19 hours ago, seengreen said:

They can toot out this being a process all they want. A team with a rabid fan base, winning culture, winning performances on the field. Best in the business Owner and Front Office. 1st class organization does not have these issues.

Since Lurie’s been here, the team always seems to do things this way especially when it comes to head coaches. I mean no one wanted most of their coaches. AR was the QB coach at GB when the gave him the head chair and never really called plays. DP rarely called plays when he was hired and was not on anyone’s list for hiring at the time. Sirianni was very obscure when he got the job. Chip Kelly was the biggest name they hired and secondly Ray Rhodes. They draw this thing out and rarely choose the guy people think they should, but somehow they usually make it work. When it comes to this organization you probably will never get elite named people, because the Eagles have no desire to give up too much power thanks to them a) winning Super Bowls their FO controlling way and b) how everything went to crap giving all that power to the Chippah.

I am curious if the team would allow the new OC to take over the run game as well. Stoutland being the RGC could also have some factor in who wants this job too. I mean how much power will this new OC wield in the long run?

40 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Big Red was just a QB coach at onetime too. You never know how things will turn out, but truthfully Sirianni’s poor play calling skills are the biggest issue here.

One HUGE difference though is that Reid had several years of actual coaching experience in college and then 7 years in GB before becoming our HC. Manion has 2 total years of coaching experience with no notable impact.

has anyone thought maybe offensive coordinator candidate's don't want to be associated with the tush push? Every short yardage play is just qb sneak and then when it DOESNT work the OC looks like a idiot. I knew all this tush push business was going to bite us in the ass eventually.

10 minutes ago, Geemen said:

has anyone thought maybe offensive coordinator candidate's don't want to be associated with the tush push? No, why would anyone make that connection. Seems like a very far reach. It's not like the Eagles are the only team that uses it. There are plenty of teams who use it. Why would that one play affect the OCs decision at all?

Every short yardage play is just qb sneak and then when it DOESNT work the OC looks like a idiot. Really? I'm not sure it does. Why would any failed short yardage play not make the OC look any better or worse?

I knew all this tush push business was going to bite us in the ass eventually. From "has anyone thought maybe" to I knew it!

This is a very very very far reach. I think you're really very biased here.

14 minutes ago, Geemen said:

has anyone thought maybe offensive coordinator candidate's don't want to be associated with the tush push? Every short yardage play is just qb sneak and then when it DOESNT work the OC looks like a idiot. I knew all this tush push business was going to bite us in the ass eventually.

Bills likely used it as much or more than us

1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said:

One HUGE difference though is that Reid had several years of actual coaching experience in college and then 7 years in GB before becoming our HC. Manion has 2 total years of coaching experience with no notable impact.

I personally would prefer someone with experience who isn’t looking to become a HC anytime soon. Someone like Fangio, it for the offense. Consistency at the playcalling position has been lacking way too long. This new face every year is not normal how this should go. Most teams who have turnover specifically at playcalling usually take some kind of step back. This isn’t really how things should be done. Speaking of Fangio, just look what happened to this defense once they got an adult into the room. Get someone in there who can run this offense who isn’t looking to bolt as soon as they can or so incompetent they need to be fired.

2nd interview, could see an offer soon.

"The Packers think he's a future HC. They love him. Tom Clements was the QB Yoda in Green Bay forever. One of the best QB coaches of the modern era. Mannion was the hand-picked successor. He hasn't been coaching long, that's the only thing. He's a really bright young coach."

High praise from Peter and many people across the NFL.

36 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I personally would prefer someone with experience who isn’t looking to become a HC anytime soon. Someone like Fangio, it for the offense. Consistency at the playcalling position has been lacking way too long. This new face every year is not normal how this should go. Most teams who have turnover specifically at playcalling usually take some kind of step back. This isn’t really how things should be done. Speaking of Fangio, just look what happened to this defense once they got an adult into the room. Get someone in there who can run this offense who isn’t looking to bolt as soon as they can or so incompetent they need to be fired.

