On 11/25/2025 at 4:31 PM, EaglesAddict said:

I hear you, but you can't just discount the fact that the Sirianni/Hurts combo has made 2 of the last 3 Super Bowls and won 1. That said, there is some credence to the thought of that, as oddly as it sounds when considering their recent success.

I wouldn't give up on this year though, that would be ridiculous. Besides the Rams, the Eagles can compete with any team in the NFC.

We can make the point they did but it could be the result to have a great OC. We could make the point too in 2023 the OC was bad Eagles were a mess. In 2025 if there is the same collapse The OC is bad too. It is possible Sirianni got too much crédit for 2022 and 2024. Moore Fangio and the OC in 2022 are possibly the more responsable of this success. This end of season will tell us.

On 11/26/2025 at 2:10 AM, Swimm said:

You can't fix it. They are unable to fix it. The team is cooked. Its a repeat of 2023. It was a slow moving train wreck the coaching staff couldn't fix and we all know they would lose to the giants and then the bucs in the playoffs.

I also don't think the defense is good enough to carry the offense. Half the secondary is incompetent and a liability even without injuries

The only way to fix it is in the offseason and it starts with people being fired. Either way both Hurts, and Siri can't be on this team next year. One of them has to go. We have seen the same reoccurring issues over the last 3 years and they are the 2 constants on this team.

On that Tampa game thread I said, this bipolar high school offense will eventually catch the team out, and it sure has.

Doesn't take a genius to know what is going on here, Siritullo can't do jack shi*; cant game plan, cant coach, cant call plays. Jalen Hurts supposedly doesn't like throwing across the middle, so Siritullo just go; ok then we will just focus on the outside routes and deep passes. The QB is getting paid 40 mill/year, if he has a deficiency in throwing across the middle you coach him to fix his issues, you don't pamper him with what he wants and kill a huge chunk of the playbook because the QB doesn't feel comfortable. Goedert was open so many times in the Bears game but he only had 2 catches, pretty much sums it up...

Devonte's look after the Tampa game said it all, he looked pissed off as hell, it was like the team had the worst loss ever... Wasn't it the Tampa game were he said 'just throw the damn ball'

Defense was gassed with the constant 3 and outs, they were on the field for 40 minutes against the Bears, when the defense created a turnover for an easy score, offense returned the favor by laying an EGG. Defense probably just thinking f**** this Shi*** if you are not gonna do your thing, neither are WE.............

This team may crawl it's way into the playoffs and get an as* whooping of their lives, so fricken disappointing such a good team has been put to waste by Beavis and Butt head Siritullo......

On 11/25/2025 at 10:31 AM, EaglesAddict said:

I hear you, but you can't just discount the fact that the Sirianni/Hurts combo has made 2 of the last 3 Super Bowls and won 1. That said, there is some credence to the thought of that, as oddly as it sounds when considering their recent success.

I wouldn't give up on this year though, that would be ridiculous. Besides the Rams, the Eagles can compete with any team in the NFC.

We were able to compete with those other top NFC teams earlier in the season ... but this team has been on a downward trajectory over the past month (mostly lead by an ever-increasing inept offense). Comments like that make me think some people don't remember being in pretty much this exact same situation 2 years ago when we were able to compete with teams and just managed to squeak by them but hey a win was a win no matter how ugly it came ... until the wheels fell off and then we were getting smoked by teams like the Giants. I don't think it is a case with anyone "giving up" ... always hope things can turn around and we get back on track and look like the team we expected them to look like. BUT this is more just a case of taking a step back and having a realistic view of how this team has looked the last several weeks and where it looks like it is heading. Asking yourself, do I really have much confidence they can turn this thing around? 100% hopeful ... 1% confident.

There are no "quick fixes" to salvage this season. The best thing (for your own sanity) is to just not give AF for the rest of this ish-show season ... rest on knowing we won it all last year and give them a free pass for this year. We can turn things around quickly in 2026 IF we fire Patullo immediately after the season ends and hire a proven OC with plenty of play-calling experience and a knack for being creative with play design and strategy AND get the OL fully healthy. It would also make a ton of sense to invest quite a bit of resources into adding to that OL group.

Sirianni absolutely needs a strong offensive mind because he really is not capable of contributing much there ... it is obvious he has no answers to get these issues corrected. And he should not be allowed to make the final decision on who that next OC is ... that extended leash he had to start the season that he earned from taking the team to 2 Super Bowls (and winning 1) should have gotten much shorter this season.

Hurts is a great QB and I acknowledge the O line has been sucky lately but if we lose another game I'd bench Hurts and put McKee in for one game (at least) to see if that helps get our receivers on track. And even though Hurts is a SB winner, I'd consider trading him if McKee is a better fit for the team. It would free up some cap for better players in other positions. All those players we traded off now kicking ass for other teams have to make you wonder where we'd be with them still on the roster.

