15 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

If all but one starter is back there should be no reason for it to look this sluggish or shakey past play design and that is on yhe OC. Two yesterday with DG out and that is a problem because they need a backup TE but still.

Vic has vastly more experience on the other side but has new starters at DT, LB, S, and CB2 and they mostly have their crap together or at least trending in a positive way past Jackson.

When you have mostly the same players, supposedly in the same system, which is why they promoted him, it shouldn't look that bad.

The sky isn't falling yet but he does not look prepared to be an OC.

The whole team has to get it together.. and the first 3 games is today equivalent to the training camp of old.

I expect to see a different offense by game 5-6. More cohesiveness.

16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah, but I don’t remember them just abandoning the RPO though.

and is it bad though? I remember ton of complains that Hurts doesn't read it correctly...or often reads it incorrectly to be more precise...basically all I would like to see is probably a bit more play actions from under the center and to compensate it a little more runs from shotgun...but ye, still week two, hopefully Sirianny learned from 2023

1 hour ago, Vlad67 said:

and is it bad though? I remember ton of complains that Hurts doesn't read it correctly...or often reads it incorrectly to be more precise...basically all I would like to see is probably a bit more play actions from under the center and to compensate it a little more runs from shotgun...but ye, still week two, hopefully Sirianny learned from 2023

I don’t agree with Hurts reading it incorrectly. I think that is the only thing that has been consistent for him. It won them a Super Bowl and off that Barkley had a career year. Now we can’t even get Barkley to 100 rush yards, and these traditional defenses drop backs aren’t even getting us 5 yards per play. The RPO action was the play action you seek. At least the RPO forded defenses to account for runs or passes by everyone. Now the defenses can simply force the Eagles to do everything short. The only good things that has happened with this offense so far has all been busted plays.

17 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

If all but one starter is back there should be no reason for it to look this sluggish or shakey past play design and that is on yhe OC. Two yesterday with DG out and that is a problem because they need a backup TE but still.

Vic has vastly more experience on the other side but has new starters at DT, LB, S, and CB2 and they mostly have their crap together or at least trending in a positive way past Jackson.

When you have mostly the same players, supposedly in the same system, which is why they promoted him, it shouldn't look that bad.

The sky isn't falling yet but he does not look prepared to be an OC.

It's my opinion that the offensive play calling has a lot to do with making things easier for the defense. So far in time of possession, we've had the ball for 15 more minutes combined in the first 2 games. As more of these guys on defense gain experience and get more comfortable, we'll likely start playing a little more aggressively on offense.

There's no doubt that a run-heavy short passing offense allows defenses to play closer to the line of scrimmage, making things more difficult for the offense --- so that won't happen all year. We will open things up moving forward. I just believe that this is the early season design and so far it hasn't been as pretty, but it has produced wins both times. I mean, it's pretty obvious that when you run these draws on 3rd and 15, you are setting up your defense on their next series. By eating the clock each game, we are limiting the defensive snaps.

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

The whole team has to get it together.. and the first 3 games is today equivalent to the training camp of old.

I expect to see a different offense by game 5-6. More cohesiveness.

I agree with you because the offense doesn’t seem to have a lot of open receivers, the quarterback is still holding the ball a bit too long, and the offense line seems to be struggling in both pass and run blocking. The only thing that looks familiar is the Bro Shove.

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

It's my opinion that the offensive play calling has a lot to do with making things easier for the defense. So far in time of possession, we've had the ball for 15 more minutes combined in the first 2 games. As more of these guys on defense gain experience and get more comfortable, we'll likely start playing a little more aggressively on offense.

There's no doubt that a run-heavy short passing offense allows defenses to play closer to the line of scrimmage, making things more difficult for the offense --- so that won't happen all year. We will open things up moving forward. I just believe that this is the early season design and so far it hasn't been as pretty, but it has produced wins both times. I mean, it's pretty obvious that when you run these draws on 3rd and 15, you are setting up your defense on their next series. By eating the clock each game, we are limiting the defensive snaps.

