd round pick winds up being a player that can contribute anything at all.

It's like being on the price is right with a new car won, (maybe not a great car, but a car) already in hand, and trading it away for door number 2. Congratulations you just won a 10% off coupon for a set of $20 dollar stainless steel BBQ utensils. Womp womp.

And if McKee is just some rando 6th that can replaced easily without any thought why would another team give up their valuable 2nd round pick for him? Outside the fact that the entire NFL is standing in a line to give the Eagles all their draft picks for some JAGs.

It's okay to be excited about McKee as a prospect based on what we have seen to this point. I understand this thread is a "what if" discussion. But let's be real for a moment ... McKee has not elevated his stock to 2nd round value in any way. He may do that this season if Hurts misses significant time and he continues to perform like he did in the 4th quarter blowout vs dallas and the meaningless finale last season. But as of right now other teams aren't going to view him as a starter and dangle a 2nd rounder in front of Howie. The only team that might have some inside knowledge of him outside of the afore mentioned game film is the saints. They have a definite QB opening and a system (and coach) McKee knows. But even they aren't giving up a day 2 pick for him right now. His likely value is two day 3 picks and a desperation trade might be a day 3 pick that could conditionally become a day 2 pick. I can't see the saints in a "desperation" situation because the expectations will be low this season anyway.

It’s hard to trade McKee, but I would do it for a second round pick.

In a word, NOPE.

No. He either re-signs, or the Eagles get a comp pick for him if he signs elsewhere as a FA. That, plus there's always a chance that a desperate team like the Vikings were in 2017 has a starting QB go down and overpays for McKee.

9 hours ago, Procus said:

No. He either re-signs, or the Eagles get a comp pick for him if he signs elsewhere as a FA. That, plus there's always a chance that a desperate team like the Vikings were in 2017 has a starting QB go down and overpays for McKee.

Right now, giving up a 2nd for McKee is a desperation move and overpaying. The highest a comp pick can be is a late 3rd rd pick (after #96) and that would require a team signing him to franchise QB money (think about how unrealistic that would be based on what we have seen from McKee to date). Teams don't overpay (anymore) out of desperation for unproven, inexperienced QBs they passed on multiple times for in a recent draft. Bradford was a top rated NFL prospect with 63 NFL starts. Any potential comp pick could easily be canceled out by a similar free agent signing this team makes.

I have no idea why anybody here would refuse a 2nd for McKee today. IMO, there are zero teams that would even offer that much draft capital for him. So if one did for some reason, it would be idiotic to not pounce on that offer. Are we really expecting McKee to be the eventual replacement for Jalen or something?

19 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Are we really expecting McKee to be the eventual replacement for Jalen or something?

I mean the simple answer for most of us is no right? Hurts is the starter, he’s absolutely going to be the starter for the next season and a bit at least right? If he has a bad year coming up he’s not going to lose the starting job, and so he’d start the following year as the starter. And that’s pretty much worse case (barring injury) but we all hope that won’t be the case.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean the simple answer for most of us is no right? Hurts is the starter, he’s absolutely going to be the starter for the next season and a bit at least right? If he has a bad year coming up he’s not going to lose the starting job, and so he’d start the following year as the starter. And that’s pretty much worse case (barring injury) but we all hope that won’t be the case.

There will always be some fans that prefer a McKee style QB to a Hurts style QB. But all I can say is Hurts is a proven player. He has demonstrated the leadership you want from your franchise QB and has proven himself in every aspect as a player. Teammates are behind him. Free agents want to come play here with him. Our FAs prefer to re-sign here to stay with him. The only downside to having such a good franchise QB is the contract that goes with that. So if one's goal is to replace that contract, how are you going to do that if the next QB is worth franchise money as well? McKee is entering year 3 of a 4-year deal. He should be eligible for an extension after this season.

Not only is Hurts the leader of this team, but the offense has been built around him. McKee is currently the backup and I am and have been rooting for him. Some here, though, seem to be full "Hoying" him. We haven't seen enough from him to put the kind of value (compensation) that some currently seem to be projecting here. If a team were dumb enough to offer a 2nd for him today, you take it and if you think he has a great future, that's how you give him that opportunity --- because we are set with our starter here.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Right now, giving up a 2nd for McKee is a desperation move and overpaying. The highest a comp pick can be is a late 3rd rd pick (after #96) and that would require a team signing him to franchise QB money (think about how unrealistic that would be based on what we have seen from McKee to date). Teams don't overpay (anymore) out of desperation for unproven, inexperienced QBs they passed on multiple times for in a recent draft. Bradford was a top rated NFL prospect with 63 NFL starts. Any potential comp pick could easily be canceled out by a similar free agent signing this team makes.

