Honest question here and I’m not trolling, just curious what others think. The Eagles have been elite in recent years, yeah...but how much of that is real offensive quality vs. just the tush push grind? Everyone knows the "tush push” is basically an automatic short-yardage cheat code at this point. t works so reliably it changes the whole math of the game and puts defenses in this weird position where they have to either let it happen or get physically dominated. But this season it hasn’t been the same. It’s getting stuffed more, the success rate is down, and suddenly… we’re not winning games the same way. Is this entire current iteration of the eagles just built around the tush push?

7 hours ago, Geemen said:

Honest question here and I’m not trolling, just curious what others think. The Eagles have been elite in recent years, yeah...but how much of that is real offensive quality vs. just the tush push grind? Everyone knows the "tush push” is basically an automatic short-yardage cheat code at this point. t works so reliably it changes the whole math of the game and puts defenses in this weird position where they have to either let it happen or get physically dominated. But this season it hasn’t been the same. It’s getting stuffed more, the success rate is down, and suddenly… we’re not winning games the same way. Is this entire current iteration of the eagles just built around the tush push?

Well, the Eagles did design a lot of their offense around being able to automatically gain 2 yards over 2 plays if need be, 1-1.5 yards over one play.

But that party is kind of over anyway. The tush push right now is no better than other teams handing it off or sneaking it in a jumbo package. Is it effective? Sure. But once it's no longer automatic, the entire approach becomes extinct.

9 hours ago, Geemen said:

Honest question here and I’m not trolling, just curious what others think. The Eagles have been elite in recent years, yeah...but how much of that is real offensive quality vs. just the tush push grind? Everyone knows the "tush push” is basically an automatic short-yardage cheat code at this point. t works so reliably it changes the whole math of the game and puts defenses in this weird position where they have to either let it happen or get physically dominated. But this season it hasn’t been the same. It’s getting stuffed more, the success rate is down, and suddenly… we’re not winning games the same way. Is this entire current iteration of the eagles just built around the tush push?

No, the base of the offense is Frank Reich's lineage, which mean it was designed before the Brotherly Shove was a mainstay. What probably changed is that the coaching staff got conditioned to having it in their bag of tricks and it's worked for them for so long.

Who’s "we”?!?!

Unless you’re jumping ship??

This team was good, because their offensive line beat teams up, and they ran the ball effectively. Their quarterback forced teams to account for his legs which opened things up for the running backs. They also found ways to scheme their players open. Now they seem old, bland, and lacking of any offensive ingenuity. The offensive line is struggling so bad right now they can’t even do that play effectively. In fact more teams around the league are doing it better than they are right now. So to be clear you don’t have a record of 56-25 plus two SB appearances in three years to go with only the second SB win in franchise history based only on a one yard play.

No we were not only good because of the push. We found something that we could execute better than any other team. Did we abuse it sure. If any other team was in that position they would do it just as much. Our offense was good due to our O-line and ability to run the ball. As we saw. Jalen cannot throw 30+ times a game he is not that QB. Base the passing off the run game. Give Jalen a few designed runs to make the D have to worry about it and you saw an efficient and capable offense.

The tush push wasn’t just a play, it was the entire offensive philosophy. Remove it and you’re left with a QB who can’t carry games, a scheme that can’t adapt, and us fans arguing that efficiency means explosiveness. That’s not football innovation. Its finding a loophole, that seems like its closing. If we make the playoffs this year, we are going to have to play actual offfense.

I might be in the minority here, but I don't think the tush push has helped that much. Sure, it's a relief knowing that you can convert almost any 4th and 1, but to me it's complete nonsense saying that the offense is designed around one very simple play that doesn't gain more than 1 yard. I mean, what coach would play call to gain exactly 9 yards? No one.

It's been a nice card to have up the sleeve, but you should be almost as successful handing the ball to Barkley behind our OL (or doing a regular sneak for that matter).

BTW, the Eagles destroyed the Chiefs using only 1 tush push the whole game. And it came after Dotson was ruled short after a nice 30-something yard catch.

