IMO, we seem to have a bit more creativity when we're in the Red Zone. But, between the 20's, ehh, not so much. 🧐

On 12/3/2025 at 7:30 AM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Then you would have hated andy Reid because that was 12 yrs of " I need to do a better job" . All coaches do this, there is a name for it it's called coach speak.

Players love that stuff, because the coach is protecting his players. Now they need to go out there and work for him. Still I do wonder if there will come a time when all of the motivational talk falls on death ears and they turn this coach and his staff off.

23 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Players love that stuff, because the coach is protecting his players. Now they need to go out there and work for him. Still I do wonder if there will come a time when all of the motivational talk falls on death ears and they turn this coach and his staff off.

Yes, the rah rah type coaches tend to get ignored when the losing starts. They were able to bounce back after 2023. Not so sure Nick can survive another one like that if that's what ends up happening. I don't like comparing this season to 23 because it hasn't ended yet but, I'm also past the point of thinking they will magically turn this around. I'm just hoping they can at least end this season at a respectable level and at least fight till the end. That at least shows the players still believe in Nick

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yes, the rah rah type coaches tend to get ignored when the losing starts. They were able to bounce back after 2023. Not so sure Nick can survive another one like that if that's what ends up happening. I don't like comparing this season to 23 because it hasn't ended yet but, I'm also past the point of thinking they will magically turn this around. I'm just hoping they can at least end this season at a respectable level and at least fight till the end. That at least shows the players still believe in Nick

Nick and Jalen are both so flawed, but they found a way to win and win a lot. I wonder how long these two can last here in the end.

Hurts is flawed, just less flawed then almost every QB in the league right now.

Stafford played 16 years before this year. Any idea that he is better than Hurts is so incredibly laughable.

Sixty! Sixty! 60! 60 games with multiple turnovers! FLAWED!

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Eli Manning had the most games by a quarterback with 2+ turnovers, with 88 games.

His last throw of 2024 was just amazingly bad. Like all time pathetic bad.

Its at about 16 minutes of the Eagles-Rams playoff game highlights.

Puka is staring 5 yards out of bounds in a crowd of Eagles personnel where the ball went on 4th down thinking "What the hell was that?"

If they called a timeout after Carter ran him over on 3rd down and put Garoppolo in, maybe they would have had a chance at a 50/50 ball?

Let's apply the Hurts standard to that 3rd down annihilation.

LOOK, THE TE IS WIDE OPEN AND HE DOES NOT SEE HIM!!!!

HE HAS TO GET THE BALL OUT SOONER!!!

HE HAS TO AVOID THE RUSH!!!

HE COST THE RAMS THE GAME!!!

To better understand your collective psychosis I also suggest watching all 10 Brady Super Bowls and grading each throw on the Hurts scale.

Now Brady is flawed too. He's just less flawed than everyone who has ever played in the NFL.

Brady was only 1 game behind Stafford in multiple turnover games but he did play 100 more games so far.

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Felt like a very good game calling by KP today. Keep it up.

KP gets a one week reprieve. 🤓🤓

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Felt like a very good game calling by KP today. Keep it up.

3 hours ago, LacesOut said:

KP gets a one week reprieve. 🤓🤓

We did see new things, we also saw things most of us wanted to see, mainly Hurts running. But did these "new" plays work bc it was the Raiders?

19 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

We did see new things, we also saw things most of us wanted to see, mainly Hurts running. But did these "new" plays work bc it was the Raiders?

Partly, but also because we executed better than we had been. The raiders don't have the worst defense in the NFL. They're actually about average, but asked to play more because their offense is so bad. The weather today wasn't pleasant and It looked to me it was taking a little off Jalen's passes. But he was right in the target range that works best for us with 15 attempts in 3 quarters and we were not force feeding anybody the ball to quiet social media debates. We took what was there and limited the mistakes. It was nice that happened at home, although, I wish our crowd wouldn't get so quiet while the other team has the ball just because we have a 3 score lead after halftime.

6 hours ago, Portyansky said:

We did see new things, we also saw things most of us wanted to see, mainly Hurts running. But did these "new" plays work bc it was the Raiders?

Perhaps that’s why, but this team also beat a lot of other really good teams too and still has 9 wins.

Is there a circumstance where you are OK with Patullo returning. Learning what we have learned about the Offense since the beginning of the year. Or maybe a better way to phrase it would be what are the odds he will return?

1 hour ago, scottr@pictips.com said:

Is there a circumstance where you are OK with Patullo returning. Learning what we have learned about the Offense since the beginning of the year. Or maybe a better way to phrase it would be what are the odds he will return?

I think it’s a really good question. A lot will depend on how things go the next 3+ weeks right? If we start to look better on offense then naturally that helps him. If we go on a playoff run then he’s going to be coming back.

Me personally? No I wouldn’t want him to come back. The offense has been bad enough this year to suggest to me he’s not the right guy. I doubt he’d get another OC job if he were fired (this HC talk is a nonsense) and I think that says something.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think it’s a really good question. A lot will depend on how things go the next 3+ weeks right? If we start to look better on offense then naturally that helps him. If we go on a playoff run then he’s going to be coming back.

