1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Commanders in sell mode.

Getting help at Oline is attractive

Just now, justwinbaby said:

No you weren't

Incorrect

I may be getting greedy here and this may be overkill, but bullet proof this team in current lack of depth areas. Won't cost you much. These are moves to be made for depth more than anything else.

1) Zach Ertz- Goedert is beating the odds this year and has missed only one game.

2) Calais Campbell-Swap for a pick and or a depth piece (Ringo).

Byron Young shouldn't ever see the field. Like the wily vet in the locker room to add to BG.

3) Justin Simmons-Free Agent. Familiarity with Fangio and a fall back plan if anyone goes down. Can't be asking for much at this point. Epps is injured.

Can never have too much talent.

Some fan Facebook page made this, I just love the pics of Howie they used. Haha. GOAT GM.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Incorrect

Everyone sees through all your BS

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Back in the day, fans of other teams saw Mike Schmidt as the best 3B in baseball. Philly fans saw a player who struck out too much.

Howie is going to miss on picks and free agents. He can't be perfect, but his decision-making process is sound. And what he does well, trades and cap management, he's exceptional at.

Howie gets that it's the totality of your moves that win Championships not one individual move. Fans here also weirdly obsess about picks that he routinely picks up rather easily during the draft day trades.

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Exactly. Didn’t become an Eagles fan until I was in third grade. All I knew about football prior to that year is that it was something my dad watched on television sometimes. But he took me to an Eagles game that year and I was instantly hooked. From that moment until I graduated high school, the Eagles never had a winning record. They were an embarrassment for an entire decade.

We’ve been mostly good for about thirty years but right now is the absolute peak.

Yup...I moved from Philly to CA in 1973 when the excitement was a washed up Roman Gabriel and the rookie draft pick Mike Boryla. It was the worst on the West Coast because the Eagles were never on national games. My only exposure to highlights would be the rare appearance on Monday Night football halftime highlights. There were never reviews on the late night news. I could catch a glimpse once in a while from the NFL films series, but the images of the Eagles were always of them feebly trying to tackle Roger Staubach etc.. They were rarely, if ever on local TV in the Bay Area. Otherwise my connection was the next day newspaper and eventually the sporting news. Dick Vermeil and his early success changed all of that...and finally ESPN around 1981-1982. It was a very dark period...

MVP Watch: Stafford and Jalen Hurts (and why Allen and Mahomes don't belong)

Out of top 10 stats or out of division lead in red

Stafford now has 9 TDs in his last 2 games and he is a clear top 5 MVP candidate if not the favorite of the voters now.

Lets see where Hurts with 7 passing TD s in his last 2 game stands.

Stafford is 3rd in the league at TD to INT ratio at 21 to 2 or 11.5 to 1

• Hurts is 1st at 15 to 1

• Lamar is 2nd at 14 to 1

• Mahomes is 17 to 5 or 3.4 to 1

• Allen is 13 to 4 or 3.3 to 1

Stafford is 6th in the NFL at passer rating at 113.2. Hurts is 5th at 114.4

• Lamar is 1 at 136.7

• Maye is 2 at 116.9

• Mahomes is 12th at 98.2

• Allen is 8th at 107

Stafford is 3rd at ANY/A with 8.34 (passing plus sacks but no rushing stats) Hurts is 9th at 7.49

• Darnold is 1 at 9.43

• Lamar is 2nd at 8.81

• Mahomes is 10th at 7.07

• Allen is 7th at 7.58

Stafford is 1st at total TDs with 21 Hurts has 20. Allen also has 20

• Herbert has 19

• Mahomes has 21 (but in 9 games)

• Goff has 17

• Maye has 19 (but in 9 games)

• Darnold has 16

Stafford is 8th in the league at yards per attempt. Hurts is 9th, just decimal points behind with both at 7.8

• Darnold is 1st at 9.6

• Lamar is 2nd at 9.1

• Mahomes is 11th at 7.4

• Allen is 5th at 8.2

Stafford is 3rd in the NFL at low interception % with 0.7% Hurts is 2nd at 0.5%

• Fields is 1st at 0.0% since he has 5 TDs and no picks

• Baker is in a virtual tie with Stafford at 0.7 but decimal points behind

• Mahomes is 13th at 1.6

• Allen is 16th at 1.8

Stafford is 2nd at TD % with 7.7 Hurts is 6th in a virtual tie with 5th Rodgers at 7.0

• Lamar is at a video game 11.9

• Darnold is 7.4

• Mahomes is 13th at 5.4

• Allen is 8th at 5.8

Stafford has led his team to the current 5th seed in the NFC. Hurts has led his Eagles to the current 1 seed

• Baker is 2nd

• Darnold is 3rd

• Mahomes is out of the playoffs in 8th

• Allen is 5th seed in the AFC

NEXT GEN STATS:

Completions over expected: Stafford is 11th at 2.9 just behind Rattler. Hurts is 3rd at 7.6

This stat is how good are you at the difficult throws.

