2 hours ago, Vee said:

Ive said everything I can say about Daboll. I just don't understand what anyone sees in that guy. Take Josh Allen out and he's been a loser everywhere he's been. Never developed any other QBs, and never significantly improved any teams offense, but you do you.

Kingsbury would be a slight upgrade from Patullo. It would be another offense that defense can call out plays before the snap. The only difference is that Cliff won't play rookies and younger players, especially those he doesn't bring in. He could never work here.

Why the heavy no on Kafka? I get his inexperience, but did the Giants do so poorly under him? No WRs, no RBs, and he still managed to score points and win games. I'm not putting him in the 'yes please' category, but I'd kick the tires on that.

Why F me and F us on Grizzard? Again, not putting him in the 'yes please' column, but how is his resume worse than Daboll? He could have potential.

Rest of the guys in your F me list have a resume at least equal if not better than Daboll, so I don't see what you're seeing.

F me and F us should be Daboll and Klingsbury.

Kafka would not be an upgrade over Patullo. He's never been a play caller. It'd basically be the same thing we had with a different name, and is he strong enough to hold Hurts accountable? My opinion is we need someone that has the strategist mindset that we had with Kellen Moore, or like a Kyle Shanahan type, yet still have the leadership skills and will be comfortable keeping Hurts in check. That's probably the only way to get AJ Brown re-committed to this team. Question is, who does Hurts trust and respect enough to let hold him accountable?

1 hour ago, JohnB said:

Kafka would not be an upgrade over Patullo. He's never been a play caller. It'd basically be the same thing we had with a different name, and is he strong enough to hold Hurts accountable? My opinion is we need someone that has the strategist mindset that we had with Kellen Moore, or like a Kyle Shanahan type, yet still have the leadership skills and will be comfortable keeping Hurts in check. That's probably the only way to get AJ Brown re-committed to this team. Question is, who does Hurts trust and respect enough to let hold him accountable?

Kafka called plays for the Giants off and on and likely after Daboll was fired. Not pushing for him but he did.

Shanahan types aren’t easy to get and they haven’t all worked out well

Not saying not to do it but there’s no slam dunk

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

Kafka called plays for the Giants off and on and likely after Daboll was fired. Not pushing for him but he did.

Shanahan types aren’t easy to get and they haven’t all worked out well

Not saying not to do it but there’s no slam dunk

you are correct on all accounts. I think what I meant about Kafka was that he has as much experience as a playcaller as Patullo does, which is about a season's worth. It's not a real upgrade.

3 hours ago, JohnB said:

Kafka would not be an upgrade over Patullo. He's never been a play caller. It'd basically be the same thing we had with a different name, and is he strong enough to hold Hurts accountable? My opinion is we need someone that has the strategist mindset that we had with Kellen Moore, or like a Kyle Shanahan type, yet still have the leadership skills and will be comfortable keeping Hurts in check. That's probably the only way to get AJ Brown re-committed to this team. Question is, who does Hurts trust and respect enough to let hold him accountable?

Mike Kafka has called plays extensively in the NFLas the New York Giants' Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator, taking over play-calling duties for most of his tenure under Brian Daboll and continuing even as interim head coach, making him an experienced NFL play-caller. 

Key Details:

• Role: Served as the primary play-caller for the Giants' offense for significant periods.

• Under Daboll: Shared play-calling duties with Head Coach Brian Daboll, with Daboll occasionally taking over, but Kafka was designated to call plays for the 2025 season before Daboll's firing.

• Interim Head Coach: After Daboll's departure, Kafka became the interim head coach and continued calling plays from the sideline.

• Experience: Came to the Giants after working with the Chiefs, developing quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes, and has been with the Giants since 2022. 

Eagles' search for a new OC is definitely being handicapped by all the HC openings. If we want any of the top available OC's, we are gonna have to wait and see if Howie/Lurie's top targets get HC jobs first. Then after that, see which HC jobs are filled by defensive head coaches who will surely want to bring in a good OC that would have obvious total control over the offense (whereas we are muddied here because of Sirianni).

The only exception would be if a candidate either knew he wasn't getting a HC job or at least knew he wasn't getting any of the jobs he'd want. I have to imagine coaches not just accepting any HC job just because it's a HC job...I'd like to think that they would be choosy and be sure they go to the right situation.

22 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Why wouldn't we be able to?

Oh we could.. I'm just have no interest in him, but that's me..and now it looks like he is going back to KC taking Nagy's spot.

Interviewing Daboll today.

16 minutes ago, RainWave23 said:

Interviewing Daboll today.

I'd rather Joe Brady or Mike McDaniel. But Daboll is an upgrade for us.

20 minutes ago, time2rock said:

That an interview or hire?

17 hours ago, Gannan said:

National Championship with Alabama.

There's also the eye ball test. I saw them do creative things with Saquan when he was in NY. they schemed him into open space. The Giants had terrible offensive line play, and it killed Jones and them...just like it killed us this year. Everyone wonders why Nick Foles was great with the Eagles and terrible with the Rams and Jags...same reason.

