January 27Jan 27 1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said: but clearly this group has taken a step back due to age and injuries.Fortunately for us, every other O-line in the NFL also aged and dealt with injuries. It's part of football, people. Nobody gets younger. Everybody gets hurt. The severity of injuries vary. NFL players have access to the best medical resources, the best rehab / training facilities, etc... But fans always want to believe that "this" injury is different or worse in some way. Just a reminder, Landon Dickerson has played in 88 of a possible 95 games his team played since he was drafted. 3 of those missed games were season finale / rest games. BTW, in college, it wasn't 4 consecutive season ending injuries (he did not get injured in 2019), and only 3 of them required surgery. When you study Landon's injuries in college, it was not an issue of his body breaking down or not being able to hold up to the grind, it was from being in the wrong spot at the wrong time and getting rolled up on. That's called bad luck. He has demonstrated the ability to play through pain which is good because a less effective Dickerson is usually better than the backup we are forced to play if he can't go.
January 28Jan 28 22 hours ago, brkmsn said:Fortunately for us, every other O-line in the NFL also aged and dealt with injuries.It's part of football, people. Nobody gets younger. Everybody gets hurt. The severity of injuries vary. NFL players have access to the best medical resources, the best rehab / training facilities, etc... But fans always want to believe that "this" injury is different or worse in some way. Just a reminder, Landon Dickerson has played in 88 of a possible 95 games his team played since he was drafted. 3 of those missed games were season finale / rest games. BTW, in college, it wasn't 4 consecutive season ending injuries (he did not get injured in 2019), and only 3 of them required surgery. When you study Landon's injuries in college, it was not an issue of his body breaking down or not being able to hold up to the grind, it was from being in the wrong spot at the wrong time and getting rolled up on. That's called bad luck. He has demonstrated the ability to play through pain which is good because a less effective Dickerson is usually better than the backup we are forced to play if he can't go.I don’t think it’s common for a 26, 27, and 28 year old player to diminish like Maialata, Jurgens, and Dickerson did especially all in the same season and think that’s normal. Allegedly this is supposed to be their prime seasons so them getting older is a poor excuse. On top of this Lane having a bad foot injury, and Steen not being good enough shows this line took a step back. I know what I witnessed this season and if you believe how they played this season is as good as last season I disagree. The offensive line couldn’t even get the Bro Shove correct.
January 28Jan 28 1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:I don’t think it’s common for a 26, 27, and 28 year old player to diminish like Maialata, Jurgens, and Dickerson did especially all in the same season and think that’s normal. Allegedly this is supposed to be their prime seasons so them getting older is a poor excuse. On top of this Lane having a bad foot injury, and Steen not being good enough shows this line took a step back. I know what I witnessed this season and if you believe how they played this season is as good as last season I disagree. The offensive line couldn’t even get the Bro Shove correct.I believe Steen was the most consistent of the bunch and he had a very solid first full season as a starter. Some fans' love affair with Becton has warped their vision. I expect Steen to build off this and get even better going forward. RG was not the problem. Mailata wasn't much different than 2024. Maybe he missed a couple more blocks, but he was pretty much the same. Obviously Dickerson and Jurgens were effected by injuries and didn't have seasons as good as they could have. Lane had the Lisfranc injury. I hate those. It's not really an injury players are likely to have again, but the recovery can take a very long time. The stress on the foot that causes those is kind of a freak thing and I just chalk it up to bad luck, not "age" or durability.Up through 2023, Jason Kelce was responsible for making calls at the LOS. In 2024, Hurts took over the responsibility, not Jurgens. In 2024 things went well. But were any of the O-line problems we saw in 2025 the fault of Jalen not getting the adjustments right? Let's not overlook that. Nobody is even bringing it up in discussion.I've already explained the tush push woes in other threads. It's my opinion that the team (IDK if it was Hurts' choice, KP's choice or Sirianni's choice) decided that the #1 strategy was to line up and use a hard count twice on every tush push in an attempt to draw a flag and not have to actually run it. The hard count led to more offensive penalties in 2025. If you watch them all again, the most effective tush pushes were when we hurried to the line and snapped it quickly. Those still worked just fine compared to the drawn out hard count ones. I don't believe the O-line play as a unit was as good in 2025 as it was in 2024. I am confident it can get back to the 2024 level and even better with the guys we have. That's because I don't subscribe to the theory that only negative trends continue. There will always be highs and lows in a linear time line. Every player will experience them. Every player loses an assignment to an opponent now and then. Games are very rarely 45-0 blowouts.
January 28Jan 28 On 1/14/2026 at 2:55 PM, EaglesAddict said:Maybe not or the season, but certainly for at least a few weeks or a 4 week stint on IR. Hell, even if Dickerson and Jurgens "took turns" on IR.But ultimately the OL depth is going to be a big area of concern this offseason so hopefully it gets addressed adequately. And hopefully Dickerson and Jurgens can get back to full health...or at least one of them. LJ is a perpetual question mark every year nowadays.Might be a boring draft for the Eagles, but I think bolstering that O line has to be the priority.
January 28Jan 28 15 minutes ago, Talonblood said:Might be a boring draft for the Eagles, but I think bolstering that O line has to be the priority.Agreed. I actually don't find drafting OL as boring any more, lol. Over the years I've come to realize that having a good OL opens up a lot for the offense and can make mediocre QBs and skill players look good.
January 28Jan 28 42 minutes ago, Talonblood said:Might be a boring draft for the Eagles, but I think bolstering that O line has to be the priority.OL for sure. CB2 should be another priority. Likely TE too and depending on what happens with AJ Brown, WR could enter the conversation.
