Assume for a minute Lurie and Roseman realize they have Fangio locked in and need innovation and stability on offense and realize they can't get it with Sirianni as HC. Who are the best offensive HC options who can deliver that as playcaller and offensive mind and pair with Fangio for experience and to run the D?

Stefanski?
LeFleur if he gets fired?
Clint Kubiak?
Mike McDaniels?

Who else?

I don't want McDaniels and don't love LeFleur. My first choice might be Clint Kubiak or maybe Stefanski? what other options are out there?

They need to force Nick to hire or interview OC with extensive experience calling plays. Also they aren't promoting from within. If it is one who has HC experience, so be it. Nick needs to feel the heat.

11 minutes ago, proveagle said:

Assume for a minute Lurie and Roseman realize they have Fangio locked in and need innovation and stability on offense and realize they can't get it with Sirianni as HC. Who are the best offensive HC options who can deliver that as playcaller and offensive mind and pair with Fangio for experience and to run the D?

Stefanski?
LeFleur if he gets fired?
Clint Kubiak?
Mike McDaniels?

Who else?

I don't want McDaniels and don't love LeFleur. My first choice might be Clint Kubiak or maybe Stefanski? what other options are out there?

I agree about McDaniels, I think he’s a clown.

Reich has experience with both the Eagles organization and Siri. Daboll has experience coaching Hurts at Alabama and did a great job with Josh Allen. I wouldn’t mind either, would love to have both.

6 minutes ago, seengreen said:

They need to force Nick to hire or interview OC with extensive experience calling plays. Also they aren't promoting from within. If it is one who has HC experience, so be it. Nick needs to feel the heat.

Maybe I am just down but if I am Lurie I just don't think I can get an offensive guy to take the OC job with Sirianni meddling and wanting the identity to be what it has been. Even Kellen Moore looked somewhat hamstrung compared to what I had seen him do before. And if you do get someone really good they will get poached in a year.

I am a data driven guy and I want to isolate factors. I want to isolate out everything but Jalen Hurts at this point. Build an innovative offense with him at the helm that accentuates his strengths and feeds the ball to playmakers in space. If he doesn't want to run it or can't run it then I am moving on. But I have seen enough of him throwing the ball and being under center to believe he can run a shanahan/mcvay style offense. It is so QB friendly and benefits so much from a QB with his mobility.

4 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

I agree about McDaniels, I think he’s a clown.

Reich has experience with both the Eagles organization and Siri. Daboll has experience coaching Hurts at Alabama and did a great job with Josh Allen. I wouldn’t mind either, would love to have both.

I am not a Reich fan at all. I don't see any innovation there and I don't want anyone too connected with Sirianni. Daboll could be interesting as OC but I don't want him as a HC with offensive mind. As OC he does have a Hurts connection and did OK with Josh Allen but he also had some really bad offensive teams.

8 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

I agree about McDaniels, I think he’s a clown.

Reich has experience with both the Eagles organization and Siri. Daboll has experience coaching Hurts at Alabama and did a great job with Josh Allen. I wouldn’t mind either, would love to have both.

Daboll's purple patch with Josh Allen was down to Stefon Diggs, outside those two years his offenses have stunk, look at what Steichen managed to get out of Daniel Jones who got worse every year he was with Daboll.

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Daboll's purple patch with Josh Allen was down to Stefon Diggs, outside those two years his offenses have stunk, look at what Steichen managed to get out of Daniel Jones who got worse every year he was with Daboll.

Sirianni and a 2026 2nd for Steichen!!

Kingsbury maybe?

2 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Kingsbury maybe?

You know who Kingsbury's assistant OC passing game was?

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

You know who Kingsbury's assistant OC passing game was?

Blough was the OC I think? Was it someone else?

6 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Blough was the OC I think? Was it someone else?

Assistant OC passing game in Washington is Brian Johnson.

6 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Assistant OC passing game in Washington is Brian Johnson.

Oh....nevermind.

12 hours ago, seengreen said:

They need to force Nick to hire or interview OC with extensive experience calling plays. Also they aren't promoting from within. If it is one who has HC experience, so be it. Nick needs to feel the heat.