Adoree Jackson must go. Replace him in the off-season with a tall DB who can complete a tackle and slap balls down, not bounce off RBs or tag WRs only after they've completed their catches.

The O line needs a major overhaul. Time to find replacements for the injury prone players, even if just to start grooming them. We kept Jason Peters around a year or two too long, let's not make the same mistake. The weak links put more burden on the better linemen and affect the run game undermining the whole offense. And constantly going 3 and out of course wears out the D. The weak O line is the main problem with the team right now.

I'm on the fence about Patulla but leaning towards giving him the boot. Handing the ball to Saquon over and over in the back field when the opposing D is clearly shutting him down every single time, hoping for a different result, is not very creative. When he finally breaks through on his tenth run it doesn't make up for the 9 times he was stuffed. And what good is throwing short passes to the scrimmage line over and over again, if every single time the WR is immediately tackled there? Might as well have the QB just throw it out of bounds. Less risk to the receiver's health or an INT. These plays might work late in the game when the D is tired or just don't care because their team is so far ahead, but they won't keep us in the game.

Scoff if u want but this team needs an enema.

On 11/25/2025 at 6:45 AM, EaglesAddict said:

We are basically at Defcon 3 status, and moving towards Defcon 2 on the season. We all should be able to see it. This team is going nowhere unless the offense starts playing better...and playing consistently better. This is not an overreaction post based on the Dallas loss. Just a matter-of-fact, rational observation of what I'm seeing in this team every week.

I do still believe this team can at least compete with any team in the NFC besides the Rams (we'd get smoked if we played the Rams right now). That said, every game for the rest of the year could still be a struggle.

What moves should we make to try and salvage things before it's too late?

Here's where I'd start....

Offense:
Bench Jurgens and start Toth for at least the next few games. Jurgens just isn't healthy and it shows.

Give Tank Bigsby at least around 10 touches per game. He just looks better than Barkley right now and his running style is better for what we need at this time.

Elevate Cameron Latu to TE2 over Calcaterra for blocking purposes.

Activate Willie Lampkin and lets see what he can do as far as the "heavy OL" set. The guy is supposedly pretty good and athletic, just small by NFL OL standards. He could add a little something in run blocking out of that heavy set.

Stop with the conservative mindset and let Hurts rip it. Bring back more RPO's, get Hurts running a little bit more. Be aggressive.

Everyone has been saying the same stuff for weeks. If the coaching staff were willing to do any of this they would have done it long ago. I think they are just going to keep rolling out the same crap and wiling to die on that hill for some reason. I dunno it just seems insane to me to keep doing the same thing but to expect different results.

On 11/29/2025 at 2:46 PM, DeathByEagle said:

Not sure how accurate this is but Oline Pass Protection does not seam to be a problem if its even close to accurate. The eye test it seams like he has a nice pocket on most plays. Ive actually seen Hurts many time roll out of a clean pocket for no reason.

Now running lanes are a different story, but I still believe teams are scheming to stop Barkey as a first priority. Most say you run to get the pass game going, with this team and the defensive strategy against us it is the complete oppt. So until Hurts and this passing game get rolling, the run game will cont. to struggle.

It's the running game. There just aren't any holes and defenders are in the backfield before Barkley gets the ball.

27 minutes ago, Gannan said:

It's the running game. There just aren't any holes and defenders are in the backfield before Barkley gets the ball.

And losing Van Sumeren and Sirirani insisting on Calcaterra blocking doesn't help. It's like they want to lose.

23 hours ago, time2rock said:

We were able to compete with those other top NFC teams earlier in the season ... but this team has been on a downward trajectory over the past month (mostly due to an ever-increasing inept offense). Comments like that make me think some people don't remember being in pretty much this exact same situation 2 years ago when we were able to compete with teams and just managed to squeak by them but hey a win was a win no matter how ugly it came ... until the wheels fell off and then we were getting smoked by teams like the Giants. I’d bet if we played some of those teams now that we beat earlier we wouldn’t end up with Ws.

And I don't think it is a case with anyone "giving up" ... always hope things can turn around and we get back on track and look like the team we expected them to look like BUT this is more just taking a step back and having a realistic view of how this team has looked the last several weeks and where it looks like it is heading. Asking yourself, do I really have much confidence they can turn this thing around? 100% hopeful ... 1% confident.

Yeah after watching the Bears game they look like they will struggle against any team. I'm with you on the confidence level. It's crazy though...every week I keep thinking that they will start "righting the ship" because this offense has too much talent to look this bad. Yet, each week we keep rolling out the same crap product with no apparent effort to change things in any way...and it's absolutely mind boggling. Every week, Sirianni and Patullo (and Hurts) are all like:

5 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

Yeah after watching the Bears game they look like they will struggle against any team. I'm with you on the confidence level. It's crazy though...every week I keep thinking that they will start "righting the ship" because this offense has too much talent to look this bad.