National Championship? The one after benching our current starting Super Bowl winning QB? I'm not sure he's the guy I would credit with that NCAA College Football Championship. But ok, that's something.

Eye ball test? That would certainly be subjective. Eye balls have seen what he looks like on the sidelines in NYC, and it wasn't good. I don't think you can eyeball test a coach with as poor a record as Daboll. I'll give you the Natty, but you can't be serious with eyeball test.

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That an interview or hire?

Oh F I didn't realize the snip cut off the info about an interview being conducted today. Thanks ... I'll edit the post to include that (it's kinda helpful ).

3 minutes ago, Vee said:

National Championship? The one after benching our current starting Super Bowl winning QB? I'm not sure he's the guy I would credit with that NCAA College Football Championship. But ok, that's something.

Eye ball test? That would certainly be subjective. Eye balls have seen what he looks like on the sidelines in NYC, and it wasn't good. I don't think you can eyeball test a coach with as poor a record as Daboll. I'll give you the Natty, but you can't be serious with eyeball test.

You said he never won anything. Being an OC on a national championship team is winning something. You can qualify it all you want, but he's won. That's objective fact.

16 hours ago, SB52 said:

Turning around Allen’s career and winning Coach of the Year isn’t exactly "failing miserably.”

If you just look at the rest of the words in that sentence you're quoting me from, it says "except when Josh Allen was on the team". Has anything changed with Josh Allen since Daboll has left?

How can you say he "turned around Allen's career". Daboll got to Buffalo in 2018. Josh Allen was drafted in 2018. Your statement makes no sense. We will never know what Josh Allen would have looked like as a NFL QB without Daboll, but you can probably make a pretty easy argument that he'd end up exactly where he is today.

15 hours ago, JohnB said:

Kafka would not be an upgrade over Patullo. He's never been a play caller. It'd basically be the same thing we had with a different name, and is he strong enough to hold Hurts accountable? My opinion is we need someone that has the strategist mindset that we had with Kellen Moore, or like a Kyle Shanahan type, yet still have the leadership skills and will be comfortable keeping Hurts in check. That's probably the only way to get AJ Brown re-committed to this team. Question is, who does Hurts trust and respect enough to let hold him accountable?

Kafka called plays in NYC. Furthermore, Kafka took over for Daboll after he was fired from the Giants after his Week 10 loss this past season.

If you're looking for who Jalen Hurts trusts and respects, perhaps that would be Lincoln Riley, his coach from Oklahoma? Can't imagine it would be the coach that benched him at Alabama (Daboll).

2 hours ago, JamesK said:

I'd rather Joe Brady or Mike McDaniel. But Daboll is an upgrade for us.

I’d be happy with any of those three to be honest. Not sure Brady or McDaniel are realistic though. I think they end up elsewhere. I wouldn’t let Daboll leave

10 minutes ago, Gannan said:

You said he never won anything. Being an OC on a national championship team is winning something. You can qualify it all you want, but he's won. That's objective fact.

OK, he was on a team that won, I concede that. He was the Co-Offensive Coordinator for that one singular season in Alabama. Alabama also won in 2015 and 2020, without Daboll, so I'm not sure how integral he was for that one particular year....but if you want to say that Daboll is the one that won it that year, then I'll agree.

Now how well he'll get along with the QB he benched at halftime of that same championship game is another angle for consideration.

"Have yet to convince Mike McDaniel to interview"

If true, would love to know why (Hurts? Fangio? Sirianni? All 3?). He apparently DID interview with the Bucs for their OC job but won't interview with us?

Does Vic hold grudges? McDaniel wouldn't be his boss like he was with Dolphins

I could see Hurts being a limiting factor. Also Nick still being in control would be an issue

1 hour ago, Vee said:

OK, he was on a team that won, I concede that. He was the Co-Offensive Coordinator for that one singular season in Alabama. Alabama also won in 2015 and 2020, without Daboll, so I'm not sure how integral he was for that one particular year....but if you want to say that Daboll is the one that won it that year, then I'll agree.

Now how well he'll get along with the QB he benched at halftime of that same championship game is another angle for consideration.

I believe that was Nick Saban's decision.

1 hour ago, Vee said:

Kafka called plays in NYC. Furthermore, Kafka took over for Daboll after he was fired from the Giants after his Week 10 loss this past season.

If you're looking for who Jalen Hurts trusts and respects, perhaps that would be Lincoln Riley, his coach from Oklahoma? Can't imagine it would be the coach that benched him at Alabama (Daboll).

What you’re saying is not based in reality.

Just now, SB52 said:

What you’re saying is not based in reality.

What part?

6 hours ago, JamesK said:

I'd rather Joe Brady or Mike McDaniel. But Daboll is an upgrade for us.

Joe Brady would be cool, they might promote him in Buffalo tbh.

3 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

"Have yet to convince Mike McDaniel to interview"

If true, would love to know why (Hurts? Fangio? Sirianni? All 3?). He apparently DID interview with the Bucs for their OC job but won't interview with us?

McDaniel might want to be HC.

Also - it’s possible this isn’t based in the "convince” and the Eagles actually don’t like Mike’s style or attitude/presence as a coach in their organization.