What does he do? He wins football games at a historic rate. Even in this very frustrating season we won 11 games with a brutal schedule. He's not free of blame by any means, but he's made the playoffs every year, had a crazy carousel of coordinators, and made the Super Bowl in 40% of his seasons. You don't do that if you are just some scrub.

21 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

This. Everyone seems to forget this part. When Moore left after the SB, who were the Eagles going to bring in from the outside at that point to be OC? KP made sense given the situation at that time.

As far Nick being fired...I highly doubt Howie and Lurie will fire him outright UNLESS they demand he fire KP and Siri balks at that...i.e., the whole Pederson thing all over again. Siri might do that too because if he is given that ultimatum, it will basically be the same ultimatum in 2 of the last 3 years and now he has a SB on his resume. If Siri decides to be loyal to his pal KP vs. being realistic about what happened this year, then he deserves to go too.

The worst thing about all this is that it does feel like this team's prime is being wasted with Sirianni.

I have a hard time believing the Nick will sacrifice himself for the sake of this OC, but it’s all a domino effect. We need a new OC every season, and because Nick doesn’t call plays effectively it affects the team as a whole. Every year a new face makes this team struggle. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Jalen’s best season as an Eagle came when he had the same OC in back to back seasons. I should just say play caller. So this issue is effecting the highly paid offense and and the quarterback. As soon as the defense got a steady veteran voice everything changed. The offense needs the same thing, and this game clearly shows how good scheme can beat talent. Nick is coaching like Barry Switzer did. Just rely on the talent and assume it will just work. The lack of discipline and the penalties are 100% on Nick. He needs to do better.

I believe Lurie and Howie will sit down with Nick..basically tell him Kevin needs to go and see what push back Nick gives. They will not let him make the OC hire again

as it has failed miserably twice. If Nick wants to die on Kevin's sword then so be it, we've been here before. No HC has been given the talent that Nick has been given over his

tenure so it really falls on Nick. My opinion is Nick agrees to that and I'm only hoping Vic still wants to stay and not ride off into sunset.

28 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

This. Everyone seems to forget this part. When Moore left after the SB, who were the Eagles going to bring in from the outside at that point to be OC? KP made sense given the situation at that time.

Get creative. Try something else. Don’t hire from within because they’ve done that before and it simply doesn’t work out. The options may not have been good after the SB but there would have been better options than KP.

But look that ignores the bigger issue… And that is this offense will continue to look largely like this whilst Sirianni is here.

No. We could have lost 45-0 Siri not going anywhere

11 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Get creative. Try something else. Don’t hire from within because they’ve done that before and it simply doesn’t work out. The options may not have been good after the SB but there would have been better options than KP.

But look that ignores the bigger issue… And that is this offense will continue to look largely like this whilst Sirianni is here.

That's the main issue...Sirianni's offense is definitely a problem and can only seem to work as long as he has superstars at all 11 starting positions.

9 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

That's the main issue...Sirianni's offense is definitely a problem and can only seem to work as long as he has superstars at all 11 starting positions.

Which 1) over the next year or two that isn’t going to be the case on offense anymore and 2) it leaves us in the never ending cycle whilst he’s the HC.

To be honest the more I think about it the more I am 100% sure Sirianni just has to go. And I know I’m probably in the minority there but honestly he is a problem.

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Which 1) over the next year or two that isn’t going to be the case on offense anymore and 2) it leaves us in the never ending cycle whilst he’s the HC.

To be honest the more I think about it the more I am 100% sure Sirianni just has to go. And I know I’m probably in the minority there but honestly he is a problem.

I agree with you. Nick is an idiot. He's smart enough to know how limited his intellect and intelligence is so he works hard to get along with others. He's great at getting people to like him and to tell them what they want to hear. But his football knowledge is that of a sub par high school coach. He just doesn't know anything. Hard to believe he got as far as he did. He has no business coaching at any level in the NFL. He'll leave a wealthy man so he's had an amazingly successful life and achieved far more than he should have because he's an absolute idiot when it comes to football

1 minute ago, weko said:

I agree with you. Nick is an idiot. He's smart enough to know how limited his intellect and intelligence is so he works hard to get along with others. He's great at getting people to like him and to tell them what they want to hear. But his football knowledge is that of a sub par high school coach. He just doesn't know anything. Hard to believe he got as far as he did. He has no business coaching at any level in the NFL. He'll leave a wealthy man so he's had an amazingly successful life and achieved far more than he should have because he's an absolute idiot when it comes to football

Sirianni was what this organisation needed. We needed to build a good culture after things soured once Doug left. Sirianni has done a good job so I know it sounds crazy to say he should do. But he isn’t a good offensive minded coach. He isn’t able to develop and run a good consistent scheme. His offense is predicated on winning individual battles and not turning the ball over. This offense has operated with the handbrake on for 5 years now. That’s despite having one of the best OLs in the NFL over that time. Having a top 5/10 TE. One of the best WR duos in the league and a good run game (with now arguably one of the top 3 RBs in the league). OCs have come and gone, some have had better success than others but every single one has been limited. Every single one has had an offense that ranks below average. And who is the common denominator?

