1 hour ago, BayAreaLennie said:

• Saquon Barkley - averaged 4.4 and 3.9 yards per carry under Daboll in 2023 and 2024, made All-Pro in 2025 with 5.8 yards per carry and most rushing yardage ever in a full season including playoffs,

• Daniel Jones - 12-19 under Daboll, 8-5 at Indy in 2025,

• Julian Love - let go after 2022 and made the Pro Bowl in 2023,

• Xavier McKinney - let go after 2023 and named All-Pro in 2024.

Using this is pretty ridiculous. Kevin Byard looked like he was on his last legs when Howie traded for him. Two years later he was a first team all pro in Chicago. Some guys do not work out in situations.

52 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Using this is pretty ridiculous. Kevin Byard looked like he was on his last legs when Howie traded for him. Two years later he was a first team all pro in Chicago. Some guys do not work out in situations.

Coaches being able to put players in position to succeed and get them to perform at a high level is crucial, and I did not see any of that from Daboll in his Giants tenure. Can you name any players Daboll got more out of than other coaches did? Regardless, that is just one set of data points amongst a whole lot of data points I posted. I pass on Daboll.

Monken is my 1 choice. Experienced, successful and should be here for a while.

Reich is intriguing, if he still wants to coach because he isn't going to get another HC gig.

Stefanski and McDaniel would be great. But if they are successful, probably 1 year rentals.

Kingsbury........meh
Daboll - Please God No.

Not impressed by any of the other names being thrown around.

2 hours ago, Pliny said:

Monken is my 1 choice. Experienced, successful and should be here for a while.

Reich is intriguing, if he still wants to coach because he isn't going to get another HC gig.

Stefanski and McDaniel would be great. But if they are successful, probably 1 year rentals.

Kingsbury........meh
Daboll - Please God No.

Not impressed by any of the other names being thrown around.

I’m landing in a similar spot but I don’t want Reich. My criteria: proven guy, adaptable. Strong bias towards a high chance to be multiple years for continuity ==Monken. I’d love stefanski but he’d be gone in a year.

6 hours ago, NOTW said:

Howie Rosemen: AND, if everything works out, we'll promote Sirianni to game day ball washer in a few years so you can take over as head coach.

Seriously, I like McDaniel. He's my top pick. He used some good run concepts in Miami that would work here. I don't see him being here more than a couple years before he gets another HC gig.

This is why I lean heavily towards trying to get Cignetti out of Indiana and give him the HC job. We'd probably only have him for 8 to 10 years but it'd be a good decade.

Thank God!

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Thank God!

I wonder if Sirri will be able to swallow

8 hours ago, NOTW said:

I'd have to think Philly would be one of the best OC situations possible. Very good QB (not great ... but does show flashes at times), excellent WR duo, excellent RB, historically great OL ... have to think the regression this past season was mostly due to the injuries ... hopefully (**knock on wood**), being given full autonomy to run the offense without interference, a great defense to give them favorable conditions, a team that for the most part is continually in the mix for postseason contention, and an owner always willing to open his checkbook. I think he is a quirky dude but he does know offense and could probably get the offense turned around in a hurry ... I think I'd be OK with him. Would just hope he wouldn't get any offers for a HC spot for a few years, that his body of work in Miami might scare teams off for a bit.

13 hours ago, Lambo said:

Using this is pretty ridiculous. Kevin Byard looked like he was on his last legs when Howie traded for him. Two years later he was a first team all pro in Chicago. Some guys do not work out in situations.

So you're willing to ignore all the data that shows he's failed everywhere that did not have Josh Allen on the team because Kevin Byard looked like he was on his last legs?

Holy cow.

Take Josh Allen off the board. What is it that you find attractive about Daboll? Is there anything you can point to that might indicate he could succeed.

🤔

15 hours ago, BayAreaLennie said:

More the stupid thing than the fat thing. Let's look at Daboll's coaching record:

New England (2000-06) - defensive asst and WR coach. Very successful franchise under Belichick, Daboll had a minor coaching role. That Belichick pedigree got him lots of jobs.

New York Jets (2007-08) - QB coach. Team went 9-23 as Pennington, Clemens and Favre all were mediocre under his tutelage, and he was fired by new coach Rex Ryan.

Cleveland (2009-10) - OC. Team went 5-11 and 5-11, ranked 32nd and 29th on offense.

Miami (2011) - OC. Team went 6-10, ranked 22nd on offense.

Kansas City (2012) - OC. Team went 2-14, ranked 24th on offense. Fired by newly hired Andy Reid.

New England (2013-16) - TE coach. Back under Belichick, still highly successful ... again Daboll had a minor coaching role, coaching Gronk, who was All-Pro before Daboll got there.

