Sirianni is not useless. He is a great motivator and get the team ready to play (most of the time) which is something big

Bottom line is he wins a lot of football games. Perhaps we would like to see a little more playoff consistency though. It’s either a SB appearance or a first round bounce. Pretty successful overall though.

23 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Bottom line is he wins a lot of football games. Perhaps we would like to see a little more playoff consistency though. It’s either a SB appearance or a first round bounce. Pretty successful overall though.

I'll take a 1st round exit every other year if it means the other year is a super bowl appearance lol

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'll take a 1st round exit every other year if it means the other year is a super bowl appearance lol

That’s how I feel about the coach and the quarterback. 😂

7 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'll take a 1st round exit every other year if it means the other year is a super bowl appearance lol

A dynasty that never repeats. Just win every other year. Sign me up!

This question is ridiculous - here are two reasons why:

Two CEO coaches are in the Superbowl after beating teams whose head coaches called plays.

Harbaugh CEO coach - Tomlin CEO coach

20 minutes ago, Rob331 said:

This question is ridiculous - here are two reasons why:

Two CEO coaches are in the Superbowl after beating teams whose head coaches called plays.

Harbaugh CEO coach - Tomlin CEO coach

Maybe you said this weird but not following the way you said it? Both CEO coaches are no longer coaching the teams they were CEO coaches of after losing in playoffs this year?

My Two cents: Sirianni is a good culture guy. Good at connecting with players and people in general. Relationships matter and trust matters.
CEO coaches can win games and win SBs.

That being said, I think its harder to consistently be at the top when the HC isn't also ideally an offensive mind that can call plays well to keep the consistency there for the QB and offense. So much player and coaching turnover so its just easier.

If not on offense then on defense. But at least one side of the ball to have that consistency is a real edge.

The best coaches have it all. Good on culture and relationships but also can be OC / DC at high level.

20 hours ago, proveagle said:

Maybe you said this weird but not following the way you said it? Both CEO coaches are no longer coaching the teams they were CEO coaches of after losing in playoffs this year?

And one, Harbaugh was hired by another team rtight away. The other, Tomlin will get hired the day he wants to return to coaching.

Point is the pPhilly media and the lemmings who follow it and WIP constanly ask what he does as if not calling plays equates to a simple figurehead.

20 hours ago, proveagle said:

That being said, I think its harder to consistently be at the top when the HC isn't also ideally an offensive mind that can call plays well to keep the consistency there for the QB and offense. So much player and coaching turnover so its just easier.

Besides Andy Reid, what play calling coach has won the superbowl recently.

33 minutes ago, Rob331 said:

And one, Harbaugh was hired by another team rtight away. The other, Tomlin will get hired the day he wants to return to coaching.

Point is the pPhilly media and the lemmings who follow it and WIP constanly ask what he does as if not calling plays equates to a simple figurehead.

Besides Andy Reid, what play calling coach has won the superbowl recently.

Just so you know I wasn't challenging your point. I didn't understand your point the way you worded it and still don't. I didn't understand this sentence: "Two CEO coaches are in the Superbowl after beating teams whose head coaches called plays." Mike McDonald is a defensive playcaller.

The only three coaches since 2000 that have won multiple super bowls are Tom Coughlin (called his own plays multiple seasons), Bill Belichick (called defense and Tom Brady drove that team on offense), and Andy Reid. Everyone else has won one SB in the last 26 years. This is 10 out of 26 right there.

Of all the coaches that have won since 2000 13 were offensive play callers. If I include defensive play callers that number grows to 23. Arguably the only head coaches to win a Super Bowl who were not proven successful play callers on either side of the ball were Bill Cowher, John Harbough, and Nick Sirianni.

Again though, I never said Sirianni didn't have value I think hes a good Head Coach. A lot of head coaching is culture, relationships, team building and keeping everyone aligned. I just said I think its harder to be super bowl caliber consistently without being super established on either offense or defense to give that continuity.

IMO this is the reason Belichick won 6 Super Bowls. Those teams combined arguably the greatest defensive coach and play caller with one of (if not the) best QB of all time. This gave them a huge advantage in consistency on both sides.

Edit: I will also add that Andy Reid never won a Super Bowl without Spags. Spags is arguably one of the best DCs and defensive play callers. Consistency pairing together a great offensive and defensive coach that each can call plays and maintaining it year over year - big edge from that.

21 hours ago, proveagle said:

Belichick (called defense

OK , I get your point, but Matt Patricia called the defense and Belichik was a CEO coach heavily involved in both sides of the ball.

I was wrong about McDonald.

4 minutes ago, proveagle said:

Just so you know I wasn't challenging your point. I didn't understand your point the way you worded it and still don't. I didn't understand this sentence: "Two CEO coaches are in the Superbowl after beating teams whose head coaches called plays." Mike McDonald is a defensive playcaller.

The only three coaches since 2000 that have won multiple super bowls are Tom Coughlin (called his own plays multiple seasons), Bill Belichick (called defense and Tom Brady drove that team on offense), and Andy Reid. Everyone else has won one SB in the last 26 years. This is 10 out of 26 right there.