And keeping Mahomes on the sidelines. That feels like a playing not to lose style instead of playing to win though. Also how about drawing up some plays that takes the team forward and not backwards. They ran the ball on first down nearly every series. They had a series that they ran two plays that netted them two yards. Every play doesn’t have to be a bomb, but you can’t look at what you have been seeing for two weeks and tell me this looks like an offense that is streamlined and are just (getting it together any moment now.) They don’t look like they’re just two weeks away from being great and the schedule isn’t getting that much easier from here.

18 hours ago, Eagles_ftw said:

Sorry, I ate too many beans.

You've got to stop at 239.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

And keeping Mahomes on the sidelines. That feels like a playing not to lose style instead of playing to win though. Also how about drawing up some plays that takes the team forward and not backwards. They ran the ball on first down nearly every series. They had a series that they ran two plays that netted them two yards. Every play doesn’t have to be a bomb, but you can’t look at what you have been seeing for two weeks and tell me this looks like an offense that is streamlined and are just (getting it together any moment now.) They don’t look like they’re just two weeks away from being great and the schedule isn’t getting that much easier from here.

It is a conservative approach. I prefer a more aggressive one, but wins are the most important result. At the end of the day, a gameplan should give you the best chance of defeating your opponent if executed properly. If it is not working, then you should adjust (in game) quickly. We have not had to adjust to this point.

As I said in another post, we are the team to beat. We are the measuring stick. Teams are coming prepared to play against us and wins won't be coming easy.

Look we are 2 and 0 and there’s a lot of positives to take away from that. We haven’t played well yet but we’ve won. The defense has stepped up after early struggles against Dallas. The rookies have looked ready and impactful. The team clearly has a mental resolve and believes they will win no matter how they play. Elliot is definitely back and kicking great again. We just won a tough road game versus a team that needed a win and was desperate to bounce back after a week one loss.

But this offense… It’s ugly! And it might only be week two but has struggled and it hasn’t looked good at all. Barkley has been kept pretty quiet. The passing game has 250 yards through 2 games. A good game for (not even a great game) is 250 yards. So what’s going on?

It was the same struggles in the regular season last year. It was the same struggles in 2023. We won games but we struggled and we often didn’t impress. And that’s fine but eventually you either have to play well or you get found out. But these concerns are there all too often. And I don’t know why we keep having them. We know we have the weapons. We know we have a great OL. We know Hurts can play great and can throw the ball. So what is happening? They have to fix it! They have to.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It is a conservative approach. I prefer a more aggressive one, but wins are the most important result. At the end of the day, a gameplan should give you the best chance of defeating your opponent if executed properly. If it is not working, then you should adjust (in game) quickly. We have not had to adjust to this point.

As I said in another post, we are the team to beat. We are the measuring stick. Teams are coming prepared to play against us and wins won't be coming easy.

I think even this team know and understands what they’re doing on offense isn't going to cut it especially when you are the team to beat. Let’s keep it real. The Eagles didn’t face the Chiefs at their best and you and I both know the Cowboys aren’t that good. The Eagles need to (in particular on offense) need to stop giving C efforts when they’re getting A+ efforts from their opponents.

Barkley is the best RB in the league. After a record-breaking season, defense would want to stop him. History also says that the odd is against him to be as good as the record season. Pretty sure he will still be one of the emphases of the offense. The passing game has to picked up more and be a balance attack, though it has not piled up the yardage. WR3 is supposed to be a larger piece of the passing game. Contributions from TE group also present questions. The New OC is another factor unclear so far. Maybe things will fall into place with time and playing together.

Just read the piece at the Eagles website, the OC called a conservative game. It seems that he was afraid to make mistakes and cause the team to lose. Not secured on his job and still trying to prove himself. Nick needs to get involved more to steer the offense in the right direction.

20 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Maybe, or maybe they run that slow paced offense to keep Stafford and those receivers off the field.

Well they had better score then, because so far, LA Rams have allowed ONE touchdown. Admittedly, they have only played Titans and Texans, but they have a pretty solid defense.

Feels strange seeing every team able to get an offense going, passing.. and then theres philly.