I think this applies to.....Jim Bob. And not Nagy. So, if they hire JBC over Nagy, I'd be ok with that move.

I just have this guy wrenching feeling that the OC hire will be a youngin', with not a lot of experience. And has no idea how to execute a game day gameplan. We saw that with Brian Johnson. And it really did surprise me that KP was so bad, as he was with the team/offense for like 5 years. I expected more from KP.

2 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

I think this applies to.....Jim Bob. And not Nagy. So, if they hire JBC over Nagy, I'd be ok with that move.

I just have this guy wrenching feeling that the OC hire will be a youngin', with not a lot of experience. And has no idea how to execute a game day gameplan. We saw that with Brian Johnson. And it really did surprise me that KP was so bad, as he was with the team/offense for like 5 years. I expected more from KP.

KP was worse than Johnson. Honestly I didn’t think they should’ve fired Johnson. I thought they should’ve given him another season, but ultimately it was the right move, because the next guy helped them win the SB. All of this changeover yet this team has been to the playoffs every season, two SB appearances, and a victory, but no one wants to coach this team? I mean the Eagles got three guys hired as head coaches (not that I want another one of those guys) but can’t find someone to coach here doesn’t make sense. I mean why would a team like the Chargers be more appealing than the Eagles? How many coaches have been fired since Herbert’s been there? What’s so great about the Titans? Heck all of this talk about Caleb Williams too? The guy threw more interceptions than touchdowns during the postseason and is basically the new Jayden Daniels. Let’s see some consistency from these guys before we start anointing players as the next big thing. And hey if Jalen is the problem then I say show me what you can do with McKee then.

17 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I like Jets fired OC. Was Ben Johnson’s guy in Detroit and stats show Jets WRs were open they just had horrendous QB play. Upside is high. My favorite right now outside of Kingsbury

Only 1 year of experience as OC but at this point it seems likely we are going to have to settle for someone with little to no playcalling experience and hope to land someone who can be creative and have a better gut for knowing when to go with this vs that.

32 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Only 1 year of experience as OC but at this point it seems likely we are going to have to settle for someone with little to no playcalling experience and hope to land someone who can be creative and have a better gut for knowing when to go with this vs that.

Well, let's remember that guys who are very good at this, were probably getting head coaching jobs. Even the non-head coaches would obviously go somewhere where they would have a history with the head coach there.

There are others with plenty of play calling experience, but are bad at it, which is why they are available.

The Vic Fangio's are not commonly available. Even most of the ones you probably wanted would only have stayed a year or two anyways.

It does appear that we will have to take a chance on someone, and this organization is willing to take chances....let's all hope that they now know what to look for....also, the Seahawks may have someone this franchise wants? The Eagles will likely provide the shortest distance to a head coaching position....or a demotion.

56 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Eagles picked a bad year to need a new OC.

18 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I like Jets fired OC. Was Ben Johnson’s guy in Detroit and stats show Jets WRs were open they just had horrendous QB play. Upside is high. My favorite right now outside of Kingsbury

No.

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3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I am curious if the team would allow the new OC to take over the run game as well. Stoutland being the RGC could also have some factor in who wants this job too. I mean how much power will this new OC wield in the long run?

The OC should take over the run game. They control offense. Stoutland did a poor job with that title last year. We shouldn't let Stoutland dictate the OC search. If the rumors are true he is starting to give off Howard Mudd vibes of being inflexible.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

I personally would prefer someone with experience who isn’t looking to become a HC anytime soon. Someone like Fangio, it for the offense. Consistency at the playcalling position has been lacking way too long. This new face every year is not normal how this should go. Most teams who have turnover specifically at playcalling usually take some kind of step back. This isn’t really how things should be done. Speaking of Fangio, just look what happened to this defense once they got an adult into the room. Get someone in there who can run this offense who isn’t looking to bolt as soon as they can or so incompetent they need to be fired.