8 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

You are the bravest person I know.

Everyone knows Siri has some serious limitations but you can’t argue with his success. He just can’t be the guy to hire a new OC. If he tries to pull a power play, you fire him like Doug.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Sirianni was what this organisation needed. We needed to build a good culture after things soured once Doug left. Sirianni has done a good job so I know it sounds crazy to say he should do. But he isn’t a good offensive minded coach. He isn’t able to develop and run a good consistent scheme. His offense is predicated on winning individual battles and not turning the ball over. This offense has operated with the handbrake on for 5 years now. That’s despite having one of the best OLs in the NFL over that time. Having a top 5/10 TE. One of the best WR duos in the league and a good run game (with now arguably one of the top 3 RBs in the league). OCs have come and gone, some have had better success than others but every single one has been limited. Every single one has had an offense that ranks below average. And who is the common denominator?

Nick is where he is beacuase of relationships not ability. So he's going to hire people looking thru that prism. His butt buddy has been with him for many years. A position coach makes a good salary but can only save a modest amount of money. A coordinator gets a 7 firgure annual salary guaranteed over 3-4 years. KP can save and invest maybe 2-3 mil of that. That is wealth that changes one's life and that of his family. If you live modestly but comfortably it is walk away money if well invested. Nick gave that to his friend because he is a Dilbert guy who got his opportunity the same way. They are both high school level coaches. I don't know what Lurie was thinking allowing KP to run the offense. He wasn't paying attention. Maybe the worst decision of his ownership to blow this year in our closing window. Something Jerry Jones would do

10 hours ago, judunno said:

Underachieved after losing all of those players and coaches after winning the Superbowl with one of the toughest schedules in the league? Talk about a spoiled fanbase.

All those players? The offense is exactly the same as it was last year minus one offensive lineman...2 after Johnson's injury. They have the most talented roster in the NFL.

We assembled an all star group of talent to be coached by keystone cops. 😂

5 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

This. Everyone seems to forget this part. When Moore left after the SB, who were the Eagles going to bring in from the outside at that point to be OC? KP made sense given the situation at that time.

KP never called plays. Siri never called plays as an OC prior to Philly, and in his limited time calling plays here he was terrible and fans hated it, wanted him gone. He handed the play calling to Steichen and they performed.

So the 2 coaches running the offense did not have experience calling plays. Recipe for failure.

Who was available? They knew Moore was being considered and it was talked about for weeks. Every team should always be aware of upcoming coaching candidates. Who are some QB coaches around the league who have prior play calling experience - even at the collegiate level - who might be ready for a promotion? Look at college OCs who have experience designing and calling plays and can run an offense. Look at former coaches.

Even so, fine you promote Patullo because you think he's ready. When it was obvious he wasn't, then do something about it. Loefler had play calling experience in college, give him a try? Bring in a consultant? Do something. If Siri has any offensive skills in coaching, then coach up Patullo. Do something.

The CEO head coach is going to come to a head eventually with the actual Owner, CEO and GM of the team. Sooner rather than later, the lack of consistency or continuity in the offense will force the FO to hire a coach who calls plays, at least an OC. When they fall short for a season, it is unusual. But this season was death by 1K cuts. If Nick is all about accountability, he should have been learning how to get a feel for play calling. He's had enough time and experience. Time to put all that confidence in yourself Nick. Adapt or move on.

0 chance. Now Lure and Howie may pull him aside an tell him what's what

27 minutes ago, NOTW said:

KP never called plays. Siri never called plays as an OC prior to Philly, and in his limited time calling plays here he was terrible and fans hated it, wanted him gone. He handed the play calling to Steichen and they performed.

So the 2 coaches running the offense did not have experience calling plays. Recipe for failure.

Who was available? They knew Moore was being considered and it was talked about for weeks. Every team should always be aware of upcoming coaching candidates. Who are some QB coaches around the league who have prior play calling experience - even at the collegiate level - who might be ready for a promotion? Look at college OCs who have experience designing and calling plays and can run an offense. Look at former coaches.

Even so, fine you promote Patullo because you think he's ready. When it was obvious he wasn't, then do something about it. Loefler had play calling experience in college, give him a try? Bring in a consultant? Do something. If Siri has any offensive skills in coaching, then coach up Patullo. Do something.