Me personally? No I wouldn’t want him to come back. The offense has been bad enough this year to suggest to me he’s not the right guy. I doubt he’d get another OC job if he were fired (this HC talk is a nonsense) and I think that says something.

Why do so many use this litmus test of "if X person would get another job". There's a lot of people who at early parts of their careers would struggle in various industries to land another job in majors if they're graded and fired for their initial periods. I don't even like Patullo, nor do I think he's all that good, but I don't think whether or not he'd land a job right after is a great way to talk about this. Bobby Slowik who did great things for CJ Shroud isn't an OC right now, and he was getting real HC consideration after his Shroud work.

8 hours ago, scottr@pictips.com said:

Is there a circumstance where you are OK with Patullo returning. Learning what we have learned about the Offense since the beginning of the year. Or maybe a better way to phrase it would be what are the odds he will return?

I’d rather see KP improve and stay, but if they make another deep playoff run he’s gone and if he doesn’t improve for the rest of the season he’s gone.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’d rather see KP improve and stay, but if they make another deep playoff run he’s gone and if he doesn’t improve for the rest of the season he’s gone.

As fans, I'll never understand why people would rather see heads roll than to see somebody improve with experience. I do believe there are reasonable time limits that should apply to different things. Take a player like Ringo --- this is his 3rd season and he's on a 4-year contract. He hasn't yet won and held on to a starting role on this team, but unless all the other CBs on our roster are better, I see no reason to give on him as a player while he's under contract.

I feel we kind of jumped the gun with Brian Johnson after 2023. Offensively, we were ranked 7th in points and 8th in yards that season --- the same rankings we ended up with in 2024. I am glad that it worked out for us last season, but I won't be surprised if Brian Johnson works his way up the coaching ranks over the next decade nor will I be surprised to see K. Moore in a lesser role at that same time.

It's hard to really draw the line where patience and expectations meet. I personally prefer to be a little more patient.

7 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Why do so many use this litmus test of "if X person would get another job". There's a lot of people who at early parts of their careers would struggle in various industries to land another job in majors if they're graded and fired for their initial periods. I don't even like Patullo, nor do I think he's all that good, but I don't think whether or not he'd land a job right after is a great way to talk about this. Bobby Slowik who did great things for CJ Shroud isn't an OC right now, and he was getting real HC consideration after his Shroud work.

I’m just saying I think it says something about the job he’s done? That it isn’t like he’s done a very good job and therefore I don’t think he’d be considered for another OC role.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

As fans, I'll never understand why people would rather see heads roll than to see somebody improve with experience. I do believe there are reasonable time limits that should apply to different things. Take a player like Ringo --- this is his 3rd season and he's on a 4-year contract. He hasn't yet won and held on to a starting role on this team, but unless all the other CBs on our roster are better, I see no reason to give on him as a player while he's under contract.

I feel we kind of jumped the gun with Brian Johnson after 2023. Offensively, we were ranked 7th in points and 8th in yards that season --- the same rankings we ended up with in 2024. I am glad that it worked out for us last season, but I won't be surprised if Brian Johnson works his way up the coaching ranks over the next decade nor will I be surprised to see K. Moore in a lesser role at that same time.

It's hard to really draw the line where patience and expectations meet. I personally prefer to be a little more patient.

This system is a business, but fans are simply fanatical. There will be some extreme viewpoints. We all debate in this forum, because this is our outlet to do so despite most likely we won’t agree with one another. Of course if all agreed all the time this place wouldn’t be much fun to come to. Many people (not just Eagles fans btw) lack patience to see players or coaches develop. I’ll add most of Eagles fans today are very spoiled. They don’t remember the low times so their expectations are higher. Fans are also more amped up because they have so many media outlets providing them information to the point now arrogance grows. We think we can GM better than the people in charge. I mean just look. At how fantasy football has blown up. Now everyone thinks they’re that guy. So when you see someone bash Ringo, because he hasn’t developed, there will be people who aren’t happy about it. As for myself I don’t have any particular allegiances to any particular player. If you play good I will give you the credit you deserve, but if you don’t I will be critical of you. Adoree Jackson is an example of that to me and so is Nakobe Dean. The bottom line is we all mostly want the same thing and that’s what’s best for our particular teams and that’s to win. From my perspective I’d rather see KP improve, but stay to give some play calling continuity for Jalen who never seems to get that for his development. I mean his OC and many times his QB coach is constantly changing. I’d just like to see some consistency there so we can see his true potential and before anyone claims he basically sucks, well he wins. He doesn’t have all of those raw talents everyone else has, but with his style of play they win. With Sirianni’s style of coaching they win.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

As fans, I'll never understand why people would rather see heads roll than to see somebody improve with experience. I do believe there are reasonable time limits that should apply to different things. Take a player like Ringo --- this is his 3rd season and he's on a 4-year contract. He hasn't yet won and held on to a starting role on this team, but unless all the other CBs on our roster are better, I see no reason to give on him as a player while he's under contract.

