5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

On top of that some of these OC options we might mention could be holding out their own hope of getting another HC job too. Frankly I don’t want those guys anyway. We need someone who will be around longer than a season…. Just not KP.

Exactly. KP has already proven to be a complete failure. No sense wasting yet another season with him.

And besides the coaches on staffs where the HC was fired, there were already other options available (Reich is a guy that I think would be like Fangio in that he had his HC stints and may not get another look as a HC again, at least not for a while, and could potentially be here a bit longer). Plus coaches from colleges, etc.

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Well we picked Moore up off the trash heap, didn't we?

With 7 (or is it 8 now) HCs having been fired, there should be plenty of coaches to potentially choose from.

There are plenty of recent failures to choose from.

I still don't know what Moore did here that was an improvement over Brian Johnson. Barkley was the big difference in 2024, not Moore. 2025 was about inconsistency and injuries on the O-line. Nobody is really calling for Stoutland's head. He is, after all, the run game coordinator too.

It really doesn't matter who the OC is next year. If the O-line doesn't perform much better, the offense will look exactly the same. There won't be sweeping changes in the playbook or play design. Hurts will still do what he always does. Then there's the lingering drama involving AJ Brown. His contract makes him hard to move, but he's unhappy and his mindset is not helping the team at all. Maybe he'll agree to a restructure so he can go to his magical happy place.

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

There are plenty of recent failures to choose from.

I still don't know what Moore did here that was an improvement over Brian Johnson. Barkley was the big difference in 2024, not Moore. 2025 was about inconsistency and injuries on the O-line. Nobody is really calling for Stoutland's head. He is, after all, the run game coordinator too.

It really doesn't matter who the OC is next year. If the O-line doesn't perform much better, the offense will look exactly the same. There won't be sweeping changes in the playbook or play design. Hurts will still do what he always does. Then there's the lingering drama involving AJ Brown. His contract makes him hard to move, but he's unhappy and his mindset is not helping the team at all. Maybe he'll agree to a restructure so he can go to his magical happy place.

Hey man if you want to stick with your guns with Patullo go right ahead. You'll be in the minority for sure.

1 minute ago, time2rock said:

Hey man if you want to stick with your guns with Patullo go right ahead. You'll be in the minority for sure.

I don't really care about Patullo. I just don't think the grass is always greener and I just don't see what another OC can do with what we had this year. There may be a disconnect with the players and the coaching staff that requires a departure / change. IDK. But I'm not seeing any names of "proven" guys that I believe would make a difference.

Maybe somebody like Josh McCown could come in and at least help the QB continue to grow, but how is he at play-calling? I believe he has the mentality to survive Philly, but is unproven as an OC.

On 1/5/2026 at 10:41 AM, EaglesAddict said:

The distinction of worst team in the playoffs is definitely Carolina. I would certainly have rather faced GB as the 2 seed too.

Eagles vs 49ers will be a game of strength vs weakness....their offense vs our defense (strengths of each team) and our offense vs their defense (weakness of each team). Can our defense hold their offense to, say, no more than 24 points? And if we do, can our offense score enough to win?

The best, probably most realistic path to the SB for us would be beating San Fran, going on the road to play Chicago, then back home to play the Rams. I just can't see GB winning in Seattle. The only good thing about a GB win would be a divisional game at home against the winner of the Rams/Panthers (i.e., the Rams). But that would almost 100% mean we'd have to travel to Seattle for the NFCCG if we made it that far.

You predicted it spot on. Our defense did their job and thr offense sold, lol

31 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't really care about Patullo. I just don't think the grass is always greener and I just don't see what another OC can do with what we had this year. There may be a disconnect with the players and the coaching staff that requires a departure / change. IDK. But I'm not seeing any names of "proven" guys that I believe would make a difference.

Maybe somebody like Josh McCown could come in and at least help the QB continue to grow, but how is he at play-calling? I believe he has the mentality to survive Philly, but is unproven as an OC.