26 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

I think this applies to.....Jim Bob. And not Nagy. So, if they hire JBC over Nagy, I'd be ok with that move.

I just have this guy wrenching feeling that the OC hire will be a youngin', with not a lot of experience. And has no idea how to execute a game day gameplan. We saw that with Brian Johnson. And it really did surprise me that KP was so bad, as he was with the team/offense for like 5 years. I expected more from KP.

I agree - our ideal candidate is an experienced playcalling OC who is unlikely to have head coach aspirations or potential. But I think there are no available candidates.

I think the 3 most likely are in no particular order:

1) Jim Bob

2) Nagy

3) Sean Mannion

Nagy is the safest bet - but if he does well will be straight off to head coach somewhere else next year.

Jim Bob is the middle option - good experience but lack of playcalling a concern. Definitely a hope that we could retain for a couple of years.

Mannion high risk/high reward. If the Eagles love him - fair enough, but feels too risky a move after the alp failure.

1 hour ago, LacesOut said:

I think this applies to.....Jim Bob. And not Nagy. So, if they hire JBC over Nagy, I'd be ok with that move.

I just have this guy wrenching feeling that the OC hire will be a youngin', with not a lot of experience. And has no idea how to execute a game day gameplan. We saw that with Brian Johnson. And it really did surprise me that KP was so bad, as he was with the team/offense for like 5 years. I expected more from KP.

26 minutes ago, Vee said:

Well, let's remember that guys who are very good at this, were probably getting head coaching jobs. Even the non-head coaches would obviously go somewhere where they would have a history with the head coach there.

There are others with plenty of play calling experience, but are bad at it, which is why they are available.

The Vic Fangio's are not commonly available. Even most of the ones you probably wanted would only have stayed a year or two anyways.

It does appear that we will have to take a chance on someone, and this organization is willing to take chances....let's all hope that they now know what to look for....also, the Seahawks may have someone this franchise wants? The Eagles will likely provide the shortest distance to a head coaching position....or a demotion.

McDaniel is someone who fit the first point.

Nagy is someone who fits the second (and quite honestly I'd rather roll with an unknown who may have upside than someone who has proven to be not so good).

33 minutes ago, time2rock said:

McDaniel is someone who fit the first point.

Nagy is someone who fits the second (and quite honestly I'd rather roll with an unknown who may have upside than someone who has proven to be not so good).

My concern with Mannion is he's not only never called plays but is 2 years removed from his playing days and will be asked to design an entire offense. Seems like a dicey roll.

59 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

My concern with Mannion is he's not only never called plays but is 2 years removed from his playing days and will be asked to design an entire offense. Seems like a dicey roll.

Indeed!

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I am curious if the team would allow the new OC to take over the run game as well. Stoutland being the RGC could also have some factor in who wants this job too. I mean how much power will this new OC wield in the long run?

A bunch of teams have a run game coordinator and pass game coordinator outside of the OC. With the magic Stoutland has worked with the line, I think he deserves the title. If a new OC can’t work with him it says more about the OC in my eyes.

People are getting bent out of shape over a guy that sucked in NY and chose the titans. Then another guy that chose the raiders? I’m good on people that want to go to loser franchises.

Last time the titans were good was with Steve McNair and Eddie George. The raiders were last good with who? Rich Gannon and Jerry Rice?

9 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

A bunch of teams have a run game coordinator and pass game coordinator outside of the OC. With the magic Stoutland has worked with the line, I think he deserves the title. If a new OC can’t work with him it says more about the OC in my eyes.

People are getting bent out of shape over a guy that sucked in NY and chose the titans. Then another guy that chose the raiders? I’m good on people that want to go to loser franchises.

Last time the titans were good was with Steve McNair and Eddie George. The raiders were last good with who? Rich Gannon and Jerry Rice?

Stoutland has been the run game coordinator for 7 years I doubt it all of a sudden is an issue