There is plenty of blame to go around

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s not like Herbert has an elite offensive line. He was out there with one hand doing whatever it took for him to get the win. Our guy just chooses not to run, and anytime a quarterback is throwing the ball 40 plus times you are probably looking at a team way behind. Jalen’s turnover ratio is low because his pass attempts tend to be low.

Eh, kudos to Herbert on those designed runs, but it's not like Jalen hasn't also had similar plays called for him this season or "chooses not to run." It's funny, all I saw last year was people saying he should run less to avoid injuries, and I don't seem to recall people complaining about his lack of running this year when the team was 8-2. But now all of a sudden it's an issue because they're losing, lol.

Hurts still has like 20 more rushing attempts on the season than Herbert due to tush pushes, but I'm honestly glad he isn't running 150 times like he did last year. That's a recipe for getting your QB hurt, especially when defenses are trying to knock him out. Jayden Daniels was #2 in the league with attempts by a QB last season, and people warned that he should scale it back. He didn't take that advice and he's been injured for pretty much the entire season this year. No thanks!

Mike Groh, Brian Johnson and Kevin Patullo….all three whom will have been let go to only never coach at the title they were here. Our organization thinks we are good at promoting within and we are not. To me it’s mainly coaching, yes players have rough seasons but good coaching gets the best out of them through the tough times. Please start the OC search now and be ready to pull the plug on Sirianni if he has an issue with it.

You are correct that the blame is on the coaching staff

They should have replaced Hurts earlier

10 hours ago, MF POON said:

Yeah, he passed 34 times, but a number of those throws were due to us trying to come back to win. Caleb had 36 throws himself for 150 yds, and that was with each of his RB's going for over 100 yds. That should tell you exactly how much they dominated the TOP for that game, as they ran 34 more plays than us. Jalen's 2 turnovers were bad, but it was 2-1 in regard to turnovers as Caleb also threw an INT. The biggest issues were us simply not being able to run the ball and mostly, the defense giving up 281 rushing yards. Their inability to get off the field on 3rd downs and not prevent each RB going for 6-12 yards a carry, are what really lost us that game.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with how Barkley was running in that game. We simply didn't commit to the run which last year was our identity and the reason for our success. Last year, probably one of the biggest reasons we had the defensive numbers we had was because of our offensive running game. So it's no surprise when we abandon the run, that our defense pays the price by being on the field more --- especially when it's our inability to pass that is forcing numerous 3 and outs offensively. When we played Chicago, it was pretty windy and I'm sure that was a factor, but Jalen was wildly inaccurate in that game. It wasn't just the turnovers. Knowing that the bears were forced to start scrubs at LB and that it was cold and windy should have logically led to Barkley getting a bigger workload. Averaging over 4 ypc in that game also supports the argument.

Earlier in the season, I thought Hurts was playing well, even without the big, pretty numbers fans like so much. Clearly the team was distracted a little more each week by the outside noise and general grumbling. For some reason they caved to the pressure to prove they can pass and now have lost 3 straight games by trying to force the issue. At this point it's classic sunk cost fallacy to pass 65% of the time.

9 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

I agree with everything you said, except the last sentence. I mean, I agree with that in theory, I just don't think they can do that. It's been obvious all year they can't run the ball and that's not gonna change. So, they have to do something different...which is what we are seeing. No run game = bad Jalen.

That said, if they would combine better routes for the receivers (I thought they had some good design routes last night with more in the middle patterns) along with involving Bigsby more and more rhythmic play calling with when to infuse the run game, they could be better. But, we just aren't gonna see it this year.

Jalen should revert back to the 2022 version where he was much more decisive as a runner and didn't hang in there until the last second allowing potential run lanes to close. That would provide a huge boost to both the run game and the passing efficiency as it would extend drives that are stalling right now. I also have stated a few times that I believe Barkley needs 20+ carries per game to get the most out of him. In 2024, Barkley has 760 yards in the first halves of games (4.8 ypc) and 1245 yards in the 2nd half (6.7 ypc). Clearly he is most effective as he wears teams down, but we aren't taking advantage of that at all this year. His attempts per game is much lower this year.