That isn’t the answer it really isn’t. It might yield slightly better results but I can almost guarantee it’ll result in an offense that’s about average in the league. They have to go a completely different way if they want to change this offense.

If it comes down to finding a new OC only, I can't imagine any of the top guys will be interested if they have to work under the Sirianni philosophical umbrella. If they hire an OC and tell him his has carte blanche to run the offense, that will demean Sirianni even more than when they hired Moore. Moore worked within Sirianni's offense and made the best of it. To replicate that, they will have to look at the 2nd tier of OC's or potential under the radar type guys.

8 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

If it comes down to finding a new OC only, I can't imagine any of the top guys will be interested if they have to work under the Sirianni philosophical umbrella. If they hire an OC and tell him his has carte blanche to run the offense, that will demean Sirianni even more than when they hired Moore. Moore worked within Sirianni's offense and made the best of it. To replicate that, they will have to look at the 2nd tier of OC's or potential under the radar type guys.

Moore got peak O Line and Saquon, that's the only difference last year to this, the idea he's some sort of offensive genius is over played, his play calling last year was as frustrating as Patullo's a lot of the year.

18 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Moore got peak O Line and Saquon, that's the only difference last year to this, the idea he's some sort of offensive genius is over played, his play calling last year was as frustrating as Patullo's a lot of the year.

Not sure anyone thought Moore was an offensive genius. Most of us knew he was operating within Siri's offense. He did get the benefit of the peak OL and Barkley but I'm sure he brought more to the table than did KP. Moore's play calling wasn't too good until they switched to the run dominant approach after their early bye week. But ultimately Moore > KP. KP offers absolutely ZERO...much like Sirianni when it comes to scheme and design.

Maybe we go batshit crazy and sign Phillip Rivers as OC

4 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

Oh....nevermind.

Kingsbury also said of Brian Johnson, "he’s one of the smartest offensive minds I’ve been around”.

That’s enough to scare me away.

8 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Kingsbury also said of Brian Johnson, "he’s one of the smartest offensive minds I’ve been around”.

That’s enough to scare me away.

Fair enough. I didn't know he was there and...liked.

Why Lurie and Howie allow Siri to have any power is beyond me. Siri is nothing more than a rah rah speech giver. He hurts the offense. He is no help to the defense. He doesn't help special teams. What value does he really bring? None.

On 1/11/2026 at 5:50 PM, proveagle said:

Maybe I am just down but if I am Lurie I just don't think I can get an offensive guy to take the OC job with Sirianni meddling and wanting the identity to be what it has been. Even Kellen Moore looked somewhat hamstrung compared to what I had seen him do before. And if you do get someone really good they will get poached in a year.

I am a data driven guy and I want to isolate factors. I want to isolate out everything but Jalen Hurts at this point. Build an innovative offense with him at the helm that accentuates his strengths and feeds the ball to playmakers in space. If he doesn't want to run it or can't run it then I am moving on. But I have seen enough of him throwing the ball and being under center to believe he can run a shanahan/mcvay style offense. It is so QB friendly and benefits so much from a QB with his mobility.

you do understand some of what hamstrung Moore was Hurts, not Sirianni, right?

This is what I would be thrilled with:

Frank Reich - Asst Head Coach

Brian Daboll - Offensive Coordinator

Reich can work on game planning and work the sidelines.

Daboll can call plays from the booth.

13 hours ago, JohnB said:

you do understand some of what hamstrung Moore was Hurts, not Sirianni, right?

By what source do you know this to be the case? Show me. I am opened minded but my argument is we don't know. And in absence of that IMO its the coaches fault. Buck stops there.

If it was Hurts either they coach him through it and grow him to elevate his game or they find out his limits and don't pay him as a franchise QB. I don't see the coaching to grow him. I see plenty of times they run the plays we should be seeing and he executes them showing me he can do them. Then those plays disappear like the Fing do do bird and never are seen again. They had a couple games this year the under center game was rocking and they did PA and it looked good with alot of potential and I thought they were finding their identity. Then poof...gone. Back to hitches and IZ shotgun BS again. That is not Hurts.