I don't disagree...but thinking about this in the time frame of when that decision had to be made, I think some of us wanted Frank Reich. But other than him, there were really no compelling candidates and Sirianni earned the benefit of the doubt given that they just won a SB. Would be really hard for Howie/Lurie to tell Sirianni "no, you can't hire KP" right after they just won a Super Bowl.

But yeah, during the season, nothing was done to help rectify a glaring problem. But maybe the glaring problem is ultimately Sirianni's overarching philosophy on offense, so unless they were willing to completely revamp the offense mid-season, not much they could do.

No he will not and should not be. Remember Eagles were just the year after their SB run..if you fire a coach because his team did not repeat nobody will want to work for you after.

That said there is not a one scenario where i see KP staying

Yes.. The glaring coaching incompetence can't be ignored. Siri and Patullo are the laughing stock of the NFL right now. Team needs an offensive minded coach. Not a cheerleader.

6 hours ago, Breeze 44 said:

I believe Lurie and Howie will sit down with Nick..basically tell him Kevin needs to go and see what push back Nick gives. They will not let him make the OC hire again

as it has failed miserably twice. If Nick wants to die on Kevin's sword then so be it, we've been here before. No HC has been given the talent that Nick has been given over his

tenure so it really falls on Nick. My opinion is Nick agrees to that and I'm only hoping Vic still wants to stay and not ride off into sunset.

Please let this happen

7 hours ago, Breeze 44 said:

I believe Lurie and Howie will sit down with Nick..basically tell him Kevin needs to go and see what push back Nick gives. They will not let him make the OC hire again

as it has failed miserably twice. If Nick wants to die on Kevin's sword then so be it, we've been here before. No HC has been given the talent that Nick has been given over his

tenure so it really falls on Nick. My opinion is Nick agrees to that and I'm only hoping Vic still wants to stay and not ride off into sunset.

Exactly what I think will happen too. Sirianni is given the ultimatum to fire Patullo. If he refuses to do so it could be Pederson/Groh all over again where they are both let go because the HC refused to fire the incompetent OC. And like you I also think Sirianni won't rock the boat like Doug did and will do what he is told. But if he doesn't agree to that, that is the only way I see Sirianni getting fired.

5 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Exactly what I think will happen too. Sirianni is given the ultimatum to fire Patullo. If he refuses to do so it could be Pederson/Groh all over again where they are both let go because the HC refused to fire the incompetent OC. And like you I also think Sirianni won't rock the boat like Doug did and will do what he is told.

100%. Sirianni is a childish yes man.

Just for the sake of argument: is there a scenario where Siri has ego, wants to keep Patullo and thinks he's earned it as a SB winning head coach...and is willing to risk being fired because he would be collecting his contract money for nothing? And expect that he would become a hot head coaching candidate either this year or next?

13 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think there’s any chance Nick gets fired, but he did make the call to rest the starters and it cost them the 2nd seed. Not that it mattered since they lost in the first round regardless, but they had a better chance of beating the Packers. With that being the case it seems like all in the playoffs I watched a lot of teams just scheme guys open and consistent offensive flow. This team is offensively choppy. The offense needs new eyes and it’s very likely Howie and Jeff impose a new OC.

there is no reason in the world why we should have lost to t he 49ers. They were banged up. They were without some key players and they really got rattled the week before against Seattle. My point is I don't think we would have fared much better against the Packers.

18 hours ago, judunno said:

Underachieved after losing all of those players and coaches after winning the Superbowl with one of the toughest schedules in the league? Talk about a spoiled fanbase.

On Eagles fans being spoiled: I disagree, to a point.

After the 1st SB win they tried to repeat with aging veterans, it wasn't sustainable. 2017 was a combination of factors that wasn't going to be replicated. The expectations weren't as high, especially since it was the first SB win in the SB era. They drafted poorly and didn't have good replacements. Bad drafting on defense, busts like Reagor and JJAW. They learned from it.

This time around, Howie has drafted great since 2021 and actually built a championship defense mostly from the draft. Something we always dreamed of! They got a great DC in Vic Fangio. They have young stud players on defense. The core will be good for a long time. They are drafting good Linebackers, even a 1st round LB for the first time since 1970. The offense returned 10 of 11 starters. The state of the league made it wide open for them to win more games, get the #1 seed, and repeat as SB champs.

They didn't need a genius OC. A decent, competent OC would have had this offense performing.

The part I do agree with is expecting a SB win every year. It's hard to repeat. Many teams fans would love to be in the playoffs 5 years in a row and go to 2 SBs, winning 1. However, the way this played out was bad.

I wouldn't mind if they had a good OC and played well and teams just beat them. But the incompetence and negligence from the coaching on offense is inexcusable.