30 minutes ago, Gannan said:

how it will make housing cheaper

He's had said sooo many laughably stupid things, I keep forgetting some of the best ones.

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Three

Rheeeeeee

How secure do you think Petro and the other tinhorn dictators and Cartel bosses in that region are feeling right now? They know it won’t take much for their people to want some of that liberation for themselves.

11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Running a country? But we were told there would be no boots on the grounnnnnnnnnd!

Imagine thinking that you can topple a foreign regime and not have boots on the ground in the aftermath of it.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

How secure do you think Petro and the other tinhorn dictators and Cartel bosses in that region are feeling right now? They know it won’t take much for their people to want some of that liberation for themselves.

Are you now onboard with being the global policeman?

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Are you now onboard with being the global policeman?

Nope, but at least this is in our hemisphere and part of a strategy he put in place, and telegraphed, immediately after his reelection. He’s reimposing our influence in our region after decades of corruption and negligence. Buckle up because it’s going to get wild.

13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He's had said sooo many laughably stupid things, I keep forgetting some of the best ones.

Pretty sure he was one of the earliest posters in the pizzagate thread. And let's not forget the old classic 99th percentile IQ

2 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Nope, but at least this is in our hemisphere and part of a strategy he put in place, and telegraphed, immediately after his reelection. He’s reimposing our influence in our region after decades of corruption and negligence. Buckle up because it’s going to get wild.

Well at least you now admit his campaign story was full of sheet.

China is pissed that the US just took control over the oil that is being used as collateral for the billions of dollars Of loans they gave Venezuela. This was never about drugs, Obviously, but now you know why china was there this week.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-says-deeply-shocked-us-145527537.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEWMNgJ2HcbCSPe8WhfcRz6Cy0vlrppBR3e9AVvm_tMzJ7Mx1BZ-2DyJS1JILNB2d7PRP9hHR-rTWwzXbnlurRNK5Jb37OAJ16fHTXi3O4MDfI6IaVikyr3KMEO9mg-tvwfwjo8-0iD2pJYtTUTgjEBeokPrOdWV6l2cZSYa4b9W

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Well at least you now admit his campaign story was full of sheet.

Still waiting for a war. It is amusing to watch you all caterwaul about this after trying your hardest to drag US in to war in Ukraine for 4 years now.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

Still waiting for a war. It is amusing to watch you all caterwaul about this after trying your hardest to drag US in to war in Ukraine for 4 years now.

There is zero comparison between those two. In any case, I’ve never once suggested that we should take direct action in the Ukraine. However, more boots will be on the ground in Venezuela shortly.

7 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Still waiting for a war. It is amusing to watch you all caterwaul about this after trying your hardest to drag US in to war in Ukraine for 4 years now.

6 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Still waiting for a war. It is amusing to watch you all caterwaul about this after trying your hardest to drag US in to war in Ukraine for 4 years now.

No one has been trying to drag the US into war in Ukraine numbnuts. Giving them money and weapons so that they have a better chance at fighting Russia is what will keep the US OUT of war over there.

But we now will have a military presence in Venezuela for an extended period of time. (You know, BOOTS ON THE GROUND) and you’re all in favor of that.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

No one has been trying to drag the US into war in Ukraine numbnuts. Giving them money and weapons so that they have a better chance at fighting Russia is what will keep the US OUT of war over there.

But we now will have a military presence in Venezuela for an extended period of time. (You know, BOOTS ON THE GROUND) and you’re all in favor of that.

They didn’t vote for that but when Daddy says jump they are happy to abide. The single principle is to obey.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

There is zero comparison between those two. In any case, I’ve never once suggested that we should take direct action in the Ukraine. However, more boots will be on the ground in Venezuela shortly.

Eh, we’ll see. Not a big fan of some of what he said today but time will tell. My biggest concern is why China was there, and if we promised them anything in return for any assistance they may have provided. There may have been none but, if there was I can think of only one thing they’d want in return.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

Eh, we’ll see. Not a big fan of some of what he said today but time will tell. My biggest concern is why China was there, and if we promised them anything in return for any assistance they may have provided. There may have been none but, if there was I can think of only one thing they’d want in return.

You seem to be in support of the sphere of influence approach. Dividing the world into three.

While I am a left leaning moderate, I actually think this may be a good thing. Since DC for years has considered Venezuela a criminal state, they tried diplomacy by putting sanctions on their oil trade, but it didn't work, Iran started a shadow fleet years ago, so they were still getting money from sales which only kept the current regimes corruption going, then, Russia joined in 22 and China, well China is always trying to screw us. If we wanted their oil it would be cheaper just to buy it and way less risk. However, this isnt about oil, what it is about is Iran Russia and China now have access to a place really close to home. I know the Venezuelans hated Maduro. So there is that too. While I hate war, and wish there was away to avoid it, sometimes it may not be possible. To me this is all about our security.

By the way, I am a Never Trumper. Cant stand the tangerine tyrant, But on this issue I think he may be doing the right thing.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You seem to be in support of the sphere of influence approach. Dividing the world into three.

I think it only prudent in this day and age.

28 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Still waiting for a war. It is amusing to watch you all caterwaul about this after trying your hardest to drag US in to war in Ukraine for 4 years now.

We invaded a foreign country and US serviceman were shot. Sure sounds like a war to me.

6 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I think it only prudent in this day and age.

Very well. Essentially, you are opening up for a period of global warfare, i.e. the final nail in the coffin for the post WWII order and the entire world enters a new massive game of Risk. Taiwan is toast. Canada/Greenland invaded. Moldova/Baltics/Poland under fire. It goes on from there.

18 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Eh, we’ll see. Not a big fan of some of what he said today but time will tell. My biggest concern is why China was there, and if we promised them anything in return for any assistance they may have provided. There may have been none but, if there was I can think of only one thing they’d want in return.

China was there because they are Venezuela’s bank. They have tens of billions in loans. They take oil as collateral. They knew Trump was Coming for It and Madura. They were there to try to protect their investments. Now they’re pissed. Expect china to retaliate with heavy economic ploys to cost us more money. The affordability president just created a major economic disaster.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Very well. Essentially, you are opening up for a period of global warfare, i.e. the final nail in the coffin for the post WWII order and the entire world enters a new massive game of Risk. Taiwan is toast. Canada/Greenland invaded. Moldova/Baltics/Poland under fire. It goes on from there.

This. One of the noble wars we fought after WW2 was the first gulf war because it established a line that such things were unacceptable. Now not only is the Trump regime happy to hand over Ukrainian land to reward such a move, we are engaging in it ourselves.

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

This. One of the noble wars we fought after WW2 was the first gulf war because it established a line that such things were unacceptable. Now not only is the Trump regime happy to hand over Ukrainian land to reward such a move, we are engaging in it ourselves.

Exactly. I don’t actually think we will invade Canada any time soon but the Risk game will proceed with greater speed now. Taiwan is in play and Russia will eventually wear down Ukraine and move elsewhere now that US funds will be tied up in the Western Hemisphere.

14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Very well. Essentially, you are opening up for a period of global warfare, i.e. the final nail in the coffin for the post WWII order and the entire world enters a new massive game of Risk. Taiwan is toast. Canada/Greenland invaded. Moldova/Baltics/Poland under fire. It goes on from there.

I don’t think it leads to warfare, I think it stops it. More dominos are likely to fall soon, with little to no additional US military action. Less certain is how to achieve his objectives up north, but that could, potentially, have a peaceful solution as well.