Of all the coaches that have won since 2000 13 were offensive play callers. If I include defensive play callers that number grows to 23. Arguably the only head coaches to win a Super Bowl who were not proven successful play callers on either side of the ball were Bill Cowher, John Harbough, and Nick Sirianni.

Again though, I never said Sirianni didn't have value I think hes a good Head Coach. A lot of head coaching is culture, relationships, team building and keeping everyone aligned. I just said I think its harder to be super bowl caliber consistently without being super established on either offense or defense to give that continuity.

IMO this is the reason Belichick won 6 Super Bowls. Those teams combined arguably the greatest defensive coach and play caller with one of (if not the) best QB of all time. This gave them a huge advantage in consistency on both sides.

3 hours ago, Rob331 said:

OK , I get your point, but Matt Patricia called the defense and Belichik was a CEO coach heavily involved in both sides of the ball.

I was wrong about McDonald.

Yep there were absolutely times when Belichick gave up playcalling intentionally to grow his people and manage being a head coach but over his career and called plays many times and could take it over and a high level anytime he wanted. Coughlin is also an example of that and there are a few others. I don't put Harbough, Sirianni or Cowher in that category.

I’ll say this… when Sirianni has been able to be a true CEO HC then he’s done a great job. When he has to get involved in the offense though it tends to be bad on all fronts. Because not only is he not very good on offense but he then also lets the bits slip that a CEO HC needs to be doing.

With these offensive hires I’m worried he’s going to have to get too involved in the offense again?

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

When he has to get involved in the offense though it tends to be bad on all fronts.

Help me understand this. The media says its Sirianni's offense. They've been to 2 superbowls and won one. Nick only called plays for 4 games in his first year before giving the play calling to Stuchen. Why does the media scorn Sirianni's offense and Sirianni's play calling?

3 minutes ago, Rob331 said:

Help me understand this. The media says its Sirianni's offense. They've been to 2 superbowls and won one. Nick only called plays for 4 games in his first year before giving the play calling to Stuchen. Why does the media scorn Sirianni's offense and Sirianni's play calling?

Because when he’s been more involved the offense has been bad? Because actually since he’s been here the pass offense hasn’t been very good (other than 2022). Because he’s the HC and he’s meant to be an offensive coach.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Because when he’s been more involved the offense has been bad? Because actually since he’s been here the pass offense hasn’t been very good (other than 2022). Because he’s the HC and he’s meant to be an offensive coach.

We have to agree to disagree. It's his offense and good OC's took it to the superbowl twice. Bad OC's make it look bad and that's also happened twice.

Nick called plays for 4 games in his first year and struggled, but don't forget Kellen Moore also struggles for the first part of the Superbowl season. I say this fact alone shows the distain for Nick's play calling ability is a myth.

By the way. When are you going to post a mock draft in that forum. You're missed.

1 hour ago, Rob331 said:

We have to agree to disagree. It's his offense and good OC's took it to the superbowl twice. Bad OC's make it look bad and that's also happened twice.

Nick called plays for 4 games in his first year and struggled, but don't forget Kellen Moore also struggles for the first part of the Superbowl season. I say this fact alone shows the distain for Nick's play calling ability is a myth.

But the passing offense wasn’t good last year. It wasn’t great in pretty much every year since he and Jalen have been here…

Nicks offensive roots are primarly earhart-perkins and air coryell. Think patriots and rams under Martz and Cowboys under Norv Turner. etc. Those systems independently are proven and fine.

But its a timing based passing game predicated on absolute timing where WR and QB have to make same reads and throws need to be on time with anticipation to a spot with accuracy. IMO they haven't coached it well but more importantly they haven't reliably called it well and made in-game adjustments. It's also some mashup and I have no idea how disjointed that mashup might be. I think the run game became disjointed with the pass game in weird ways.

I also think its misaligned to the talents of the team.

11 hours ago, proveagle said:

I also think its misaligned to the talents of the team.

This might be the biggest thing for me. I’m not sure Jalen is a throw with anticipation QB. I’m also not sure that plays to AJs strengths. He’s a Great WR who’s physical and has really good speed for his size but I’m not sure route running is top of his attributes?

17 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But the passing offense wasn’t good last year. It wasn’t great in pretty much every year since he and Jalen have been here…

Maybe it's Jalen - check out my latest crazy mock

He pushes out the best Offensive Line coach in the league.

1 hour ago, seengreen said:

He pushes out the best Offensive Line coach in the league.

Despite all of Sirianni's limitations in scheme and playcalling as a supposed offensive HC, I always gave him credit as a good culture guy and team builder CEO HC. This whole thing with Stout IMO wrecks that thinking. Makes me wonder how much he has had a hand in the drama from 2023 through 2025. Nothing wrecks culture like having everyone see you side with your buddy even though your buddy isn't getting it done and your HOF offensive line coach should be the one you are leaning into with some other guys.

At this point I wish they had just cleaned house this offseason and got rid of Sirianni.

We are about to find out what Nick really does, because his coaching staff is on the brink of implosion, and his team will be looking at him for the answers.

I'll give Siri credit for one thing - and it's a big thing. He led the team to the number 3 seed when the OL was ravaged with injuries. Previous two times that happened - 2020 and 2012, the team tanked and the head coach was fired.