I feel we kind of jumped the gun with Brian Johnson after 2023. Offensively, we were ranked 7th in points and 8th in yards that season --- the same rankings we ended up with in 2024. I am glad that it worked out for us last season, but I won't be surprised if Brian Johnson works his way up the coaching ranks over the next decade nor will I be surprised to see K. Moore in a lesser role at that same time.

It's hard to really draw the line where patience and expectations meet. I personally prefer to be a little more patient.

For me it is much more that I would have preferred KP wasn't promoted to the position in the first place and that we hired someone who had previous success running an offense. Our defense was a trainwreck even though we had significant talent on that unit ... it finally started performing as you might expect when they brought in a seasoned defensive coach to run the unit. I feel the same with our offense ... tons of talent there but the current coordinator of that unit is incapable of getting the best out of them. He may eventually figure it out but man for a team that is as loaded as this one and in prime position to win another championship, that hire has the potential to put to waste a golden opportunity.

5 minutes ago, time2rock said:

For me it is much more that I would have preferred KP wasn't promoted to the position in the first place and that we hired someone who had previous success running an offense. Our defense was a trainwreck even though we had significant talent on that unit ... it finally started performing as you might expect when they brought in a seasoned defensive coach to run the unit. I feel the same with our offense ... tons of talent there but the current coordinator of that unit is incapable of getting the best out of them. He may eventually figure it out but man for a team that is as loaded as this one and in prime position to win another championship, that hire has the potential to put to waste a golden opportunity.

The same thing can happen with a seasoned, veteran coach. Every hire is a risk.

People often bring up "talent" talking about this offense. But is it really different than many of the other teams in regard to talent? There are a bunch of teams with plenty of offensive talent. This offense is tailored around Jalen Hurts' strengths and the things he is most comfortable with. It can be very successful when the players execute. I kind of feel like OCs are hamstrung a bit because there just isn't a lot they can do to add or change things up without keeping things tailored for Hurts. When the team is struggling to execute basic things, will they really do better when you add more elements?

It is my opinion, that the players should take more of the blame this season, based on what I have watched. I'd love for things to be more complex and really keep defenses on their heels, but I'm not convinced the players would execute better.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The same thing can happen with a seasoned, veteran coach. Every hire is a risk.

People often bring up "talent" talking about this offense. But is it really different than many of the other teams in regard to talent? There are a bunch of teams with plenty of offensive talent. This offense is tailored around Jalen Hurts' strengths and the things he is most comfortable with. It can be very successful when the players execute. I kind of feel like OCs are hamstrung a bit because there just isn't a lot they can do to add or change things up without keeping things tailored for Hurts. When the team is struggling to execute basic things, will they really do better when you add more elements?

It is my opinion, that the players should take more of the blame this season, based on what I have watched. I'd love for things to be more complex and really keep defenses on their heels, but I'm not convinced the players would execute better.

I definitely agree execution has been an issue as well. Dropped passes, running the wrong routes, penalties, etc. That is indeed on the players. But we are basically running the offense back with all of the same personnel minus RG and OC. Steen has actually graded out fairly well so I don’t think the majority of the blame should go to him. Obviously injuries to many of the starting OL is a huge factor. But I don’t think it is far fetched to think a seasoned OC would get more out of the unit, to design an offense better around the strengths of Hurts (and better mask his limitations) in much the same way Moore did.

On 12/16/2025 at 4:56 PM, time2rock said:

But I don’t think it is far fetched to think a seasoned OC would get more out of the unit, to design an offense better around the strengths of Hurts (and better mask his limitations) in much the same way Moore did.

I’m no Patullo fan. I didn’t like the hire at the time, I still don’t think it was a good hire now. He’s just not very good at play calling and the offensive scheme feels stale. But I do think fatigue has played a real factor. The offense looks tired, worn down and a little slower and that can’t help.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I’m no Patullo fan. I didn’t like the hire at the time, I still don’t think it was a good hire now. He’s just not very good at play calling and the offensive scheme feels stale. But I do think fatigue has played a real factor. The offense looks tired, worn down and a little slower and that can’t help.

How can they be tired? Their TOP has been down with so many 3-and-outs. lol

If anything I think they look dejected ... perhaps disgusted knowing they could be so much better if not for the pee wee league scheme.

I've changed my mind. I don't want him fired. A team can't keep changing OCs, year after year. There should be some consistency and continuity within the Coaching Staff.

What I would like to see is....growth, evolvement, changes, efficiency, adjustments, etc. I know it's a lot to ask.

7 hours ago, time2rock said:

How can they be tired? Their TOP has been down with so many 3-and-outs. lol

If anything I think they look dejected ... perhaps disgusted knowing they could be so much better if not for the pee wee league scheme.

Sorry bud I should have given more context. I mean in general this season. Like they look like a team worn down from a long 2024 season that ended in the ultimate prize.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Sorry bud I should have given more context. I mean in general this season. Like they look like a team worn down from a long 2024 season that ended in the ultimate prize.

Ahhh that makes sense.