This offense REVOLVES around a powerful offensive line because they like to run the ball.......and they've been so banged up that they simply are not playing up to capabilities.

When the eagles can't run effectively, they can't win the ToP battle, they can't win the field position battle and they get into too many 3rd down situations, which puts most of the pressure on Hurts. I love Hurts but I've always said he still has 2 MAJOR issues. He goes thru his progressions too slow and is slow with his decision making. He's been like that since he came into the league and he hasn't improved much. He almost NEVER gets to his 3rd read which is reflected by the paltry production of his 3rd receivers over the years.

Combine a struggling offensive line, a slow read QB and a overmatched OC and you get an offense scoring 19 points a game.

They won't fix much as they are not willing or capable of adapting or adjusting.

I think they should try almost anything........

-make changes on the O-line....sit them if they're playing injured which Jurgens and Dickerson seem to be doing. The run game can't get much worse.

-split time between Bigsby and Barkley to see if they can get defenses to stop focusing on Barkley.

-Play small ball.....get first downs......quick outs, slants, throw to the backs more,

-Get Hurts moving........roll outs, bootlegs......anything to keep the defense guessing.

-No huddle offense.......move quick after the whistle, quick snaps, no defensive subs......create confusion......

Like Nick Foles said, get some of the offensive coaches into the booth, especially Patullo.

I have no idea if any of this produces results.....but the offense slogs along into and out of the huddle without any urgency. Maybe this lights a fire under their arse......

The time to throw numbers are skewed.

Mahomes and lots of others can turn sideways and throw screens that go for 8 to 25 yards.

I think its about 65% of Sheduer's passing numbers so far, screens to the RB.

Those are about 1 second passes if even that long.

The Siri offense can never set up a screen properly.

• They don't know what motion is for.

• They don't know how to stress the other side of the field.

• They don't know how to get blocking in place for the pass catcher.

• They almost never fool or distract the defense

Let me know if Minshew, Pickett, and McKee were throwing 6 to 8 excellent screens a game or if its coaching.

The whole season depends on the run game. If we can’t run, we can’t win.

It was the same as last year. We started out 2-2 when the offense revolved around Hurts. Once Moore realized the offense should revolve around Barkley and not Hurts, we became unstoppable.

One way to get the run game going would be more RPO and more no huddle. Hurts needs to run more to keep the defense honest. Bigsby has been very effective and needs more carries.

Patullo is not creative at all and is way in over his head. He has no idea how to fix this and the Oline is banged up so it will be difficult to repeat the success from last year. Hurts has some serious limitations and doesn’t see the field and is afraid to throw the ball in the middle of the field. I’d love to see what McKee can do but how do you bench the Super Bowl MVP.

16 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

Saw a few in here mention Pederson and it made me think that wow, when he was initially hired in 2016 he brought Frank Reich in with him as his OC and then won the SB the next year. Reich was hired away, Pederson flexed his muscle and promoted from within and promptly went to crap. Same exact thing happened with Sirianni....Steichen as his original OC, went to the SB, lost Steichen, crapped the bed the next year. Only difference is Sirianni accepted his ultimatum about bringing in an experienced OC (Moore) and that allowed him to win a SB. But, lost him, now crapping the bed again.

Both Pederson's and Sirianni's internal promotions have completely defecated the bed.

Yes I've frequently mentioned those similarities. And you can add neither Pederson nor Sirianni are offensive masterminds ... both need a strong, creative offensive mind in order to be successful. That's why I keep scratching my head whenever people mention bringing back Pederson as OC.

17 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Perhaps part of the problem is how deep they went into the playoffs. By that point most of the teams that had needs took people away and it seemed too late in the process they were losing Moore. Not a lot of options at the time so they went in house.

Could have been. I also think they wanted to give their SB winning HC the decision to make his own appointment. They did it with Doug so they had set a precedence. But it never seems to work out and I’d have hoped they would have learned.

41 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Yes I've frequently mentioned those similarities. And you can add neither Pederson nor Sirianni are offensive masterminds ... both need a strong, creative offensive mind in order to be successful. That's why I keep scratching my head whenever people mention bringing back Pederson as OC.

Yeah, no desire to bring in Pederson.