The offense is good when they are running the ball with Saquon, one of the league's top RBs, behind one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. Bigsby isn't half bad either. Hurts has a limited skillset, yes, but he is dangerous when he is also a running threat. The Eagles need to run the ball. If Hurts just waits in the pocket, defenses can sit back in zone and pick off his passes. Hurts doesn't have a quick release and he is on the shorter side. He is better against man-coverage when he can put the ball in space for one of his talented WRs to make a play. They need the run threat to open up space in the secondary where Hurts can pick them apart. Patullo has not shown he is half of the mind Kellen Moore was. So coaching took a step down. But they remain one of the more talented teams on offense: Barkley, Brown, Smitty, Goedert, Lane, Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, Hurts, et al. They can hang with anyone and beat most teams just based on talent alone. But if they want to make another run in the playoffs they need to find an edge. Run the ball.

1 hour ago, Geemen said:

The tush push wasn’t just a play, it was the entire offensive philosophy. Remove it and you’re left with a QB who can’t carry games, a scheme that can’t adapt, and us fans arguing that efficiency means explosiveness. That’s not football innovation. Its finding a loophole, that seems like its closing. If we make the playoffs this year, we are going to have to play actual offfense.

"We”???

They can no longer lean on the Tush Push. Because the league has adjusted and their line is woefully injured, and or inconsistent.

I said on another thread, the Tush Push should be removed from the playbook. Run a normal QB sneak, or run a play off the TP formation, or better yet, hand the ball off to a 225 lb RB.

Teams have obviously adjusted to it. And the OLine this season is arse. It's not working anymore, consistently. Let it die, like other "fad" Offensive plays, i.e, the Wildcat.

I think the refs have been told to carefully watch for false starts on the Tush Push. We have had guys move early which has cost us. It's especially troublesome near the goal line when the defense has nothing to lose by penalty and getting us to move costs us a big 5 yards.

On 12/12/2025 at 8:53 PM, time2rock said:

Who’s "we”?!?!

Unless you’re jumping ship??

On 12/17/2025 at 11:32 AM, time2rock said:

"We”???

what's wrong with saying "We?" If you're a fan of a team, it's normal to think that way.

1 hour ago, JohnB said:

what's wrong with saying "We?" If you're a fan of a team, it's normal to think that way.

Geemen … G-men … Giants fan.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Geemen … G-men … Giants fan.

oh.... I missed that. Lol

On 12/12/2025 at 1:19 PM, Geemen said:

Honest question here and I’m not trolling, just curious what others think. The Eagles have been elite in recent years, yeah...but how much of that is real offensive quality vs. just the tush push grind? Everyone knows the "tush push” is basically an automatic short-yardage cheat code at this point. t works so reliably it changes the whole math of the game and puts defenses in this weird position where they have to either let it happen or get physically dominated. But this season it hasn’t been the same. It’s getting stuffed more, the success rate is down, and suddenly… we’re not winning games the same way. Is this entire current iteration of the eagles just built around the tush push?

You are partially right. The Eagles relied heavily on the tush push to move the chains. Mainly cause Hurts sucks at throwing the football. That was their way of compensating for that.

On 12/17/2025 at 12:38 PM, Geemen said:

The tush push wasn’t just a play, it was the entire offensive philosophy. Remove it and you’re left with a QB who can’t carry games, a scheme that can’t adapt, and us fans arguing that efficiency means explosiveness. That’s not football innovation. Its finding a loophole, that seems like its closing. If we make the playoffs this year, we are going to have to play actual offfense.

Yup. Imagine if this team didn't have the tush push. They don't make the SB in 22. Maybe even last year. This team leaned hard on the tush push to move the chains cause they weren't doing it other ways.

They definitely need to scrap the play. It's nowhere close to a sure thing anymore and the refs clearly have one hand on the flag now when they run it. I kinda don't think the league will need to ban it since they can just toss enough flags on it that the Eagles won't want to risk the penalty to run it and other teams are stopping it with increasing frequency when a flag is not thrown. Also if the Eagles are bounced early in the playoffs those screaming to ban it last year probably stop worrying about it.