Another thing that we could do that doesn't help the defense, but can greatly boost the offense is to use more up-tempo. When everything seems to be a struggle, up-tempo can be the cure. I believe that would help the O-line a lot.

13 hours ago, seengreen said:

Jalen is a very good QB he does a lot of good things as a QB. But, he is clearly not a wco QB. Nick's offense isn't necessarily a wco. I just think to get the maximum out of the talent, they need a WCO QB.

He's not a WCO QB or a Coryell QB. He's more similar to a spread QB. I know, some people will argue blah blah Alabama blah blah, but the truth of the matter is he is just not progression sound. Everyone was like 'See, he can throw over the middle fine!'

He does not throw over the middle fine.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Jalen should revert back to the 2022 version where he was much more decisive as a runner and didn't hang in there until the last second allowing potential run lanes to close. That would provide a huge boost to both the run game and the passing efficiency as it would extend drives that are stalling right now. I also have stated a few times that I believe Barkley needs 20+ carries per game to get the most out of him. In 2024, Barkley has 760 yards in the first halves of games (4.8 ypc) and 1245 yards in the 2nd half (6.7 ypc). Clearly he is most effective as he wears teams down, but we aren't taking advantage of that at all this year. His attempts per game is much lower this year.

Another thing that we could do that doesn't help the defense, but can greatly boost the offense is to use more up-tempo. When everything seems to be a struggle, up-tempo can be the cure. I believe that would help the O-line a lot.

I mean if he could magically revert to the 2022 version, that'd be great. He played really well that year, but the main reason was he was throwing with anticipation and throwing people open. We have an average, timing based scheme that relies on throwing with anticipation and throwing players open. You have to predict that people will become open. Jalen was good at that in 2022, but hasn't been since. So instead, we've relied on the running game to help us out, which isn't working this year.

I think people think it's easy to blame Patullo because he's the obvious change, but a lot of these problems have already been here for quite some time. The truth of the matter is, Jalen has not been a primary asset to the Eagles offense throwing the football in several years. I sincerely think his 2022 season was one of the best seasons from an Eagles QB ever, but the year after that he couldn't stop throwing picks, the year after that the pass game was stagnant even though people constantly claim "well if they needed to they would have thrown it fine!!!" when the big change at the beginning of the year was the OL asking to run the football more, and then this year - people argue the scheme is too basic, so they open it up more, and Jalen is just out there throwing picks.

Patullo is going to get scapegoated not because of Sirianni, but because the FO is going to realize 'Well, we have what we have' with Jalen, and there's not really much they can do about that. This is why you should never give a QB a no trade clause. Ever.

Once again, Sirianni never got to pick his QB, and every QB aside from Jalen (and Mariota I guess) is the exact opposite type from Jalen - slow, throw first kind of QBs. I don't think it's a coincidence that not a single other QB the Eagles drafted was in the mold of Jalen Hurts.

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Jalen should revert back to the 2022 version where he was much more decisive as a runner and didn't hang in there until the last second allowing potential run lanes to close. That would provide a huge boost to both the run game and the passing efficiency as it would extend drives that are stalling right now. I also have stated a few times that I believe Barkley needs 20+ carries per game to get the most out of him. In 2024, Barkley has 760 yards in the first halves of games (4.8 ypc) and 1245 yards in the 2nd half (6.7 ypc). Clearly he is most effective as he wears teams down, but we aren't taking advantage of that at all this year. His attempts per game is much lower this year.

Another thing that we could do that doesn't help the defense, but can greatly boost the offense is to use more up-tempo. When everything seems to be a struggle, up-tempo can be the cure. I believe that would help the O-line a lot.

Yep. Jalen has not been a decisive runner this year...I suppose that's why we've heard things being leaked out about him not wanting as many designed runs. As a side note, did you notice that one play on Monday night where he faked taking off on a designed run...and it did nothing for the play? I was like, wtf was that!