Ultimately I think they need consistency at the OC position. I personally thought they should’ve kept Johnson, but they went with Moore. The passing offense wasn’t stellar under Moore either, but again I think this had to do with consistency. I believe this quarterback needs consistency at the OC position (more specifically with the play caller) and if that happens again I feel like the passing game will improve. Again arguable Jalen’s best season came when he had the same play caller for consecutive seasons. This wouldn’t be an issue if Nick Sirianni were better at calling plays. I think Johnson was better at this than Paulo, but KP was given a difficult hand with a struggling and injured offensive line.

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Ultimately I think they need consistency at the OC position. I personally thought they should’ve kept Johnson, but they went with Moore. The passing offense wasn’t stellar under Moore either, but again I think this had to do with consistency. I believe this quarterback needs consistency at the OC position (more specifically with the play caller) and if that happens again I feel like the passing game will improve. Again arguable Jalen’s best season came when he had the same play caller for consecutive seasons. This wouldn’t be an issue if Nick Sirianni were better at calling plays. I think Johnson was better at this than Paulo, but KP was given a difficult hand with a struggling and injured offensive line.

Not just consistency at the OC position but someone who can design the scheme around the strengths of the players he has at his disposal, which will mean the ability to adapt that scheme since players come and go (in much the same way Fangio did ... a little bumpy at first but he definitely righted the ship as the season progressed).

1 minute ago, time2rock said:

Not just consistency at the OC position but someone who can design the scheme around the strengths of the players he has at his disposal, which will mean the ability to adapt that scheme since players come and go (in much the same way Fangio did ... a little bumpy at first but he definitely righted the ship as the season progressed).

They might need to let someone come in here and have complete control over the offense. Be allowed to revamp things as they see fit. Let Nick worry about the motivational stuff and improving team discipline.

I just don't see any revamping happening as long as Jalen is the franchise QB. I am a Jalen Hurts fan, but less of one when he runs less. There are more prolific passers in the league and there are guys that take more chances in order to feed their star WRs. There are QBs with better vision that are also comfortable throwing in the middle of the field. Face it, when he is the complete Jalen Hurts that is a true dual threat, this offense, as simple as it is, can give defenses problems. But when you eliminate that (the running) and only do the passing concepts Hurts is comfortable with, everybody likens it to a HS offensive scheme. So if anybody really expects major changes in the offense with some new, shining star or some old, experienced, recycled has been, then I believe you have to also expect the Eagles to trade Jalen.

That's why I don't think we need a new OC as much as we need, perhaps, a QB coach that can help Jalen keep getting better at more things. Patullo was the passing game coordinator since 2021 --- through all those other OCs. This offense is based on a run-first philosophy. Our running game plummeted to 18th in yards and 23rd in yards per attempt after being at or near the top in at least one of those categories the previous 4 seasons. As I pointed out, nobody is calling for Stoutland's (the run game coordinator) head --- because it would be ridiculous. But that inability to run anything close to the previous 4 seasons' level impacted the passing game since we run first and people want KPs head on a stake.

I agree with EasyEaglez that firing Brian Johnson after just one season was probably jumping the gun. We're all happy that 2024 worked out, but our offensive rankings were exactly the same in 2023 and 2024. A lot of people wanted Steichen fired after his first season and some weren't all that upset to see him go after his 2nd. I'm not 100% convinced we need a new OC, but a consultant could work out (or it could backfire like Patricia).

Jalent Hurts not running was only an issue because our run game was horrific. When you have guys like Tank and Barkley in the backfield, Jalen shouldnt need to run much at all. That's really why this offense was so terrible this year. That and us forcing the ball to AJ due to his complaining.

I do think that we need to scheme ways to get guys like AJ and Smitty the ball more, but im fine with Hurts not running as much as before.

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

Jalent Hurts not running was only an issue because our run game was horrific. When you have guys like Tank and Barkley in the backfield, Jalen shouldnt need to run much at all. That's really why this offense was so terrible this year. That and us forcing the ball to AJ due to his complaining.

I do think that we need to scheme ways to get guys like AJ and Smitty the ball more, but im fine with Hurts not running as much as before.

Jalen may be the best read option QB I've ever seen. But he hasn't been utilizing his legs as a weapon and that play has become so ineffective that we rarely even call it. Unfortunately, it's a key element to the Jalen Hurts offense this team runs. So when it is removed, a somewhat predictable offense becomes even more predictable.

