21 hours ago, brkmsn said:

There were 13 carries by Barkley in the last game and 4 by Hurts. That is all.

Jahan Dotson is averaging 18.7 yards per reception (0 drops) and nobody is suggesting he take any of Brown's or Smith's share of the passes. But with Bigsby's small sample, the opposite is true. Do people really think Bigsby is going to worry defenses to the point where they gameplan specifically to stop him? I think the proof is in the pudding. His limited success in our offense is a direct result of teams not worrying about him "hurting" them with big plays when he's on the field.

Curious to know why you seem against Bigsby more touches when you were a huge advocate for giving Gainwell so many touches in the past. I don’t think anyone is stating that Bigsby should take over for Barkley just he should get more than one carry in a game. The fact teams aren’t keying on him seems like more of a reason to use him and not less. Also I don’t think anyone would mind Dotson getting more touches especially if it leads to victories. The offense as a whole seems broken. They need to do whatever needs to be done to improve this offense.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Curious to know why you seem against Bigsby more touches when you were a huge advocate for giving Gainwell so many touches in the past. I don’t think anyone is stating that Bigsby should take over for Barkley just he should get more than one carry in a game. The fact teams aren’t keying on him seems like more of a reason to use him and not less. Also I don’t think anyone would mind Dotson getting more touches especially if it leads to victories. The offense as a whole seems broken. They need to do whatever needs to be done to improve this offense.

Your memory is not serving you. You won't find any posts where I advocated for Gainwell to get more touches --- especially not last season after Barkley arrived. I did defend Gainwell as a player because there was a lot of people that just didn't like him and stated things about him I disagreed with.

Gainwell was a better blocker and has more reliable hands as a receiver than Barkley and those are a couple things our RBs are struggling with this season. Nevertheless, defenses legitimately gameplan to stop Barkley. You're asking why defenses potentially not keying on Bigsby could possibly be a bad thing. My answer is because when he is in, they are keying more on the receivers.

I have no problem giving Bigsby the backup share of carries. My problem is, there aren't 6-8 carries to give him when we only run 13 times in a game. Barkley had 13 carries for 56 yards Friday. No other RB touched the ball. We attempted 34 passes. Chicago possessed the ball for 19 more minutes than us.

Quarter	1st Qtr	71	394	5.5	2	15	10	6	53	8.8	1	2	60.0%	5.3
	2nd Qtr	88	366	4.2	3	17	15	13	73	5.6	1	4	86.7%	4.9
	3rd Qtr	98	667	6.8	2	28	11	9	132	14.7	0	4	81.8%	12.0
	4th Qtr	88	578	6.6	6	22	7	5	20	4.0	0	2	71.4%	2.9
	1st Half	159	760	4.8	5	32	25	19	126	6.6	2	6	76.0%	5.0
	2nd Half	186	1245	6.7	8	50	18	14	152	10.9	0	6	77.8%	8.4

Barkley last year had 1245 yards in the 2nd half of games, compared to 760 in the first half. He's 230 lbs and wears defenses down when he gets over 20 carries. The more carries he gets, the more likely he is to break a big TD run. He pulls himself off the field when he needs a breather. IMO, when you have a RB like Barkley, you don't use any kind of RBBC approach. If defenses are keying on him, that means more opportunities for Brown, Smith, Goedert, and Dotson. But when this team reverts to old Andy Reid mode and passes twice as much as they run, there is no reason to give carries to a lesser back. If Bigsby was a better blocker and receiver like Gainwell was, it would make sense to play him more in passing situations, but I simply don't see a reason to take a Barkley off the field if he isn't winded.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Your memory is not serving you. You won't find any posts where I advocated for Gainwell to get more touches --- especially not last season after Barkley arrived. I did defend Gainwell as a player because there was a lot of people that just didn't like him and stated things about him I disagreed with.

Gainwell was a better blocker and has more reliable hands as a receiver than Barkley and those are a couple things our RBs are struggling with this season. Nevertheless, defenses legitimately gameplan to stop Barkley. You're asking why defenses potentially not keying on Bigsby could possibly be a bad thing. My answer is because when he is in, they are keying more on the receivers.

I have no problem giving Bigsby the backup share of carries. My problem is, there aren't 6-8 carries to give him when we only run 13 times in a game. Barkley had 13 carries for 56 yards Friday. No other RB touched the ball. We attempted 34 passes. Chicago possessed the ball for 19 more minutes than us.