I guess one thing that we all know about but don't talk about as much is the "super bowl hangover" effect. It seems to be a real thing and only a handful of teams have ever overcome it. What it is, I'm not exactly sure. Could be various things...maybe player complacency could be the biggest culprit. Maybe the SB is like bustin your nut and needing a longer refractory period until the next one.

1 minute ago, EaglesAddict said:

Yeah, no desire to bring in Pederson.

I guess one thing that we all know about but don't talk about as much is the "super bowl hangover" effect. It seems to be a real thing and only a handful of teams have ever overcome it. What it is, I'm not exactly sure. Could be various things...maybe player complacency could be the biggest culprit. Maybe the SB is like bustin your nut and needing a longer refractory period until the next one.

That is one of the funnier analogies I have seen here!

I always thought the SB hangover was in reference to the team that lost ... I've never really seen it used when talking about the winning team (only in Philly!). But maybe our situation is due to coaching. If there are players getting complacent or smelling themselves, then that is on Sirianni for making sure that doesn't happen. But our situation could just go back to what we were talking about earlier regarding Pederson and Sirianni where neither are offensive masterminds so when you lose the guy that is that (Reich, Steichen, Moore) and make the wrong hire (Groh, Johnson, Patullo) the team sputters entirely too much. Sirianni now has 2 strikes against him ... either he should not be allowed a 3rd or it should be made crystal clear to him if he makes the wrong decision again with hiring the next one (i.e. hiring someone with zero experience coordinating an offense at this level) then he is GONE.

20 minutes ago, time2rock said:

That is one of the funnier analogies I have seen here!

I always thought the SB hangover was in reference to the team that lost ... I've never really seen it used when talking about the winning team (only in Philly!). But maybe our situation is due to coaching. If there are players getting complacent or smelling themselves, then that is on Sirianni for making sure that doesn't happen. But our situation could just go back to what we were talking about earlier regarding Pederson and Sirianni where neither are offensive masterminds so when you lose the guy that is that (Reich, Steichen, Moore) and make the wrong hire (Groh, Johnson, Patullo) the team sputters entirely too much. Sirianni now has 2 strikes against him ... either he should not be allowed a 3rd or it should be made crystal clear to him if he makes the wrong decision again with hiring the next one (i.e. hiring someone with zero experience coordinating an offense at this level) then he is GONE.

Yeah there seems to definitely be a correlation to losing good OC's and promoting from within an inexperienced/bad one. Can also look at teams like the Lions and Bucs who lost coordinators and promoted from within....though both those teams have suffered more injuries than the Eagles (which impacts things).

I agree that the largest piece of this offensive crappy pie belongs to the coaches (Siritullo). But we have to put some onus on the players themselves...are they as "hungry"? Is Hurts in some kind of mental funk that could be attributed to coming off SB MVP status? Same for Saquon. It's the same players on offense working with the same HC and an OC they are at least familiar with. You'd think that if KP was struggling, the players would step up and help him out.

I dunno...this season is just frustrating. There's a prime opportunity for a repeat that they're squandering. If this ends up as Collapse 2.0, it'll be one interesting offseason.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Could have been. I also think they wanted to give their SB winning HC the decision to make his own appointment. They did it with Doug so they had set a precedence. But it never seems to work out and I’d have hoped they would have learned.

This is the downside unfortunately when you pick your own guy.

The OC is one main problem. Siri, perhaps also the FO, does not want to make a change mid-season. They just will play the rest of season out and decide what to do. A new OC is almost certain. Perhaps Siri too. He managed to survive the fall couple of seasons ago. Will he be given some slack as a SB winning HC?

The OL has under-performed. Injuries are one problem. Lack of ready to step in Back-up is another. The magic of Stoutland has been lacking when it is most needed. Don't think the coaches will play the back-up before there is nothing to play for. Perhaps insert selected ones now will jump start the process of restocking the OL.

Barkeley is still a weapon. He was targeted by the defense and could not run like he did last season. Use the other RBs more may change the situation and help the run game. Dillons has been sitting for many games. Play him and the other 2 RBs can't hurt.