The whole run game thing...I agree with the premise, but way too many times this year Barkley is getting stuffed. Teams have clearly been focused on stopping him and that combined with the play and health of the OL has basically killed that aspect. There have been several times this year overall where I've been yelling at my TV about them continuing to run the ball when it was clear they couldn't.

Not sure why the "sports experts" out there can't see the truth here.

Siri has to be fired
Patullo has to be fired

The players will respond when they believe in the coaches and systems.

On 12/9/2025 at 6:09 AM, opa-opa said:

The most creative plays Patullo came up with today were those useless WR screens to Smith. Hurts had to do it all out there and came up short.

When reports came out that Sirianni was gonna be more involved, I can bet my house those were his plays. Carbon copy of 2023.

45 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

Not sure why the "sports experts" out there can't see the truth here.

Siri has to be fired
Patullo has to be fired

The players will respond when they believe in the coaches and systems.

Siri is a good "coach" Monday to Saturday. He's not a game day coach. They need to bring in an OC that's not looking for a HC job like Fangio. Unfortunately I don't think there's anyone out there like that unless Reich has learned his lesson. Shoot even Daboll would be 2nd on my list.

On 12/9/2025 at 1:01 PM, GeorgeM37 said:

Let's not forget when McNabb was benched in Baltimore (I think)....he played fine for the rest of the season, if I am remembering correctly....

Its hard to not forget something that never happened.

He was very good vs Arizona on Thanksgiving. After the game he joined Deion Sanders for a post game "Lets insult Philly and the fans" moment.

He was also good against 4-12 Cleveland. Wow!

He led them to 3 points vs DC. 3 points is not fine.

He was 12-21 vs Dallas in the Silver Linings Playbook game. The rest of the team was amazing and he was OK.

Then he had 6 turnovers in 3 playoff games and wet the bed in the NFCCG.

His play in the playoffs was not fine. Asante and the choke slam gang carried him in the first 2 playoff games.

Two of the worst plays in Eagles history involved crossers to wide open WRs.

Foles hit Riley Cooper in the hands vs New Orleans and he dropped it. 100% on Cooper.

McNabb hit Hank Baskett in the shoelaces and forced him to the ground with a patented worm burner. 100% on the QB.

Speaking of the D fumbling after a pick. The game was only close because DJ caused a fumble after a McNabb pick to bail him out.

McNabb was trash. Its really weird that people need to pretend he wasn't.

I guess it makes sense though, the national media got hold of the one way feud of the McNabb family and their publicist vs Philly

The media picked McNabb's side.

If you are easily influenced by propaganda then Philly fans are evil for not loving McNabb more and McNabb was great.

The chant is much worse when its

"We're from Philly, %^*% Philly!"

"No one likes us but we slurp their lies!"

McNabb had 11 turnovers in his last 5 playoff games including the SB and the 2008 NFCCG

vs

Hey, those guys threw snowballs at santa in 1968!

On 12/9/2025 at 12:36 PM, EaglesAddict said:

I agree with everything you said, except the last sentence. I mean, I agree with that in theory, I just don't think they can do that. It's been obvious all year they can't run the ball and that's not gonna change. So, they have to do something different...which is what we are seeing. No run game = bad Jalen.

That said, if they would combine better routes for the receivers (I thought they had some good design routes last night with more in the middle patterns) along with involving Bigsby more and more rhythmic play calling with when to infuse the run game, they could be better. But, we just aren't gonna see it this year.

The Eagles were ranked last in passing last year. The passing game was not good cause of Hurts.

7 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Its hard to not forget something that never happened.

He was very good vs Arizona on Thanksgiving. After the game he joined Deion Sanders for a post game "Lets insult Philly and the fans" moment.

He was also good against 4-12 Cleveland. Wow!

He led them to 3 points vs DC. 3 points is not fine.

He was 12-21 vs Dallas in the Silver Linings Playbook game. The rest of the team was amazing and he was OK.

Then he had 6 turnovers in 3 playoff games and wet the bed in the NFCCG.

His play in the playoffs was not fine. Asante and the choke slam gang carried him in the first 2 playoff games.

Two of the worst plays in Eagles history involved crossers to wide open WRs.