• Maye is 1st at 9.6

• Darnold is 2nd with 9.3

• Mahomes is 28th at negative 1.6

• Allen is 13th at 2.4

Intended Air Yards: Stafford is 4th at 9.2. Hurts is 6th at 8.7 (in a virtual tie with 5th Mariota at 8.7)

This stat is stretch the field with actual QB play vs dink and dunk.

• Wilson is 1st (probably due to small sample size and the Cowboys game)

• Darnold is 2nd in a virtual tie with Wilson at 9.6

• Lamar is 3rd in a virtual tie with Stafford at 9.2

• Mahomes is 18th at 8.1

• Allen is 27th at 7.5

In case you want a pretend stat like QBR

• Dak is QBR MVP right now 💩

Stafford, Maye, Hurts, Darnold, Lamar (if you think he eventually plays enough games) are the best passing QBs so far in 2025.

You can bump up Allen for his running but you also have to bump up Hurts and Lamar.

Stafford, Hurts and Maye should be top 3 in MVP right now based on results and stats on the field.

• Darnold is closing fast.

• Lamar may work back in if he wins the division and plays 13 or 14 games.

• Allen is working his way into the on field play conversation with the New England rematch being huge. (he needs to take the AFC East MVP from Maye for starters)

• Jonathan Taylor ended his MVP shot yesterday. It might not be fair but its true.

Mahomes is not a top 25 NFL player on the field this year. He will be 1/2 a game ahead of Dak's Cowboys with very Dak stats if Dallas beats Arizona.

He has 1 road win vs the Giants.

1 minute ago, justwinbaby said:

Everyone sees through all your BS

You don't know my intentions. You do seem obsessed though as I don't interact with you either yet you constantly jump in too. I believe I told you before that you should put me on ignore if you can't help it

Just now, Mike030270 said:

You don't know my intentions. You do seem obsessed though as I don't interact with you either yet you constantly jump in too. I believe I told you before that you should put me on ignore if you can't help it

Everyone seems obsessed with you these days huh? You're fragile. Take the criticism and move on. You were over the line.

Just now, justwinbaby said:

Everyone seems obsessed with you these days huh? You're fragile. Take the criticism and move on. You were over the line.

I said you and him... not everyone. Reading comprehension much? I don't interact with you and you don't like my posts. I'd recommend again that you put me on ignore

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

MVP Watch: Stafford and Jalen Hurts (and why Allen and Mahomes don't belong)

Out of top 10 stats or out of division lead in red

Stafford now has 9 TDs in his last 2 games and he is a clear top 5 MVP candidate if not the favorite of the voters now.

Lets see where Hurts with 7 passing TD s in his last 2 game stands.

Stafford is 3rd in the league at TD to INT ratio at 21 to 2 or 11.5 to 1

• Hurts is 1st at 15 to 1

• Lamar is 2nd at 14 to 1

• Mahomes is 17 to 5 or 3.4 to 1

• Allen is 13 to 4 or 3.3 to 1

Stafford is 6th in the NFL at passer rating at 113.2. Hurts is 5th at 114.4

• Lamar is 1 at 136.7

• Maye is 2 at 116.9

• Mahomes is 12th at 98.2

• Allen is 8th at 107

Stafford is 3rd at ANY/A with 8.34 (passing plus sacks but no rushing stats) Hurts is 9th at 7.49

• Darnold is 1 at 9.43

• Lamar is 2nd at 8.81

• Mahomes is 10th at 7.07

• Allen is 7th at 7.58

Stafford is 1st at total TDs with 21 Hurts has 20. Allen also has 20

• Herbert has 19

• Mahomes has 21 (but in 9 games)

• Goff has 17

• Maye has 19 (but in 9 games)

• Darnold has 16

Stafford is 8th in the league at yards per attempt. Hurts is 9th, just decimal points behind with both at 7.8

• Darnold is 1st at 9.6

• Lamar is 2nd at 9.1

• Mahomes is 11th at 7.4

• Allen is 5th at 8.2

Stafford is 3rd in the NFL at low interception % with 0.7% Hurts is 2nd at 0.5%

• Fields is 1st at 0.0% since he has 5 TDs and no picks

• Baker is in a virtual tie with Stafford at 0.7 but decimal points behind

• Mahomes is 13th at 1.6

• Allen is 16th at 1.8

Stafford is 2nd at TD % with 7.7 Hurts is 6th in a virtual tie with 5th Rodgers at 7.0