Hurts has his limitations. He is unlikely to have a drastic change at this state of his career. The team is stuck with him, unfortunately. Watching the Bills over the weekend and seasons past, can you image what this offense will look like IF Josh Allen is running our offense! The chance of that to happen is nil, we know that, but one can always dream!

On 12/4/2025 at 6:25 AM, EaglesAddict said:

. Only difference is Sirianni accepted his ultimatum about bringing in an experienced OC (Moore) and that allowed him to win a SB. But, lost him, now crapping the bed again.

Eagles weren't running Kellen Moore's offense last season, they tried bits n pieces of Moore's offense on rare occasions but Hurts struggled. They were running Sirianni's offense last year, only that the talent level on the team was so elite that it masked a high school offense run by a QB with a lot of limitations...

Shane Steichen was the coach Eagles missed out on, he was the real deal. Oh well hind sight is always 20/20..

2 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Eagles weren't running Kellen Moore's offense last season, they tried bits n pieces of Moore's offense on rare occasions but Hurts struggled. They were running Sirianni's offense last year, only that the talent level on the team was so elite that it masked a high school offense run by a QB with a lot of limitations...

Shane Steichen was the coach Eagles missed out on, he was the real deal. Oh well hind sight is always 20/20..

Can't argue with that. I have no idea how much of last year's offense was Moore's designs.

3 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Eagles weren't running Kellen Moore's offense last season, they tried bits n pieces of Moore's offense on rare occasions but Hurts struggled. They were running Sirianni's offense last year, only that the talent level on the team was so elite that it masked a high school offense run by a QB with a lot of limitations...

They returned all players on offense expect Becton, so the talent level is the same. Obviously injuries play a part (they aren't winning at the LOS due to injuries to multiple OL). But there is more to what is going on than just the limitations of the QB. Every QB has limitations ... it is up to the offensive brain trust to properly scheme to take advantage of their strengths and minimize the chances of those limitations being exposed.

8 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Shane Steichen was the coach Eagles missed out on, he was the real deal. Oh well hind sight is always 20/20..

Agree. BUT, what would you have done with him? Make him the HC? Make him the forever OC? At some point, these Coaches want to move on and forge their own path in the NFL. So, IMO, there's no way Steichen would have stayed here. Unless he became the HC.

6 hours ago, LacesOut said:

Agree. BUT, what would you have done with him? Make him the HC? Make him the forever OC? At some point, these Coaches want to move on and forge their own path in the NFL. So, IMO, there's no way Steichen would have stayed here. Unless he became the HC.

Yeap, Steichen was the head coach Eagles missed out on due to circumstances...

11 hours ago, time2rock said:

They returned all players on offense expect Becton, so the talent level is the same. Obviously injuries play a part (they aren't winning at the LOS due to injuries to multiple OL). But there is more to what is going on than just the limitations of the QB. Every QB has limitations ... it is up to the offensive brain trust to properly scheme to take advantage of their strengths and minimize the chances of those limitations being exposed.

Losing Becton, Sweat, Rodgers, CJ Gardner, Milton Williams had a huge impact. I agree, the health of the team is a big blow, but not sure even if this team was healthy; that would've covered up for the QB's limitations this year..

Yes it is up to the coaches to rectify the offense's issues, but the problem has always been that the coaches have more limitations than the QB. This ship was destined to sink this year...

First with the coaching staff. KP must be the first to go. That's an obvious choice here. Not sure it would be enough tho. Changing OC every year is a challenge too to find great OC every year. The problem here is to have a coach who is not an offensive genius or a defensive genius. I see a scenario where Sirianni refuses to fire KP and force Lurie to fire him. Not optimist about this but this would be the best case. If it happens then Eagles must hire an offensive guru as hc who can call the play.

Then with the team rebuild the Oline. Time to find LJ replacement and improve Oline depth.

Improving the wr corp. Eagles still need a 3rd wr who can help Devonte and AJ. Dotson is not that guy.

In defense improving the dline. Not sure if Eagles really need to extend Jordan Davis. He looks too invisible most of the time.

Then improving the safety and cb position. This one is a no brainer.

What they need to do to fix this team? Get to the offseason and hit reset on a lot of elements. Get a new OC in (possibly a new HC who can give us some consistency on offense). Bring in fresh faces to give both sides of the ball a boost and just spend an offseason getting rested and getting healthy.

