Posted December 12Dec 12 Honest question here and I’m not trolling, just curious what others think. The Eagles have been elite in recent years, yeah...but how much of that is real offensive quality vs. just the tush push grind? Everyone knows the "tush push” is basically an automatic short-yardage cheat code at this point. t works so reliably it changes the whole math of the game and puts defenses in this weird position where they have to either let it happen or get physically dominated. But this season it hasn’t been the same. It’s getting stuffed more, the success rate is down, and suddenly… we’re not winning games the same way. Is this entire current iteration of the eagles just built around the tush push?
December 13Dec 13 7 hours ago, Geemen said:Honest question here and I’m not trolling, just curious what others think. The Eagles have been elite in recent years, yeah...but how much of that is real offensive quality vs. just the tush push grind? Everyone knows the "tush push” is basically an automatic short-yardage cheat code at this point. t works so reliably it changes the whole math of the game and puts defenses in this weird position where they have to either let it happen or get physically dominated. But this season it hasn’t been the same. It’s getting stuffed more, the success rate is down, and suddenly… we’re not winning games the same way. Is this entire current iteration of the eagles just built around the tush push?Well, the Eagles did design a lot of their offense around being able to automatically gain 2 yards over 2 plays if need be, 1-1.5 yards over one play. But that party is kind of over anyway. The tush push right now is no better than other teams handing it off or sneaking it in a jumbo package. Is it effective? Sure. But once it's no longer automatic, the entire approach becomes extinct.
December 13Dec 13 9 hours ago, Geemen said:Honest question here and I’m not trolling, just curious what others think. The Eagles have been elite in recent years, yeah...but how much of that is real offensive quality vs. just the tush push grind? Everyone knows the "tush push” is basically an automatic short-yardage cheat code at this point. t works so reliably it changes the whole math of the game and puts defenses in this weird position where they have to either let it happen or get physically dominated. But this season it hasn’t been the same. It’s getting stuffed more, the success rate is down, and suddenly… we’re not winning games the same way. Is this entire current iteration of the eagles just built around the tush push?No, the base of the offense is Frank Reich's lineage, which mean it was designed before the Brotherly Shove was a mainstay. What probably changed is that the coaching staff got conditioned to having it in their bag of tricks and it's worked for them for so long.
December 13Dec 13 This team was good, because their offensive line beat teams up, and they ran the ball effectively. Their quarterback forced teams to account for his legs which opened things up for the running backs. They also found ways to scheme their players open. Now they seem old, bland, and lacking of any offensive ingenuity. The offensive line is struggling so bad right now they can’t even do that play effectively. In fact more teams around the league are doing it better than they are right now. So to be clear you don’t have a record of 56-25 plus two SB appearances in three years to go with only the second SB win in franchise history based only on a one yard play.
December 15Dec 15 No we were not only good because of the push. We found something that we could execute better than any other team. Did we abuse it sure. If any other team was in that position they would do it just as much. Our offense was good due to our O-line and ability to run the ball. As we saw. Jalen cannot throw 30+ times a game he is not that QB. Base the passing off the run game. Give Jalen a few designed runs to make the D have to worry about it and you saw an efficient and capable offense.
Wednesday at 05:38 PM5 days Author The tush push wasn’t just a play, it was the entire offensive philosophy. Remove it and you’re left with a QB who can’t carry games, a scheme that can’t adapt, and us fans arguing that efficiency means explosiveness. That’s not football innovation. Its finding a loophole, that seems like its closing. If we make the playoffs this year, we are going to have to play actual offfense.
Wednesday at 06:07 PM5 days I might be in the minority here, but I don't think the tush push has helped that much. Sure, it's a relief knowing that you can convert almost any 4th and 1, but to me it's complete nonsense saying that the offense is designed around one very simple play that doesn't gain more than 1 yard. I mean, what coach would play call to gain exactly 9 yards? No one.It's been a nice card to have up the sleeve, but you should be almost as successful handing the ball to Barkley behind our OL (or doing a regular sneak for that matter).BTW, the Eagles destroyed the Chiefs using only 1 tush push the whole game. And it came after Dotson was ruled short after a nice 30-something yard catch.