Quarter	1st Qtr	71	394	5.5	2	15	10	6	53	8.8	1	2	60.0%	5.3
	2nd Qtr	88	366	4.2	3	17	15	13	73	5.6	1	4	86.7%	4.9
	3rd Qtr	98	667	6.8	2	28	11	9	132	14.7	0	4	81.8%	12.0
	4th Qtr	88	578	6.6	6	22	7	5	20	4.0	0	2	71.4%	2.9
	1st Half	159	760	4.8	5	32	25	19	126	6.6	2	6	76.0%	5.0
	2nd Half	186	1245	6.7	8	50	18	14	152	10.9	0	6	77.8%	8.4

Barkley last year had 1245 yards in the 2nd half of games, compared to 760 in the first half. He's 230 lbs and wears defenses down when he gets over 20 carries. The more carries he gets, the more likely he is to break a big TD run. He pulls himself off the field when he needs a breather. IMO, when you have a RB like Barkley, you don't use any kind of RBBC approach. If defenses are keying on him, that means more opportunities for Brown, Smith, Goedert, and Dotson. But when this team reverts to old Andy Reid mode and passes twice as much as they run, there is no reason to give carries to a lesser back. If Bigsby was a better blocker and receiver like Gainwell was, it would make sense to play him more in passing situations, but I simply don't see a reason to take a Barkley off the field if he isn't winded.

I definitely agree they did not run Barkley enough against Chicago. They abandoned the run way too soon. The biggest issue people had with Gainwell was it felt like he was getting way too many touches. It almost felt like he was getting full quarters of games. This was happening when the other backs were successful, but still getting benched for Gainwell. This season the run game is struggling, but to trade what they traded for to get Bigsby, but not use him feels criminal. Is Bigsby a great pass blocker? Personally I think the Eagles believe Shipley is the better option there as he usually gets the two minute offensive series. I don’t think it hurts to give Bigsby 5-10 touches especially when our main back is averaging less than 4 yards a carry.

10 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I definitely agree they did not run Barkley enough against Chicago. They abandoned the run way too soon. The biggest issue people had with Gainwell was it felt like he was getting way too many touches. It almost felt like he was getting full quarters of games. This was happening when the other backs were successful, but still getting benched for Gainwell. This season the run game is struggling, but to trade what they traded for to get Bigsby, but not use him feels criminal. Is Bigsby a great pass blocker? Personally I think the Eagles believe Shipley is the better option there as he usually gets the two minute offensive series. I don’t think it hurts to give Bigsby 5-10 touches especially when our main back is averaging less than 4 yards a carry.

When we traded for Bigsby, it was right after Shipley got hurt and the idea was he would lock down the KR job and be the 3rd RB after Dillon while Shipley was out. As a KR he failed miserably and that trade looked awful. But as a HB, he has been good in his opportunities and he has clearly displaced Dillon.

With Shipley, I think his role in the 2 minute offense is to be more pass catcher than blocker.

I think the team had the right balance with Barkley and Gainwell last season. As I said earlier, Barkley comes out on his own when he needs a rest and as you point out the team liked Gainwell for certain packages. But Barkley still had the Lion's share and we ran the ball more than we passed.

If people want Barkley to look like Barkley of last year, he needs more carries. Let him wear teams down.

A RB who is 39th in yards per carry when his backup is averaging 7.7 ypc on the year and 9 ypc on this team does not need more carries.

Tank should be given the chance to run 5-10 times a game and if he is going off then you make an adjustment to 15+ carries for that game.

Saquon can still be our special boy and the starter but the better runner should be on the field way more.

If Saquon goes off then by all means feed him as well.

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

When we traded for Bigsby, it was right after Shipley got hurt and the idea was he would lock down the KR job and be the 3rd RB after Dillon while Shipley was out. As a KR he failed miserably and that trade looked awful. But as a HB, he has been good in his opportunities and he has clearly displaced Dillon.

With Shipley, I think his role in the 2 minute offense is to be more pass catcher than blocker.

I think the team had the right balance with Barkley and Gainwell last season. As I said earlier, Barkley comes out on his own when he needs a rest and as you point out the team liked Gainwell for certain packages. But Barkley still had the Lion's share and we ran the ball more than we passed.

If people want Barkley to look like Barkley of last year, he needs more carries. Let him wear teams down.

I think last season took a toll on Barkley. All the more reason to give him more spell time. Bigsby might have come here as the return guy, but he was a competent back for the Jags. This offense needs a spark and right now no one else is providing that.

Is so bizarre that we continue to trade for players then rarely use them (Bigsby, Bennett, even Carter really hasn't played all that much). At least Phillips and Fred Johnson have been getting playing time (although I wish we were in a situation where Johnson wasn't).

43 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Is so bizarre that we continue to trade for players then rarely use them (Bigsby, Bennett, even Carter really hasn't played all that much). At least Phillips and Fred Johnson have been getting playing time (although I wish we were in a situation where Johnson wasn't).

That's gotta be on the Coaches, yes? Or maybe the players just don't practice well enough to warrant game reps? I wonder.