I have no idea why anybody here would refuse a 2nd for McKee today. IMO, there are zero teams that would even offer that much draft capital for him. So if one did for some reason, it would be idiotic to not pounce on that offer. Are we really expecting McKee to be the eventual replacement for Jalen or something?

Look to Joe Gibbs for your answer. When asked who the most important player on the team, Gibbs said it was the QB. When asked who the second most important player is on the team, Gibbs responded "the backup QB."

If Hurts goes down, McKee still gives the team a good chance to win. If you trade McKee for a draft pick (which may or may not work out), the team is in deep doo doo if Hurts can't play.

On 7/30/2025 at 9:04 PM, Bwestbrook36 said:

I see the value but, also know that odds of that ever happening again are about slim to none. You can draft qbs in the 6th round all day that will look decent in preseason and in meaningless games. Not taking a 2nd rounder or even having to think about it for basically an unknown that was drafted in the 6th round is nuts to me

Call me crazy but I think McKee could win a SB with this team. They have the best running game in the league along with the #1 defense. It’s a recipe for success.

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

There will always be some fans that prefer a McKee style QB to a Hurts style QB. But all I can say is Hurts is a proven player. He has demonstrated the leadership you want from your franchise QB and has proven himself in every aspect as a player. Teammates are behind him. Free agents want to come play here with him. Our FAs prefer to re-sign here to stay with him. The only downside to having such a good franchise QB is the contract that goes with that. So if one's goal is to replace that contract, how are you going to do that if the next QB is worth franchise money as well? McKee is entering year 3 of a 4-year deal. He should be eligible for an extension after this season.

Not only is Hurts the leader of this team, but the offense has been built around him. McKee is currently the backup and I am and have been rooting for him. Some here, though, seem to be full "Hoying" him. We haven't seen enough from him to put the kind of value (compensation) that some currently seem to be projecting here. If a team were dumb enough to offer a 2nd for him today, you take it and if you think he has a great future, that's how you give him that opportunity --- because we are set with our starter here.

For me it's definitely NOT about a QB that will make a run at the starting QB spot (that unquestionably belongs to Hurts and rightfully so). It is 100% about having the best option possible at backup QB in the unfortunate event Hurts does have to miss time due to injury on a team that is built to win it all again this year. And right now, even with limited experience, that is McKee.

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

There will always be some fans that prefer a McKee style QB to a Hurts style QB. But all I can say is Hurts is a proven player. He has demonstrated the leadership you want from your franchise QB and has proven himself in every aspect as a player. Teammates are behind him. Free agents want to come play here with him. Our FAs prefer to re-sign here to stay with him. The only downside to having such a good franchise QB is the contract that goes with that. So if one's goal is to replace that contract, how are you going to do that if the next QB is worth franchise money as well? McKee is entering year 3 of a 4-year deal. He should be eligible for an extension after this season.

Not only is Hurts the leader of this team, but the offense has been built around him. McKee is currently the backup and I am and have been rooting for him. Some here, though, seem to be full "Hoying" him. We haven't seen enough from him to put the kind of value (compensation) that some currently seem to be projecting here. If a team were dumb enough to offer a 2nd for him today, you take it and if you think he has a great future, that's how you give him that opportunity --- because we are set with our starter here.

You're taking this worse than Wentz after Hurts was drafted.

21 hours ago, Procus said:

Look to Joe Gibbs for your answer. When asked who the most important player on the team, Gibbs said it was the QB. When asked who the second most important player is on the team, Gibbs responded "the backup QB."

If Hurts goes down, McKee still gives the team a good chance to win. If you trade McKee for a draft pick (which may or may not work out), the team is in deep doo doo if Hurts can't play.

Not if the next backup is equally as capable of stepping in and doing a good job as McKee. Keep in mind that McKee moved to QB2 after we traded Pickett. He was QB3 all last year. People seem to be sure McKee is going to be great just because of about 5 quarters of play vs 2 really bad teams.

18 hours ago, time2rock said:

For me it's definitely NOT about a QB that will make a run at the starting QB spot (that unquestionably belongs to Hurts and rightfully so). It is 100% about having the best option possible at backup QB in the unfortunate event Hurts does have to miss time due to injury on a team that is built to win it all again this year. And right now, even with limited experience, that is McKee.

The assumption is McKee is setting some kind of backup QB bar and that no other option can reach the same bar. The truth is we (the fans) really don't know much about McKee to date and neither does the rest of the NFL. The latter usually helps inexperienced QBs while teams are amassing game film to prepare for him. I like what I've seen from McKee to date and don't want to fault him for the level of competition he has faced so far. I just think fans are getting a little ahead of themselves with his current value. When this team called itself a QB factory, that concept wasn't about stockpiling backups to keep around. It was a concept of developing prospects and turning them into assets (for trades). While I understand what you are saying, I'm not exactly wanting to see us use a 1st round pick on a potential "best backup QB possible" at a time when we have a legit top tier starting QB.