1 hour ago, GreenMachine said:

They definitely need to scrap the play. It's nowhere close to a sure thing anymore and the refs clearly have one hand on the flag now when they run it. I kinda don't think the league will need to ban it since they can just toss enough flags on it that the Eagles won't want to risk the penalty to run it and other teams are stopping it with increasing frequency when a flag is not thrown. Also if the Eagles are bounced early in the playoffs those screaming to ban it last year probably stop worrying about it.

The thing that's hurt the tush push the most, IMO, is we keep lining up trying to draw a penalty first. Just hustle up to the line and run it. Keep teams on their heels and keep the refs out of the equation.

On 12/23/2025 at 8:54 AM, brkmsn said:

The thing that's hurt the tush push the most, IMO, is we keep lining up trying to draw a penalty first. Just hustle up to the line and run it. Keep teams on their heels and keep the refs out of the equation.

The thing that hurts the play the most is having a LG and C who clearly have been playing injured most of the season. The run game being pedestrian this year is also a result of the same.

The offense was built around the tush push. It was built around being able to run the ball effectively with Barkley and getting to 3rd and manageable and run the ball on 3rd down and be in 4th and short and convert that with the tush push. Or 3rd and short and convert with tush push or have 4th down to convert if 3rd down fails. The entire offense has fallen apart this season because they aren't running the ball as well. Whether that be the Oline not being as effective run blocking and letting defenders hit Barkley in the backfield or Barkley also not looking as effective as last year at making defenders miss.

The Eagles were so effective last season because they had the option to run the ball at will and be able to get to situations on 3rd or 4th down to convert with a tush push. And that opened up the passing and made them unpredictable. Because they were able to run the ball in clear passing situations due to having the tush push in their back pocket. It isn't happening this season and it looks like they finally turned the corner and have been adjusting to an offense that is not completely reliant on the tush push and running game. At least that is what I have observed.

Teams are figuring out how to defend tug push now. Our guys can't get the short yards every time. I always think they should mix in some variations on that play, like toss to someone behind Hurts to run in. When the defense has to account for the variations, the tug push forward will have easier time to succeed.

On 12/23/2025 at 5:54 AM, brkmsn said:

The thing that's hurt the tush push the most, IMO, is we keep lining up trying to draw a penalty first. Just hustle up to the line and run it. Keep teams on their heels and keep the refs out of the equation.

The last game actually looked like the refs were going to flag the play regardless of an actual penalty. The refs can't see the 1-frame offset false start in real-time. And I'm sure if every play was tracked with slow motion capture we would see false starts on most plays going frame-by-frame. It may be unfairly officiated going forward. I really don't think there is a need for them to run the tush push much anyway. Their offense doesn't warrant it being an advantage this season. And it has cost us a lot more than it has benefited us this season with some crucial turnover on downs and turnovers.

On 12/17/2025 at 10:07 AM, beto_eagles said:

I might be in the minority here, but I don't think the tush push has helped that much. Sure, it's a relief knowing that you can convert almost any 4th and 1, but to me it's complete nonsense saying that the offense is designed around one very simple play that doesn't gain more than 1 yard. I mean, what coach would play call to gain exactly 9 yards? No one.

It's been a nice card to have up the sleeve, but you should be almost as successful handing the ball to Barkley behind our OL (or doing a regular sneak for that matter).

BTW, the Eagles destroyed the Chiefs using only 1 tush push the whole game. And it came after Dotson was ruled short after a nice 30-something yard catch.

They were gaining more than a yard on that play in previous years. And when you have a near guaranteed 1 yard play it opens things up on 1st thru 3rd down to get 9 yards. On top of them manhandling defensive lines and the running game being so effective. I bet the Eagles have been one of, if not the most, run-heavy teams on down and distances where nearly every other team would pass. And that was because it made them more unpredictable and they had the near guaranteed 1-2 yard conversion play they always ran. If they were able to get to 3rd and medium or short they were almost guaranteed to convert because they had the flexibility to run or pass and either pick up the 3rd down or get to 4th and short and convert with the tush push.

You could definitely see it with their early season games and why they have so many 3-and-outs. The running game hasn't been as effective and they aren't able to consistently get to the tush push situations. And then teams are getting better at defending it and the refs now appear to be unfairly officiating the play.