Foles hit Riley Cooper in the hands vs New Orleans and he dropped it. 100% on Cooper.

McNabb hit Hank Baskett in the shoelaces and forced him to the ground with a patented worm burner. 100% on the QB.

Speaking of the D fumbling after a pick. The game was only close because DJ caused a fumble after a McNabb pick to bail him out.

McNabb was trash. Its really weird that people need to pretend he wasn't.

I guess it makes sense though, the national media got hold of the one way feud of the McNabb family and their publicist vs Philly

The media picked McNabb's side.

If you are easily influenced by propaganda then Philly fans are evil for not loving McNabb more and McNabb was great.

The chant is much worse when its

"We're from Philly, %^*% Philly!"

"No one likes us but we slurp their lies!"

McNabb had 11 turnovers in his last 5 playoff games including the SB and the 2008 NFCCG

vs

Hey, those guys threw snowballs at santa in 1968!

Thinks Hurts is a top 5 QB ^

On 12/10/2025 at 8:13 AM, EaglesAddict said:

Yep. Jalen has not been a decisive runner this year...I suppose that's why we've heard things being leaked out about him not wanting as many designed runs. As a side note, did you notice that one play on Monday night where he faked taking off on a designed run...and it did nothing for the play? I was like, wtf was that!

The whole run game thing...I agree with the premise, but way too many times this year Barkley is getting stuffed. Teams have clearly been focused on stopping him and that combined with the play and health of the OL has basically killed that aspect. There have been several times this year overall where I've been yelling at my TV about them continuing to run the ball when it was clear they couldn't.

Seems Jalen Hurts is a teenage girl. Indecisive about everything

The OC has worked with Siri for many seasons prior to coming to Eagles. Siri wanted him at the position, which by now has been underwhelmed. The FO has not made the change to this point primarily making change mid-season usually does not work well. After the season, expect the OC is gone. Re Siri, depends how the rest of the season goes and how he explains to the FO.

Hurts has his limitations. This season exposes a lot of them. The bottom line is that his running is the factor that distinguishes him, his passing and game situation processing are not top draws. The coaching pulls him back from running, that takes away his best weapon. Last season with Barkley taking the running to a high level, Hurts could be a functional QB. For whatever reasons, the running game this season is sub-par, the offense just stalled.

The team is stuck with Hurts. Moving from him will cost a lot and any replacement will take couple more seasons to sink in. Wonder if Howie will say anything about QB factory now.

On 12/9/2025 at 6:48 AM, ManchesterEagle said:

I’m a big Hurts fan and definitely he has taken some unfair criticism this year when others have been at fault (mostly the coaching staff). He’s also had to contend with a brutal schedule and some bad throwing conditions.

But last night he was really bad.

Jalen was indeed bad in this game, but why is he throwing it 40 times in such a close game? Why can’t they run the ball with last year’s OPOY? Mialata was according to PFF (who are trash BTW) called him the best player in football. Now I have to ask has he even been close to that this year? Has anyone on the line really even been on a pro bowl level? This line used to beat people up, but this year they’re not moving people on run downs and they have been marginally better on passing downs. I see three main culprits to this season’s struggles. The offensive line is not the best in football. Right now they’re a middling group. The next issue is a complete change in the offense and what they’re running. The last issue I see is a lack of discipline. The rise of turnovers and penalties is alarming right now. Jalen had five turnovers, while being forced into a style he’s not comfortable with. If you want that style of quarterback then draft and start that type of quarterback. Don’t draft a guy who doesn’t do those things and expect him to be that guy.

On 12/9/2025 at 4:08 PM, MF POON said:

Eh, kudos to Herbert on those designed runs, but it's not like Jalen hasn't also had similar plays called for him this season or "chooses not to run." It's funny, all I saw last year was people saying he should run less to avoid injuries, and I don't seem to recall people complaining about his lack of running this year when the team was 8-2. But now all of a sudden it's an issue because they're losing, lol.