2 hours ago, chris9210 said:

First with the coaching staff. KP must be the first to go. That's an obvious choice here. Not sure it would be enough tho. Changing OC every year is a challenge too to find great OC every year. The problem here is to have a coach who is not an offensive genius or a defensive genius. I see a scenario where Sirianni refuses to fire KP and force Lurie to fire him. Not optimist about this but this would be the best case. If it happens then Eagles must hire an offensive guru as hc who can call the play.

Then with the team rebuild the Oline. Time to find LJ replacement and improve Oline depth.

Improving the wr corp. Eagles still need a 3rd wr who can help Devonte and AJ. Dotson is not that guy.

In defense improving the dline. Not sure if Eagles really need to extend Jordan Davis. He looks too invisible most of the time.

Then improving the safety and cb position. This one is a no brainer.

Doesn’t matter who the 3rd WR is. Hurts isn’t using him.

I think Dotson is fine tbh

22 hours ago, rrfierce said:

Doesn’t matter who the 3rd WR is. Hurts isn’t using him.

I think Dotson is fine tbh

I think actually Dotson is pretty good. For how little opportunities he gets he always makes a big play.

Wasn’t sure exactly where to add this (didn’t think it warranted a separate thread).

How confident are you that this makes a difference??

Me … zero.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Wasn’t sure exactly where to add this (didn’t think it warranted a separate thread).

How confident are you that this makes a difference??

Me … zero.

just when we thought it couldn't get any worse

On 12/6/2025 at 6:03 AM, rrfierce said:

Doesn’t matter who the 3rd WR is. Hurts isn’t using him.

I think Dotson is fine tbh

CB3 in this offense is to block. Dotson or anyone else would not get many looks by design. Hurts won't be looking for CB3 regardless.

The interior line needs to get healthy, imo. In my opinion, that means:

• Resting Jurgens until he is truly 100% and back to form. Never over the past 3-4 years have the Eagles had difficulty executing the QB sneak push - this season, the only time they were consistent with it was when Toth was starting over Jurgens. That should be a huge red flag and despite the fact that Jurgens wants to play through it - it's for his sake and the team's sake they rest him until he's truly 100%.

• Almost the same thing could be said about Dickerson. Everyone knows Dickerson is a warrior and plays through pain until he really can't go anymore. But I'd rather have a 100% healthy Dickerson come playoff time vs a guy who is in pain and struggling to stay on the field. Rest the guy until he is 100%, please.

• If there is any chance of getting Becton back, they do it, without question.

• Design and call plays that require less push from the O-Line during running plays - meaning more outside RB tosses, more outside runs etc - the worst thing they can do (and have been doing) is continuously calling runs up the middle. Makes absolutely no sense when the interior offensive line is deteriorated.

• Start using TE in space outside, or the RB running outside screens, in space, for check downs vs RB or TE up the middle during blitzes, pressures, etc (Think of what they used to to with Ertz) - also could go to quick/short curl routes for the WR's in those situations, with certain audible calls, etc - the idea is to take less pressure off the interior line and allow for more open space to make plays when the interior line doesn't get push/collapses, etc The last thing they should be doing is audibling into interior runs when they see blitz packages - and that goes for QB sneaks as well.

• Spread out the field early and often. Throw 30+ yard go routes on early downs. Even if they are unsuccessful, it forces the defense to be honest - less likely to stack the box and pressure the interior line, etc

• Design and call plays for Hurts to roll out of the pocket - this is literally the reason the Chiefs have been so successful over the past 6-7 years despite weak offensive lines at times. Should be a no-brainer, given that Hurts is more mobile and harder to bring down than Mahomes.

  My 2 cents.

Stop it with the Go Routes. Run an actual NFL pass pattern route tree.

Corner patterns, post patterns, post corner routes, TE pop passes, TE screens, straight down and a square in pattern, straight down and a square out pattern.

Get the Defense moving in all directions. North, South, East and West. Make the back 7 of a Defense have to constantly swivel their hips and not know when or where the ball is. Make them say "WTF play could be coming next??!!" 🏈

I know the NFL is not a video game, but good Offenses can do the above.