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Jalen may be the best read option QB I've ever seen. But he hasn't been utilizing his legs as a weapon and that play has become so ineffective that we rarely even call it. Unfortunately, it's a key element to the Jalen Hurts offense this team runs. So when it is removed, a somewhat predictable offense becomes even more predictable.

Plenty of reports out that Jalen is the one that wanted to limit the running and be a drop back passer.

Just now, Lambo said:

Plenty of reports out that Jalen is the one that wanted to limit the running and be a drop back passer.

Going the McNabb route.

If true that’s a shame. That’s a large part of what makes him special. Without that element he’s merely average (at best).

4 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Going the McNabb route.

If true that’s a shame. That’s a large part of what makes him special. Without that element he’s merely average (at best).

I heard something on WIP on my way to work that they are calling him baby Jordan in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

32 minutes ago, Lambo said:

I heard something on WIP on my way to work that they are calling him baby Jordan in the locker room, and it is not a compliment.

If all of that is true, then what we saw this season and in that playoff loss then it seems likely a downslide seems inevitable and we are at the very beginning of it (despite the fact that this team is loaded with talent). And it may require more drastic changes than just replacing Patullo. 2026 is going to be very telling.

On 1/12/2026 at 8:38 AM, time2rock said:

Exactly. KP has already proven to be a complete failure. No sense wasting yet another season with him.

And besides the coaches on staffs where the HC was fired, there were already other options available (Reich is a guy that I think would be like Fangio in that he had his HC stints and may not get another look as a HC again, at least not for a while, and could potentially be here a bit longer). Plus coaches from colleges, etc.

Isn't Reich 65 or close to it? I doubt he'd get any interest as a head coach.

12 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Isn't Reich 65 or close to it? I doubt he'd get any interest as a head coach.

Yes close (64). And that is exactly I saw in the post you quoted ... that it may be some time before he'd possibly get another look at HC (if at all).

What does "baby Jordan" mean? I'm not following that.

We lost to a team that is getting absolutely dog walked

42 minutes ago, b_west3 said:

We lost to a team that is getting absolutely dog walked

Unlike Seattle we let our foot off the gas when we were up.

14 hours ago, b_west3 said:

We lost to a team that is getting absolutely dog walked

I was never a believer that we'd get back to the Super Bowl, let alone win it again. BUT, we should have EASILY handled SF in that playoff game.

I think the Bears would have probably beaten us. If not, then the Seahawks would have boat raced us. We probably wouldn't even have scored a TD against their D.

First and foremost it is difficult to go back to back in the NFL. So much so the only team to even be back to back division winners this season was the Eagles. The irony of how far the Lions fell and everyone acts like that coach and quarterback are the greatest thing since sliced bread. A playoff season every year, and Sirianni has (as well as Jalen Hurts for that matter) has four consecutive double digit winning seasons of 11 or more games. Did the season end how we wanted it to? No it didn’t, but the overreactions are kind of out of pocket. Is there work that needs to be done? Absolutely, but we also knew there was potential for this team to take a step back from the talent they had to let go to, to the late offseason surgeries some players had to endure. The rumors of the Eagles demise are greatly exaggerated though. Yeah the team has to get back into the lab and improve. That includes Howie, because he didn’t have the greatest offseason in his own right, but we were thinking he’s prepping to give some of these defenders the contracts they deserve as such some players had to be let go. Still a lot of those offseason moves failed to pan out. Hopefully they bring in the right OC, sign strategically good free agents, make another solid draft, and run it back again with a healthier roster… and maybe a few less malcontents.

25 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

First and foremost it is difficult to go back to back in the NFL. So much so the only team to even be back to back division winners this season was the Eagles. The irony of how far the Lions fell and everyone acts like that coach and quarterback are the greatest thing since sliced bread. A playoff season every year, and Sirianni has (as well as Jalen Hurts for that matter) has four consecutive double digit winning seasons of 11 or more games. Did the season end how we wanted it to? No it didn’t, but the overreactions are kind of out of pocket. Is there work that needs to be done? Absolutely, but we also knew there was potential for this team to take a step back from the talent they had to let go to, to the late offseason surgeries some players had to endure. The rumors of the Eagles demise are greatly exaggerated though. Yeah the team has to get back into the lab and improve. That includes Howie, because he didn’t have the greatest offseason in his own right, but we were thinking he’s prepping to give some of these defenders the contracts they deserve as such some players had to be let go. Still a lot of those offseason moves failed to pan out. Hopefully they bring in the right OC, sign strategically good free agents, make another solid draft, and run it back again with a healthier roster… and maybe a few less malcontents.