• Lamar is at a video game 11.9

• Darnold is 7.4

• Mahomes is 13th at 5.4

• Allen is 8th at 5.8

Stafford has led his team to the current 5th seed in the NFC. Hurts has led his Eagles to the current 1 seed

• Baker is 2nd

• Darnold is 3rd

• Mahomes is out of the playoffs in 8th

• Allen is 5th seed in the AFC

NEXT GEN STATS:

Completions over expected: Stafford is 11th at 2.9 just behind Rattler. Hurts is 3rd at 7.6

This stat is how good are you at the difficult throws.

• Maye is 1st at 9.6

• Darnold is 2nd with 9.3

• Mahomes is 28th at negative 1.6

• Allen is 13th at 2.4

Intended Air Yards: Stafford is 4th at 9.2. Hurts is 6th at 8.7 (in a virtual tie with 5th Mariota at 8.7)

This stat is stretch the field with actual QB play vs dink and dunk.

• Wilson is 1st (probably due to small sample size and the Cowboys game)

• Darnold is 2nd in a virtual tie with Wilson at 9.6

• Lamar is 3rd in a virtual tie with Stafford at 9.2

• Mahomes is 18th at 8.1

• Allen is 27th at 7.5

In case you want a pretend stat like QBR

• Dak is QBR MVP right now 💩

Stafford, Maye, Hurts, Darnold, Lamar (if you think he eventually plays enough games) are the best passing QBs so far in 2025.

You can bump up Allen for his running but you also have to bump up Hurts and Lamar.

So Stafford, Hurts and Maye should be top 3 in MVP right now based on results and stats on the field.

Darnold is closing fast.

Lamar may work back in if he wins the division and plays 13 or 14 games.

Allen is working his way into the on field play conversation with the New England rematch being huge.

Mahomes is not a top 25 NFL player on the field this year. He will be 1/2 a game ahead of Dak's Cowboys with very Dak stats if Dallas beats Arizona.

He has 1 road win vs the Giants.

Been saying for years here, Chiefs won because of their Championship defense and Spags. Why I harp so much on defense in here. The main problem with the Chiefs right now is their OL and Chris Jones may be close to done. Mahomes ain't prime Mahomes right now, but the team isn't as good. Cost of winning championships in losing depth and drafting close to last every year. They can still beat anybody over there if fully healthy.

23 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Wasn't meant as a personal attack lol I was genuinely asking

No you weren’t.

Just now, just relax said:

No you weren’t.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Incorrect

But do keep telling me

Hope Youtube TV and Disney get their crap figured out by Monday. Don't want to have to sign up for another service or buy a digital antenna. Not watching tonight's game because of it. I suspect they won't both sides seem dug in.

45 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Seriously asking. Are you on the spectrum?

Over the line.

55 minutes ago, erformc said:

Roster tango will be interesting.

- When Nolan Smith is back they'll have 6 DEs. Usually they'd dress 4 or 5. Normally that would mean Patrick Johnson would likely get cut (along with AJ Dillon, who's a goner). But he's a core ST guy, so it likely he not only stays, but dresses. Also, many of those DEs have injury histories, and PJ has done a decent job as a pass rusher. I don't think they want to lose him to waivers like they did last year.

- When Bennett is back, they'll have 8 CBs. At most they'll dress 6. McWilliams sits, but they didn't trade for Alexander and Carter just to have them sit on game day. That leaves Adoree Jackson or Ringo as the odd man out. Ringo is a damn good (and core) STer, so that leaves Jackson. I really don't see another obvious cut on the roster so if they can't trade him he's the most likely cut/IR candidate.
- Besides Dillon and Jackson who are the other possible cuts?
Granson? Latu could fill in as the 3rd TE and if Granson clears waivers you've got 5 potential PS elevations remaining between Granson and EJ Jenkins if Goedert or Grant gets hurt.
Byron Young? Doubtful as I don't think they trust Robinson to be the 4th DT (and he won't be active on game day if someone gets hurt).
Gipson? Doubtful as that would leave them with only 4 WRs and he's done a good job as the KR/PR.
Patrick Johnson? Doubtful (see above)

- Assuming Dillon and Jackson get cut/IRd, who are the inactives? That's not as easy of a questions as it seems.
1. Howell
2. McWilliams
3. Robinson
4. Kendall
You need 2 more. Here's where it gets interesting.
Patrick Johnson- Again, he's a core STer. If you're not going to activate him, you might as well cut him, but as stated above,
Darius Cooper - That leaves you mighty thin at WR on game day, and with Gipson as your 3rd WR if there's an injury, which is far from ideal.
Cam Latu - Doubtful. He's important to the run game, especially on play action and used in a decent bit of sets.
Smael Mondon Jr. - This is most likely even though he's a core STer. Dean and Trot Jr. are better backup LBs.
Kylen Granson - Probably, even though he's a core STer, because Latu could fill in for him as TE2 if there's an in-game injury, thought it may leave them unable to run plays out of 12 personnel that also require a FB.