Hurts still has like 20 more rushing attempts on the season than Herbert due to tush pushes, but I'm honestly glad he isn't running 150 times like he did last year. That's a recipe for getting your QB hurt, especially when defenses are trying to knock him out. Jayden Daniels was #2 in the league with attempts by a QB last season, and people warned that he should scale it back. He didn't take that advice and he's been injured for pretty much the entire season this year. No thanks!

I have been on the same thought about Jalen’s running. For three consecutive backs they had their career years with Jalen. Some could try and claim it was just the offensive line, but really those guys had their best season with Jalen too and that’s because his legs forced defenses to account for him. Simply put Jalen not running makes this offense and him less dynamic. Jalen not running basically turns him into McNabb. Sure there’s some chance that he could get injured and he has been in the past too. With that being the case they’re are plenty of quarterbacks who aren’t running who still get hurt. He can still run, but protect yourself.

I’m hardly a fan of Patullo but I think he called his best game last week. The play calling was definitely there but Hurts, as always, doesn’t see the whole field and misses wide open receivers, throws an inaccurate ball or turned it over. AJ Brown had a terrible game too with 3 drops that cost us a win.

The offensive struggles are a combination of poor coaching, poor QB play and poor OLine play. Barkley also looks a step slower after his workload last year.

Siri and Patullo. Heads have to roll in the offseason.

No way in hell should any QB ever throw that OT pass that was picked. Give him an F for that throw alone.

Its 1st down. You throw it out of bounds instead of risking that tight throw.

The throw to AJ was not perfect or even good but it was still catchable. AJ did not make the play.

The throw to DeVonta was awesome. The 3 TD passes to AJ were all great. The 2 drops and the penalty had nothing to do with Hurts.

Hurts Haters got to have their Super Bowl on Monday. The 2 turnover play was really awful but it was also a fluke.

Hurts got the ball back and almost instantly it gets knocked away again with a great play by the defender.

Should he have immediately secured the ball and fell down? Absolutely. Do you practice that? I doubt it.

Does anyone see a double turnover play habit being a problem going forward?

The game Hurts played on the field was about 330 yards passing, 3 TDs, 2 picks and a fumble in regulation.

(The last pick does not happen without OT) Even though we know it was a terrible read and throw.

AJ just has to catch the ball or Mailata just has to legally block a pass rusher when AJ did catch the ball.

How does McKee throwing 3 TDs to AJ but Mailata holds on 1 and AJ drops on 2 and 3 fix anything.

I don't get how McKee makes Jake hit 48 yard field goals.

If AJ catches 1 of those 3 balls or if he doesn't but Mailata makes one lousy block inside the 10 on a routine play then the Eagles win.

If Jake hits a routine 2025 FG of 48 yards in a dome like setting, they win.

He had a bad game. I thought they should have sat him at halftime.

AJ was worse.

Mailta has to be excellent on about 5 to 10 plays a game and he was not good enough on Monday.

In 2024 Hurts would audible/adjust at the line of scrimmage. He would move Saquon to the other side.

He would turn a run into a pass. He would call a run to the other side based on the D.

He would turn a pass into the run based on looks.

This actually happened.

None of that can happen when the OC is an ass clown who can't get the play in on time.

None of this can happen if the OC and HC devised a high school offense with grade school route combinations.

None of the simple offense garbage is a Hurts thing.

This offense looks nothing like 2021, 22, 23, or 24.

Just face up to the facts that Patullo might be one of the 10 worst OCs in NFL history.

No conspiracy theories, no need to reconcile the actual proven greatness of 2022-24 Hurts with this abomination of an offense.

No gossiping coaches doing their job well but revolting against a Jalen Hurts who is holding them back.

Its just one fraud who is 0 out of 100 competent. He makes Kotite look like Mike Martz.

Hurts is QB1 on merit.

Patullo is the HC's best friend.

Everything is bad about the Offense. Throwing the ball 40x against the Chargers was ridiculous. Their D is good against pass and ok against the run. The Iggles were never down by more than a TD, but yet, they dialed up 40 passes. Ugh. That's Coaching, IMO.

I know it was the Raiders, but the team did everything we have been expecting them to do all year finally.