You are definitely not wrong with any of that. And even with the talent we had to let go, that was primarily on defense (notable exception = Becton) and even then, our defense was carrying us most of the season. I've been critical of Sirianni's foolish decision to hand the keys to the offense to a completely unqualified coach who never called plays at this level (at any level) and honestly mentioned at the time it was announced Patullo was being promoted to OC I said we are likely throwing away a golden opportunity to repeat. And obviously that is how it played out unfortunately. But I have also acknowledged the injuries in particular to 3 of the 5 starting OL playing a huge role in the offense not being able to sustain any success (winning starts in the trenches and we clearly were not winning up front on offense). So I do wonder had Moore still been here or we had hired an equally qualified OC if this season still would have ended in the same manner (i.e. no championship). Could a better, more creative offensive mind have been able to design a game plan that would have minimized the weaknesses (the OL not being able to hold blocks or open gaps in the running game, around the supposed things that Hurts can't do well, etc.)? Maybe ... but certainly not definitely.

First and foremost it is difficult to go back to back in the NFL. So much so the only team to even be back to back division winners this season was the Eagles. The irony of how far the Lions fell and everyone acts like that coach and quarterback are the greatest thing since sliced bread. A playoff season every year, and Sirianni has (as well as Jalen Hurts for that matter) has four consecutive double digit winning seasons of 11 or more games. Did the season end how we wanted it to? No it didn’t, but the overreactions are kind of out of pocket. Is there work that needs to be done? Absolutely, but we also knew there was potential for this team to take a step back from the talent they had to let go to, to the late offseason surgeries some players had to endure. The rumors of the Eagles demise are greatly exaggerated though. Yeah the team has to get back into the lab and improve. That includes Howie, because he didn’t have the greatest offseason in his own right, but we were thinking he’s prepping to give some of these defenders the contracts they deserve as such some players had to be let go. Still a lot of those offseason moves failed to pan out. Hopefully they bring in the right OC, sign strategically good free agents, make another solid draft, and run it back again with a healthier roster… and maybe a few less malcontents.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

You are definitely not wrong with any of that. And even with the talent we had to let go, that was primarily on defense (notable exception = Becton) and even then, our defense was carrying us most of the season. I've been critical of Sirianni's foolish decision to hand the keys to the offense to a completely unqualified coach who never called plays at this level (at any level) and honestly mentioned at the time it was announced Patullo was being promoted to OC I said we are likely throwing away a golden opportunity to repeat. And obviously that is how it played out unfortunately. But I have also acknowledged the injuries in particular to 3 of the 5 starting OL playing a huge role in the offense not being able to sustain any success (winning starts in the trenches and we clearly were not winning up front on offense). So I do wonder had Moore still been here or we had hired an equally qualified OC if this season still would have ended in the same manner (i.e. no championship). Could a better, more creative offensive mind have been able to design a game plan that would have minimized the weaknesses (the OL not being able to hold blocks or open gaps in the running game, around the supposed things that Hurts can't do well, etc.)? Maybe ... but certainly not definitely.

This season really was a lot to overcome. Even in the 49ers game this team played undisciplined football and got more penalties (including pre snap penalties) than the 49ers at home. The missed blocks, poor execution, drops, and dead offense for entire halves of football seems bigger than just the OC too. Sirianni frankly didn’t have his team ready to play complete games of football. On top of that he had to put his hands in the offense, because Patullo was in over his head so it took away from Nick’s normal roles as head coach. On top of that the Eagles schedule was crap. How does the reigning SB champs get no back to back home games? The entire offseason was basically about the league screwing over the Eagles. Despite all of the craziness of this season, they still walked away with 11 wins. It starts with rebuilding this offensive line, but I don’t see this idea that some have of everything being over.