Latu is a fantastic ST player, TE3/FB. He's safe IMO

Mondon isn't going anywhere.

Gipson is their new returner, he's not going anywhere.

Cooper is WR4 now with Metchie gone. He's safe.

With Ty Robinson on the 53 and Gabe Hall on the PS, Byron Young should be nervous. I don't see anything with him.

Adoree Jackson should be cut.

AJ Dillon should be cut.

I would try to trade Sam Howell for anything at this point.

To think about the value of a 3rd round pick, I used an AI tool to look at draft pick data. I was using data from Pro-Football reference and looking a 3rd round picks from 2010 to 2024. I just sorted the data by games started. They gave up a coin-toss chance for a starter. The trade is a win if he is prodcutive this season and helps the team. If he is relatively unproductive, not re-signing still will likely result in a comp pick or help to get one. So, the 50/50 chances are somewhat mitigated by the future chance to replace a player with what would likely be a later round pick. They could also decide to re-sign him if he is productive and he would cost less than he would on the open market. Here are the exact numbers of 3rd-round players (2010–2024) by career games started:

• 0–15 GS: 262 players → 45.17%

• 16–31 GS: 103 players → 17.76%

• 32–63 GS: 99 players → 17.07%

• 64+ GS: 116 players → 20.00%

For 3rd-round picks #86–100, here’s how players break down by total games started:

• 0–15 GS: 107 players → 49.31%

• 16–31 GS: 38 players → 17.51%

• 32–63 GS: 38 players → 17.51%

• 64+ GS: 34 players → 15.67%

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

Been saying for years here, Chiefs won because of their Chamionship defense and Spags. Why I harp so much on defense in here. The main problem with the Chiefs right now is their OL and Chris Jones may be close to done. Mahomes ain't prime Mahomes right now, but the team isn't as good. Cost of winning championships in losing depth and drafting close to last every year. They can still beat anybody over there if fully healthy.

Mahomes was the best statistical QB through X number of games from 2018-2022. He deserves 1st ballot for that but the 2025 season is not about gold jackets.

He's just an average guy now.

he made his way into legit 2nd best QB but after BTA he dropped back behind Joe Montana.

You can say he has some mystique if you count that almost all of his playoff games are at home and that he lost 3 playoff games on the field last year but the refs cheated for 2 of them.

He did not win any playoff games on merit in 2024 and he needed a Zay Flowers fumble at the 1 to win a 17-10 game and the SB was over until a punt hit the 49ers leg.

This does not mean he was not still very good and clutch to take advantage, but he was not special and it was not mojo or mystique.

I think I isolated the worst part of his game. He makes so many routine throws to open windows into WR dives at knee to thigh height when better QBs put those at chest. shoulder, head height.

20 other NFL QBs make about 4 or 5 less mistakes than Mahomes did yesterday.

The pass on his first 3rd down was pathetic.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Hope Youtube TV and Disney get their crap figured out by Monday. Don't want to have to sign up for another service or buy a digital antenna. Not watching tonight's game because of it. I suspect they won't both sides seem dug in.

Didn't it happen last year too?

From ESPN a week ago. Good against the run also

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Absolutely. If he didn't have input I'm worried. If he did then I'm excited. Remember, he is the guy who wanted Hunt who struggled a bit early but had a good game and played well at the end of last year. I trust his input on players especially if they have played for him in the past.

Now, if for some reason Howie didn't talk to Vic that's another story. I can't imagine he wouldn't have in this situation, though.

Oh, I am completely confident he did. I just want to see what Vic says when asked, he's always fun in his pressers.

3 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I wouldn't mind one last trade for depth at TE or DT

I still want Michael Mayer. I’d be willing to give a 5th for a season and a half of him.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Hope Youtube TV and Disney get their crap figured out by Monday. Don't want to have to sign up for another service or buy a digital antenna. Not watching tonight's game because of it. I suspect they won't both sides seem dug in.

I think ESPN probably got what they wanted out of this which is people panicking and buying ESPN+ over the weekend.

Haven't heard a peep about it since Saturday.