Ah well. Keep winning.

It’s been this way for what 3 years now? Hurts best regular season was 2022? And since we’ve seen him struggle and this offense struggle in the passing game. But they take care of the ball and early in a season I think that’s been enough to win them games. And ultimately it’s about stacking wins and playing your best football in the play offs. We all want it to be better I’m just not sure we are going to get that.

On 9/19/2025 at 12:20 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It’s been this way for what 3 years now? Hurts best regular season was 2022? And since we’ve seen him struggle and this offense struggle in the passing game. But they take care of the ball and early in a season I think that’s been enough to win them games. And ultimately it’s about stacking wins and playing your best football in the play offs. We all want it to be better I’m just not sure we are going to get that.

At least last year we got explosive runs. We can barely even get three yards a carry now. This team also used to go deep. They’re barely even trying now.

This: comes back to Nick not being a play-caller or play designer. He is the figure head. He's the motivator and the players' coach. But he wins. The hiring from inside of a coordinator who really has no record of calling plays. Yet, he's been around the game and on Nick's staff. Patty seems so inept.

1 hour ago, seengreen said:

This: comes back to Nick not being a play-caller or play designer. He is the figure head. He's the motivator and the players' coach. But he wins. The hiring from inside of a coordinator who really has no record of calling plays. Yet, he's been around the game and on Nick's staff. Patty seems so inept.

You know it’s weird… I feel like our scripted 10-15 plays are actually okay. In fact last year we struggled mightily in the first quarter of games and now we seem to be getting it right in those early drives. But after that it goes to s***. Patullo just doesn’t seem to be very good at calling plays and everything feels forced and hard work. I hope that changes and improves but it just feels off.

I am surprised that our O coaches didn't anticipate other teams stacking the box to stop Saquon and be more pass centric this year. It took a game that we were about to lose to make that change. We use the excuse that we have a new O coordinator so things are not gelling yet. Other teams like Buffalo and Detroit get new coordinators and don't miss a beat. I think it has to do with the experience level of the hire.

The thing I don’t quite get is… We know Jalen can put in big impressive performances right? He has done it twice in the SB, he was great in the NFCCG last year too. He’s played well in big spots in the regular season too. So we know he can do it and he has done it. 2022 he was great in the regular season too for the most part.

We also know he doesn’t have the strongest arm and he doesn’t have a cannon. But what he does do is look after the ball for the most part. So why can’t they take the stabilisers off a bit earlier? Why can’t they let Jalen air it out more? Why does it have to be so conservative but then from time to time we let him dominate and he does.

What’s that all about?

The defenses are showing them different looks than what they see in the film room during the week. What are they supposed to do besides throw a 3 yard hook or run up the middle into a 10 man box? s/

Barkley hasn't really been a factor this year. He has had some pretty modest rushing numbers through the first 3 games (although he has scored twice) and he hasn't really been much of a threat as a receiver. I don't know how much is what they're running or the impact of losing Becton and replacing him with Steen. Becton was around 15th last year for run block grade out of all guards, Steen is currently ranked 65th of 95 guards. That is a huge drop off and for a team that wants to be run heavy.

51 minutes ago, Poopy said:

Barkley hasn't really been a factor this year. He has had some pretty modest rushing numbers through the first 3 games (although he has scored twice) and he hasn't really been much of a threat as a receiver. I don't know how much is what they're running or the impact of losing Becton and replacing him with Steen. Becton was around 15th last year for run block grade out of all guards, Steen is currently ranked 65th of 95 guards. That is a huge drop off and for a team that wants to be run heavy.

Have to factor in he ran over 2,000 yards and then add in playoffs and super bowl. Historically rbs have a down year after a 2,000 yard season.

13 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Have to factor in he ran over 2,000 yards and then add in playoffs and super bowl. Historically rbs have a down year after a 2,000 yard season.

Though he doesn’t exactly look slow when he does get the ball, but if that were the case why have the Eagle focused so hard on running the football?

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Though he doesn’t exactly look slow when he does get the ball, but if that were the case why have the Eagle focused so hard on running the football?

Idk man