Wednesday at 07:22 PM5 days The offense is good when they are running the ball with Saquon, one of the league's top RBs, behind one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. Bigsby isn't half bad either. Hurts has a limited skillset, yes, but he is dangerous when he is also a running threat. The Eagles need to run the ball. If Hurts just waits in the pocket, defenses can sit back in zone and pick off his passes. Hurts doesn't have a quick release and he is on the shorter side. He is better against man-coverage when he can put the ball in space for one of his talented WRs to make a play. They need the run threat to open up space in the secondary where Hurts can pick them apart. Patullo has not shown he is half of the mind Kellen Moore was. So coaching took a step down. But they remain one of the more talented teams on offense: Barkley, Brown, Smitty, Goedert, Lane, Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, Hurts, et al. They can hang with anyone and beat most teams just based on talent alone. But if they want to make another run in the playoffs they need to find an edge. Run the ball.
Wednesday at 07:32 PM5 days 1 hour ago, Geemen said:The tush push wasn’t just a play, it was the entire offensive philosophy. Remove it and you’re left with a QB who can’t carry games, a scheme that can’t adapt, and us fans arguing that efficiency means explosiveness. That’s not football innovation. Its finding a loophole, that seems like its closing. If we make the playoffs this year, we are going to have to play actual offfense."We”???
20 hours ago20 hr They can no longer lean on the Tush Push. Because the league has adjusted and their line is woefully injured, and or inconsistent.
20 hours ago20 hr I said on another thread, the Tush Push should be removed from the playbook. Run a normal QB sneak, or run a play off the TP formation, or better yet, hand the ball off to a 225 lb RB. Teams have obviously adjusted to it. And the OLine this season is arse. It's not working anymore, consistently. Let it die, like other "fad" Offensive plays, i.e, the Wildcat.
18 hours ago18 hr I think the refs have been told to carefully watch for false starts on the Tush Push. We have had guys move early which has cost us. It's especially troublesome near the goal line when the defense has nothing to lose by penalty and getting us to move costs us a big 5 yards.
18 hours ago18 hr On 12/12/2025 at 8:53 PM, time2rock said:Who’s "we”?!?!Unless you’re jumping ship??On 12/17/2025 at 11:32 AM, time2rock said:"We”???what's wrong with saying "We?" If you're a fan of a team, it's normal to think that way.
17 hours ago17 hr 1 hour ago, JohnB said:what's wrong with saying "We?" If you're a fan of a team, it's normal to think that way.Geemen … G-men … Giants fan.
2 hours ago2 hr On 12/12/2025 at 1:19 PM, Geemen said:Honest question here and I’m not trolling, just curious what others think. The Eagles have been elite in recent years, yeah...but how much of that is real offensive quality vs. just the tush push grind? Everyone knows the "tush push” is basically an automatic short-yardage cheat code at this point. t works so reliably it changes the whole math of the game and puts defenses in this weird position where they have to either let it happen or get physically dominated. But this season it hasn’t been the same. It’s getting stuffed more, the success rate is down, and suddenly… we’re not winning games the same way. Is this entire current iteration of the eagles just built around the tush push?You are partially right. The Eagles relied heavily on the tush push to move the chains. Mainly cause Hurts sucks at throwing the football. That was their way of compensating for that.
2 hours ago2 hr On 12/17/2025 at 12:38 PM, Geemen said:The tush push wasn’t just a play, it was the entire offensive philosophy. Remove it and you’re left with a QB who can’t carry games, a scheme that can’t adapt, and us fans arguing that efficiency means explosiveness. That’s not football innovation. Its finding a loophole, that seems like its closing. If we make the playoffs this year, we are going to have to play actual offfense.Yup. Imagine if this team didn't have the tush push. They don't make the SB in 22. Maybe even last year. This team leaned hard on the tush push to move the chains cause they weren't doing it other ways.
1 hour ago1 hr They definitely need to scrap the play. It's nowhere close to a sure thing anymore and the refs clearly have one hand on the flag now when they run it. I kinda don't think the league will need to ban it since they can just toss enough flags on it that the Eagles won't want to risk the penalty to run it and other teams are stopping it with increasing frequency when a flag is not thrown. Also if the Eagles are bounced early in the playoffs those screaming to ban it last year probably stop worrying about it.
44 minutes ago44 min 1 hour ago, GreenMachine said:They definitely need to scrap the play. It's nowhere close to a sure thing anymore and the refs clearly have one hand on the flag now when they run it. I kinda don't think the league will need to ban it since they can just toss enough flags on it that the Eagles won't want to risk the penalty to run it and other teams are stopping it with increasing frequency when a flag is not thrown. Also if the Eagles are bounced early in the playoffs those screaming to ban it last year probably stop worrying about it.The thing that's hurt the tush push the most, IMO, is we keep lining up trying to draw a penalty first. Just hustle up to the line and run it. Keep teams on their heels and keep the refs out of the equation.
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