Alabama (2017) - OC. Rode Saban's coattails to national championship.

Buffalo Bills (2018-21) - OC. Rode Josh Allen's coattails to very good results, but never reached a Super Bowl.

New York Giants (2022-25) - Head coach. Won 9 games, then 6, then 3, then 2 before getting fired.

Only one player drafted during Daboll's tenure or the year prior made a Pro Bowl (Malik Nabers - 2024) during his tenure. Meanwhile, several players let go under his tenure found success elsewhere. E.g.,

• Saquon Barkley - averaged 4.4 and 3.9 yards per carry under Daboll in 2023 and 2024, made All-Pro in 2025 with 5.8 yards per carry and most rushing yardage ever in a full season including playoffs,

• Daniel Jones - 12-19 under Daboll, 8-5 at Indy in 2025,

• Julian Love - let go after 2022 and made the Pro Bowl in 2023,

• Xavier McKinney - let go after 2023 and named All-Pro in 2024.

Watching the Giants during his tenure, they looked continually under-prepared, and with bad game plans and bad game decisions. And he certainly did not pass my "don't look dopey on the sidelines" eye test.

So to sum up, the only real success he has had has been under Belichick or Saban, or because of seminal and/or already developed players (Gronk, Josh Allen). Everywhere else he has been a miserable failure.

Wow....interesting stuff and not in a good way. Going back to the Jets and Cleveland times....kinda have to discard them because....Jets/Browns = perpetual laughingstocks regardless of who is coaching them. The one year in KC he was working with Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn, lol. In any case, his early years could really have had more to do with being on crappy teams with crappy owners/GMs and crappy players.

By all accounts he does get credit for helping develop Josh Allen. Allen was a very "wild" QB in that he had exceptional physical skills and strong arm, but was very inaccurate and impatient. It does seem Daboll helped him in those regards. Buffalo never got to a SB but that had more to do with their defense than it did Allen.

I can't really fault Daboll for all those Giants players either. Giants' OL sucked and it was on the GM moreso about who stayed and who left.

But anyway...I hear ya. Seeing all that info you laid out is certainly something to take into consideration. The real thing about Daboll that concerns me is whether he and Sirianni can coexist since both of them seem to be hotheads on the sideline.

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

Thank God!

Really hope this is true because it's exactly what they need to do.

2 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

Really hope this is true because it's exactly what they need to do.

I would have to think that there were certain things discussed between Howie/Lurie and Sirianni when they met after the season ended (a multiple part ultimatum was given) that included replacing Patullo and allowing whoever they hire to run their own offense (not Sirianni's). This was expected ... we've mentioned this as a likely outcome for most of the season watching the offense struggle and nothing changing week to week.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

🤔

I was thinking of adding him to my list because he's not going to be a HC anywhere, and he does a pretty balanced gameplan..

3 minutes ago, Breeze 44 said:

I was thinking of adding him to my list because he's not going to be a HC anywhere, and he does a pretty balanced gameplan..

I'd probably have him above Daboll. After watching the offense stink it up in NY and so many players leaving and playing much better elsewhere it makes me a bit skeptical of him to be able to get the most out of our players. We've already had enough of getting less from more. I want someone who can get more from less.

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

Thank God!

She's lied before though..

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

I would have to think that there were certain things discussed between Howie/Lurie and Sirianni when they met after the season ended (a multiple part ultimatum was given) that included replacing Patullo and allowing whoever they hire to run their own offense (not Sirianni's). This was expected ... we've mentioned this as a likely outcome for most of the season watching the offense struggle and nothing changing week to week.

Or it could just be Josina Anderson pulling things out of her ass because she knows she's throwing it at people that really want to hear it, I guarantee if the offense fails next year people will still blame Sirianni.

Monken joining Harbaugh again with the Giants 😢. Sadly makes sense but would have been great for us.

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I would have to think that there were certain things discussed between Howie/Lurie and Sirianni when they met after the season ended (a multiple part ultimatum was given) that included replacing Patullo and allowing whoever they hire to run their own offense (not Sirianni's). This was expected ... we've mentioned this as a likely outcome for most of the season watching the offense struggle and nothing changing week to week.

Amen.

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

🤔

Well isn't that special. Huh.

🧐🧐🧐

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

I'd probably have him above Daboll. After watching the offense stink it up in NY and so many players leaving and playing much better elsewhere it makes me a bit skeptical of him to be able to get the most out of our players. We've already had enough of getting less from more. I want someone who can get more from less.

Take Josh Allen off the table.

What is it about Daboll that has him on your list at all? What is it about his resume that you find appealing for the Eagles?