12 hours ago, MR-CYN said:

You're taking this worse than Wentz after Hurts was drafted.

It's more like: I'm not buying a McKee jersey just yet. I believe many potential backup QBs can also have a good game now and then. Speaking of Wentz, he's a current backup with a lot of starting experience currently looking for work and is relatively cheap. That isn't really something I want to see or am hoping to see or anything. But I'd take a 2nd for McKee right now without hesitation and sign a cheap vet backup with experience if I was afraid McCord and DTR were both totally incapable. As for those two, I'm kind of optimistic that McCord can potentially be as effective as McKee has been so far. My expectations for DTR are lower, but perhaps he'll develop here --- that would just be a bonus.

16 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The assumption is McKee is setting some kind of backup QB bar and that no other option can reach the same bar. The truth is we (the fans) really don't know much about McKee to date and neither does the rest of the NFL. The latter usually helps inexperienced QBs while teams are amassing game film to prepare for him. I like what I've seen from McKee to date and don't want to fault him for the level of competition he has faced so far. I just think fans are getting a little ahead of themselves with his current value. When this team called itself a QB factory, that concept wasn't about stockpiling backups to keep around. It was a concept of developing prospects and turning them into assets (for trades). While I understand what you are saying, I'm not exactly wanting to see us use a 1st round pick on a potential "best backup QB possible" at a time when we have a legit top tier starting QB.

You lost me there.

The Mormon Missile has already shown he can play. His upside is sky high. The sky is the limit. I think I'm going to get on the bus and buy his jersey now before all bandwagon dingleberries jump on. He'll probably be starting by October and winning his first Super Bowl this season. Take your draft picks losers. I'll take Super Bowls.

10 hours ago, time2rock said:

You lost me there.

It was a reference to the, "best option possible at backup QB." I'm saying, every draft, if that is the big concern, we can use our 1st round pick on a prospect potentially better than McKee. Obviously, none of us would do that, so I was pointing out that it really isn't the #1 concern heading into the season.

What I like about Howie is that while he has his sights set on the now, he also is always preparing for the future and trying to get us right back in 2026, 2037 , etc...

So when you can turn a 6th round pick into a 2nd round in just 2 seasons, you are improving your team's chances in the future. In this case, we would be compromising our current depth for 2025. So for Howie to pull the trigger on the hypothetical trade, he would have to have confidence in the other players he brought in (McCord and DTR). The one thing that I keep going back to is no matter how much the fans begged for McKee to be QB2 last year and how much they knocked and/or complained about Pickett, the coaches who evaluate every practice had Pickett as the clear QB2. So either they are all stupid, or maybe the fans are going a little overboard on McKee and part of the reason might be because they just didn't like Pickett.

To be fair to the fans, the stuff we were able to see (preseason and regular season), McKee was more productive than Pickett and generally just looked better. I just think:

1) it's too early for the mania

2) no team would even offer a 2nd right now

3) it would be stupid not to accept such a ridiculous offer

13 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It was a reference to the, "best option possible at backup QB." I'm saying, every draft, if that is the big concern, we can use our 1st round pick on a prospect potentially better than McKee. Obviously, none of us would do that, so I was pointing out that it really isn't the #1 concern heading into the season.

What I like about Howie is that while he has his sights set on the now, he also is always preparing for the future and trying to get us right back in 2026, 2037 , etc...

So when you can turn a 6th round pick into a 2nd round in just 2 seasons, you are improving your team's chances in the future. In this case, we would be compromising our current depth for 2025. So for Howie to pull the trigger on the hypothetical trade, he would have to have confidence in the other players he brought in (McCord and DTR). The one thing that I keep going back to is no matter how much the fans begged for McKee to be QB2 last year and how much they knocked and/or complained about Pickett, the coaches who evaluate every practice had Pickett as the clear QB2. So either they are all stupid, or maybe the fans are going a little overboard on McKee and part of the reason might be because they just didn't like Pickett.

To be fair to the fans, the stuff we were able to see (preseason and regular season), McKee was more productive than Pickett and generally just looked better. I just think:

1) it's too early for the mania

2) no team would even offer a 2nd right now

3) it would be stupid not to accept such a ridiculous offer

Obviously the comment about "best option possible at backup QB" was referring to those options on the roster currently (McKee, DTR, McCord). And yeah sure flipping a 2023 6th for a 2026 2nd would be tremendous but I still would not pull the trigger on that at this time considering the team's position as being a strong contender for a championship. We can always flip him for a draft pick after the season if that is the direction they intend to move in.