I think what Hurts is most guilty of is not demanding more and pushing back more. I think he may be too passive and doing what he is asked rather than dictating. Seemed that way in the 4th down 4 verts last play on Sunday. Foles seemed to think that in his video. Hurts isnt perfect but the identity of the team is coming from Sirianni. And the OC and playcaller was Patullo. The identity of the offense under Moore was still Sirianni. Moore did the playcalling and added a few motion wrinkles and helped improve the complete lack of hot routes. You think Hurts didn't want hot routes? What kind of scheme doesn't handle the blitz with hot routes? The biggest different between Moore and Patullo is Moore could adjust at halftime and sequence playcalls.

Anyways. Ranting. I agree it could but Hurts I am just annoying the coaching isn't solving it in the methodical way I would expect. Its embarrassingly bad going into year 6. Alot of that is to due with the OC turnover. No consistency. Consistently stuck with the scheme Sirianni started with.

6 hours ago, proveagle said:

By what source do you know this to be the case? Show me. I am opened minded but my argument is we don't know. And in absence of that IMO its the coaches fault. Buck stops there.

If it was Hurts either they coach him through it and grow him to elevate his game or they find out his limits and don't pay him as a franchise QB. I don't see the coaching to grow him. I see plenty of times they run the plays we should be seeing and he executes them showing me he can do them. Then those plays disappear like the Fing do do bird and never are seen again. They had a couple games this year the under center game was rocking and they did PA and it looked good with alot of potential and I thought they were finding their identity. Then poof...gone. Back to hitches and IZ shotgun BS again. That is not Hurts.

I think what Hurts is most guilty of is not demanding more and pushing back more. I think he may be too passive and doing what he is asked rather than dictating. Seemed that way in the 4th down 4 verts last play on Sunday. Foles seemed to think that in his video. Hurts isnt perfect but the identity of the team is coming from Sirianni. And the OC and playcaller was Patullo. The identity of the offense under Moore was still Sirianni. Moore did the playcalling and added a few motion wrinkles and helped improve the complete lack of hot routes. You think Hurts didn't want hot routes? What kind of scheme doesn't handle the blitz with hot routes? The biggest different between Moore and Patullo is Moore could adjust at halftime and sequence playcalls.

Anyways. Ranting. I agree it could but Hurts I am just annoying the coaching isn't solving it in the methodical way I would expect. Its embarrassingly bad going into year 6. Alot of that is to due with the OC turnover. No consistency. Consistently stuck with the scheme Sirianni started with.

I like your points, but I just can't sit here and say that Hurts is without limitations based on his entire body of work. At the same time, I put more of this year's problems on coaching for sure. As with many things, there are multiple reasons why this year's offense looked like dog shite...degraded OL play, not using Hurts as a legit running threat, self-inflicted wounds with penalties, AJ Brown checking out mentally, and a completely inept offensive scheme and play-calling sequencing.

But there's nothing I've seen from Hurts that has shown me he can be a consistent threat in the passing game and take advantage of defensive coverage. He's just not that kind of QB. If you were to take away his running threat, what are we left with? I don't think he processes well, he bails the pocket early too much, his accuracy overall is average, and his decision-making is suspect at times. Sirianni and KP (and Moore last year) seem to believe the offensive scheme has to be very basic...why would they think that if they aren't doing that based on either Hurts' feedback to them or based on what they think he can actually do?

All that said, can he be better with that stuff? Will a new OC be able to challenge him to get better? And ultimately that's what's needed...an outside OC with previous experience and success that has the confidence to challenge Hurts to be better. Sirianni and KP are, perhaps, enablers in the sense that they don't push Hurts like he needs to be pushed.

1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said:

but I just can't sit here and say that Hurts is without limitations based on his entire body of work. At the same time, I put more of this year's problems on coaching for sure.

Spot on bud, couldn’t agree more. Hurts is definitely limited and that’s something we have to factor in. His best asset is that he’s dual threat. Well this year for some reason he didn’t run anywhere near as much and as he ages his mobility is going to decline.

But there’s no doubt this offense regressed and that’s a lot of the coaches. It’s also on the players, the wear down we saw on the OL and I think with Saquon. The execution wasn’t good enough (that is on both the players and the coaches). But there’s no doubt the scheme and the play calling was not good enough and something had to change.