Honestly I remember 2023 when every week I was waiting for the response. Waiting for players run harder, for the defense to get mean, for the OL to drive players in to the ground. Every week once we started to collapse I thought they’d correct it and they never did! And so this year I have zero hope and expectation that they are going to right the ship. They look a broken team.

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Honestly I remember 2023 when every week I was waiting for the response. Waiting for players run harder, for the defense to get mean, for the OL to drive players in to the ground. Every week once we started to collapse I thought they’d correct it and they never did! And so this year I have zero hope and expectation that they are going to right the ship. They look a broken team.

But the more confounding thing is that yeah...this just happened 2 years ago so how are they allowing it to happen again? On offense, we have 8 of 11 starters who were on that 2023 team including the QB...who is the captain of the team on the field, and Sirianni who is the captain of the ship...and Patullo was here too. How are all these guys allowing the same thing happen again???!!!

27 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

Yeah after watching the Bears game they look like they will struggle against any team. I'm with you on the confidence level. It's crazy though...every week I keep thinking that they will start "righting the ship" because this offense has too much talent to look this bad. Yet, each week we keep rolling out the same crap product with no apparent effort to change things in any way...and it's absolutely mind boggling. Every week, Sirianni and Patullo (and Hurts) are all like:

They aren't just rolling out the "same" crap product ... the product is getting crappier by the week. It is a combination of many things. Patullo obviously does not know how to design an offense around what Hurts does best. Hurts has not been playing like the Super Bowl MVP for a number of reasons (the offense isn't catered to his strengths, he isn't running as much which makes the offense much easier to defend against, he's not seeing the field well, etc). And we are losing the battle at the LOS (on both sides of the ball).

10 minutes ago, time2rock said:

They aren't just rolling out the "same" crap product ... the product is getting crappier by the week. It is a combination of many things. Patullo obviously does not know how to design an offense around what Hurts does best. Hurts has not been playing like the Super Bowl MVP for a number of reasons (the offense isn't catering to his strengths, he isn't running as much which makes the offense much easier to defend against, etc). And we are losing the battle at the LOS (on both sides of the ball).

Did you see the report that Hurts didn't want as many designed runs this year? If that's true, while I understand not wanting to risk injury, etc, it is taking away a huge staple of his game and a huge staple of how this offense has any success. He's just not good enough as a pure passer (which includes going through progressions fast enough).

The OL is banged up, but ultimately if they're on the field they need to produce.

The DL getting pushed around is concerning when you have supposedly good interior DTs like Carter and Davis. If the defense starts getting the ball ran down their throats every week, you will really have to question if they've just given up. In 2023, the defense was a complete mess. Will be interesting to see if Fangio can keep them focused and playing well despite having to watch the disheartening offense.

1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said:

But the more confounding thing is that yeah...this just happened 2 years ago so how are they allowing it to happen again? On offense, we have 8 of 11 starters who were on that 2023 team including the QB...who is the captain of the team on the field, and Sirianni who is the captain of the ship...and Patullo was here too. How are all these guys allowing the same thing happen again???!!!

I just don’t think they have the answers. Patullo isn’t a good play caller and overall the offensive scheme is woeful. And then they don’t have the talent on the field to win their 1v1 battles on a consistent basis. So all in all it just becomes this absolute mess that we are seeing. But it’s why at times it looks okay because players win their 1v1 or Hurts makes a correct read.

Execution and consistency. It is difficult when both the offense and defense are missing starters. But the Eagles are still a good football team right now. There were flashes when they went up 21-0 to start against the Cowboys. Even the offense had a 2-minute, 90-yard drive against the Bears. They hit several chunk plays in a row, Hurts throwing intermediate routes to open receivers. Then they never went back to it. Why? Instead they went back to Barkley when it wasn't working. The offensive plan is boring and predictable: Try to establish the run which opens up the secondary... But if the run isn't working because teams are stacking against it, they need to try something else. They have to prepare better, gameplan/play better, and keep the intensity up for 60 minutes.

I made the mistake of turning on the radio this morning. I heard the guy the hosts with Hugh Douglas talking about how the offense would potentially due with Mckee as the helm. I did bring up this point while watching the last game in the context of Wentz and Foles. When Wentz was hurt or came Foles the offense had and flow and rhythm that was missing the Wentz was in.

IMO, the fix is to forget about stats entirely and to avoid placating players instead of taking what's available. All we read is, "How does this get fixed?" That's all we ask the players and coaches. Then they get out there and try to force some fix and that's only exasperating the issues.

Do whatever it takes to win games without getting sidetracked with "pretty." Any player that's not on board with winning over personal production can restructure his contract after the season to facilitate a trade.