Start Tank this week! Make the Chargers Defense say "WTF??!!".

Make Saquon be the cleanup RB. He can come in and spell Tank! And maybe break a long TD run. Like he did at that Stadium against the Rams last season.

🏈🦮

1 hour ago, LacesOut said:

That's gotta be on the Coaches, yes? Or maybe the players just don't practice well enough to warrant game reps? I wonder.

I was wondering about the latter with regard to Bennett. Bigsby I think has shown enough (albeit in limited snaps) to warrant extra snaps. Not taking away anything from Barkley ... I think the running game in general needs to be more of a focus. Patullo seems to abandon it too quickly like we used to see under Reid or Pederson before Reich got in his ear or even Sirianni before Steichen took over play calling.

1 hour ago, LacesOut said:

That's gotta be on the Coaches, yes? Or maybe the players just don't practice well enough to warrant game reps? I wonder.

I think Fangio is really one that has high expectations. If a player isn’t playing then he likely isn’t living up to them.

35 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I think Fangio is really one that has high expectations. If a player isn’t playing then he likely isn’t living up to them.

Crazy that earlier in the season they kept bouncing back and forth between Jackson and Ringo and neither were able to play well enough to firmly grasp that starting spot, yet Bennett can't even get a look. I know he was on IR earlier but his practice window was opened Oct 22 and he was activated Nov 12 and still hasn't sniffed he field. He must really be bad (or just not taking to Fangio's coaching)!

3 hours ago, time2rock said:

Is so bizarre that we continue to trade for players then rarely use them (Bigsby, Bennett, even Carter really hasn't played all that much). At least Phillips and Fred Johnson have been getting playing time (although I wish we were in a situation where Johnson wasn't).

Add Golden Tate to that list from years ago. And that was a 3rd round pick. Mike Groh’s explanation was basically "I don’t know how to use him”.

8 minutes ago, MagicMoment said:

Add Golden Tate to that list from years ago. And that was a 3rd round pick. Mike Groh’s explanation was basically "I don’t know how to use him”.

I feel like we have a similar OC now. 😂

Nick, et. al. are afraid of possibly showing up Saquon after giving him that, Thank you money. They have to justify it in the books. Tank should be getting at least 12 spg now.

On 11/26/2025 at 7:21 PM, brkmsn said:

Defenses aren't keying on Bigsby.

isn't that all the more reason to feed him the ball?

2 minutes ago, JohnB said:

isn't that all the more reason to feed him the ball?

You'd rather they key on Brown and Smith all game?

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

You'd rather they key on Brown and Smith all game?

I'd rather our offense spread the ball around and keep defenses guessing all game, but we can't always get what we want. It just baffles me, the level of talent at our skill positions on this offense, and yet we struggle everywhere

5 minutes ago, JohnB said:

I'd rather our offense spread the ball around and keep defenses guessing all game, but we can't always get what we want. It just baffles me, the level of talent at our skill positions on this offense, and yet we struggle everywhere

So many people want to say this is 2023 all over again. If anything, to me, it reminds me in a lot of ways of 2020 where it was just a culmination of everybody committing timely mistakes. People want to point the finger at their favorite target and most likely that person contributed to the struggles, but it isn't just one person. Nobody is stepping up. It's actually a great opportunity right now for Hurts to take a step forward as the leader. If he can't get the offense to perform better down the final stretch, we really need to start questioning the player leadership on this team. There's a lot of frustration and it seems to hold the team down. Somebody needs to provide a spark or light a fire.

The last game showed how their offense needs to be schemed. Jalen should thrown15-25 times a game in the range. He needs to run a bit just so the D respects the threat. Have Barkley and Tank run. The O line playing more disciplined did help tremendously.

With Barkley suffering the stinger last weekend, I hope they sit him this Saturday. Start Bigsby and mix in Shipley.

Bigsby should get way more playing time and see what he's got. He has flashed, so he has something. Barkley cooked himself last year.

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

With Barkley suffering the stinger last weekend, I hope they sit him this Saturday. Start Bigsby and mix in Shipley.

I can grab Bigsby in my FF league where I'm playing in the playoffs right now....would love to know if there's even a chance that Barkley would miss. Bigbsy would be a killer start.

But I haven't heard a peep from anyone suggesting he's even in any remote danger of missing this week.

56 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

I can grab Bigsby in my FF league where I'm playing in the playoffs right now....would love to know if there's even a chance that Barkley would miss. Bigbsy would be a killer start.

But I haven't heard a peep from anyone suggesting he's even in any remote danger of missing this week.

I haven’t seen anything to suggest he may sit … I merely said I hoped they would sit him this week.

47 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I haven’t seen anything to suggest he may sit … I merely said I hoped they would sit him this week.

I wasn't suggesting that you suggested that