On 11/26/2025 at 2:52 PM, Talonblood said:

It can't be fixed with Patullo here. Period. Do the same things over and over and expect different results? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
In the draft- rebuild the o_line. By the way, the QB coach, the TE or ANY offense coach could probably run the offense better that Patullo.

KP has been at Sirianni’s side his whole time here. This isn’t KP’s offense. This is Nick’s offense, and frankly it doesn’t make any difference who will call these plays.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

KP has been at Sirianni’s side his whole time here. This isn’t KP’s offense. This is Nick’s offense, and frankly it doesn’t make any difference who will call these plays.

I agree it doesn’t… But Sirianni not making a change just further reinforces that. Sirianni knows he can’t make a change because 1) KP was his hire and so it’ll reflect badly on him and 2) it won’t change anything and that’ll further expose himself.

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

KP has been at Sirianni’s side his whole time here. This isn’t KP’s offense. This is Nick’s offense, and frankly it doesn’t make any difference who will call these plays.

Yeah, I am so frustrated. Even little children were screaming "Don't hire an OC from within again!! Do NOT hire Patullo!" EVERYONE but Siri knew NOT to hire this guy. And here we are, with an entire season going down the tubes with a carbon copy of THE COLLAPSE 2.0. We really can't do anything about it now- it's too late into the season. So Siri WASTED a potential Super Bowl year by repeating his same worse mistake he made in 2023. FIRE him AND Patullo at seasons end. They seriously deserve it.

1 hour ago, Talonblood said:

Yeah, I am so frustrated. Even little children were screaming "Don't hire an OC from within again!! Do NOT hire Patullo!" EVERYONE but Siri knew NOT to hire this guy. And here we are, with an entire season going down the tubes with a carbon copy of THE COLLAPSE 2.0. We really can't do anything about it now- it's too late into the season. So Siri WASTED a potential Super Bowl year by repeating his same worse mistake he made in 2023. FIRE him AND Patullo at seasons end. They seriously deserve it.

Yeah I think the unanimous decision was that it was not the move. That hiring from within hasn’t worked for this team before and so the feeling was it wouldn’t this time. And that may be flawed but it’s proving to be correct again.

2 hours ago, Talonblood said:

Yeah, I am so frustrated. Even little children were screaming "Don't hire an OC from within again!! Do NOT hire Patullo!" EVERYONE but Siri knew NOT to hire this guy. And here we are, with an entire season going down the tubes with a carbon copy of THE COLLAPSE 2.0. We really can't do anything about it now- it's too late into the season. So Siri WASTED a potential Super Bowl year by repeating his same worse mistake he made in 2023. FIRE him AND Patullo at seasons end. They seriously deserve it.

Doug made the same mistake, but the following season was even worse when they decided to go with that coordinator by committee crap. I really hope they bring in someone like Fangio, but for the offense. Find someone who can maximize the talent on this roster.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I think the unanimous decision was that it was not the move. That hiring from within hasn’t worked for this team before and so the feeling was it wouldn’t this time. And that may be flawed but it’s proving to be correct again.

Perhaps part of the problem is how deep they went into the playoffs. By that point most of the teams that had needs took people away and it seemed too late in the process they were losing Moore. Not a lot of options at the time so they went in house.

I think the only fix for this team would be finding the fountain of youth for the offensive line and getting them all fully healthy. We've seen what Jalen looks like with a great running game, he's an MVP caliber QB that's lead us to two SBs, but we've also seen him without a running game churning out huge gains with regularity and forcing opposing defenses to commit to stopping it, and, let's face it, he's mediocre to below average.

I have to think there's something to the reporting that Hurts asked for less designed carries this year. Say what you want about Patullo, but he's been here a while and has been part of the offense's great success in the past. He knows what worked. He'd be going to the QB run well more often if there wasn't something preventing that. So I don't really think a different play caller would move the needle much.

All that said, we're not completely dead-in-the-water. I mean, we have recent wins over the Lions and Packers even with our offense playing horrendous football. I don't think the defense can carry us to a title, but we could still eke out a few wins and challenge teams in the playoffs. And if somehow we can turn it around offensively over the next month, we're SB contenders. I'm not rushing to Vegas to place a huge wager on it or anything, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Saw a few in here mention Pederson and it made me think that wow, when he was initially hired in 2016 he brought Frank Reich in with him as his OC and then won the SB the next year. Reich was hired away, Pederson flexed his muscle and promoted from within and promptly went to crap. Same exact thing happened with Sirianni....Steichen as his original OC, went to the SB, lost Steichen, crapped the bed the next year. Only difference is Sirianni accepted his ultimatum about bringing in an experienced OC (Moore) and that allowed him to win a SB. But, lost him, now crapping the bed again.

Both Pederson's and Sirianni's internal promotions have completely defecated the bed.