January 28Jan 28 1 hour ago, brkmsn said:I believe Steen was the most consistent of the bunch and he had a very solid first full season as a starter. Some fans' love affair with Becton has warped their vision. I expect Steen to build off this and get even better going forward. RG was not the problem. Mailata wasn't much different than 2024. Maybe he missed a couple more blocks, but he was pretty much the same. Obviously Dickerson and Jurgens were effected by injuries and didn't have seasons as good as they could have. Lane had the Lisfranc injury. I hate those. It's not really an injury players are likely to have again, but the recovery can take a very long time. The stress on the foot that causes those is kind of a freak thing and I just chalk it up to bad luck, not "age" or durability.Up through 2023, Jason Kelce was responsible for making calls at the LOS. In 2024, Hurts took over the responsibility, not Jurgens. In 2024 things went well. But were any of the O-line problems we saw in 2025 the fault of Jalen not getting the adjustments right? Let's not overlook that. Nobody is even bringing it up in discussion.I've already explained the tush push woes in other threads. It's my opinion that the team (IDK if it was Hurts' choice, KP's choice or Sirianni's choice) decided that the #1 strategy was to line up and use a hard count twice on every tush push in an attempt to draw a flag and not have to actually run it. The hard count led to more offensive penalties in 2025. If you watch them all again, the most effective tush pushes were when we hurried to the line and snapped it quickly. Those still worked just fine compared to the drawn out hard count ones.I don't believe the O-line play as a unit was as good in 2025 as it was in 2024. I am confident it can get back to the 2024 level and even better with the guys we have. That's because I don't subscribe to the theory that only negative trends continue. There will always be highs and lows in a linear time line. Every player will experience them. Every player loses an assignment to an opponent now and then. Games are very rarely 45-0 blowouts.Steen was a culprit for many presnap penalties. He was a culprit for moving early on many tush push moments. He didn’t stand out. Frankly none of their offensive linemen did. This offensive line wasn’t good enough. I hope that this isn’t a case of players declining in their primes and just a case of some lingering injuries and a bad offensive philosophy hurting this team. My goodness they were so predictable. They also missed or got pushed into the backfield way too often. There are a lot of factors as to why this season "failed” although I do have a problem calling an 11 win season a failure nor do I get the full outrage that some are having right now. Still they can’t simply run things back and think things will be okay. Steen was not better than Becton, but none of their offensive linemen were better than they were the year prior either. That’s why something must to change and especially on that offensive line.
January 28Jan 28 7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:Steen was a culprit for many presnap penalties. He was a culprit for moving early on many tush push moments. He didn’t stand out. Frankly none of their offensive linemen did. This offensive line wasn’t good enough. I hope that this isn’t a case of players declining in their primes and just a case of some lingering injuries and a bad offensive philosophy hurting this team. My goodness they were so predictable. They also missed or got pushed into the backfield way too often. There are a lot of factors as to why this season "failed” although I do have a problem calling an 11 win season a failure nor do I get the full outrage that some are having right now. Still they can’t simply run things back and think things will be okay. Steen was not better than Becton, but none of their offensive linemen were better than they were the year prior either. That’s why something must to change and especially on that offensive line.Only old guy on the line is lane Johnson the rest are not in their primes are just entering them. I think it's the other stuff you mentioned than age
January 29Jan 29 13 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:Only old guy on the line is lane Johnson the rest are not in their primes are just entering them. I think it's the other stuff you mentioned than ageYeah I actually agree that age isn’t the issue, but something is considering every position on the line was a downgrade despite not every player being replaced.
January 29Jan 29 21 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:Steen was a culprit for many presnap penalties. He was a culprit for moving early on many tush push moments. He didn’t stand out. Frankly none of their offensive linemen did. This offensive line wasn’t good enough. I hope that this isn’t a case of players declining in their primes and just a case of some lingering injuries and a bad offensive philosophy hurting this team. My goodness they were so predictable. They also missed or got pushed into the backfield way too often. There are a lot of factors as to why this season "failed” although I do have a problem calling an 11 win season a failure nor do I get the full outrage that some are having right now. Still they can’t simply run things back and think things will be okay. Steen was not better than Becton, but none of their offensive linemen were better than they were the year prior either. That’s why something must to change and especially on that offensive line.You should check your facts:20252025-10-05PHIDEN407:0421DEN 481718Ineligible Downfield Pass520252025-10-19PHI@MIN302:4925PHI 352116Offensive Holding1020252025-11-16PHIDET311:0631PHI 41136False Start420252025-11-23PHI@DAL214:15110DAL 50140Offensive Holding1020252025-11-28PHICHI401:12110PHI 301524Offensive Holding1020252025-12-08PHI@LAC107:33110SDG 3607Offensive Holding1020252025-12-14PHILVR307:2732RAI 17170Offensive Holding1020252025-12-20PHI@WAS404:26PHI 352910Disqualification / OffenseThat's a grand total of 1 pre-snap penalty. Whether or not 2025 Steen was better than 2024 Becton is subjective. But 2025 Steen was clearly better than 2025 Becton and at a fraction of the cost. Your stance kind of reminds me of all the people that refused to get behind Hurts in 2021 and were still refusing to let go of Wentz. Just for kicks/comparison, let me post Becton's 3rd NFL season:0232023-09-11NYJBUF103:01110NYJ 2203Ineligible Downfield PassD20232023-09-11NYJBUF302:49312NYJ 33613Offensive HoldingD20232023-09-17NYJ@DAL314:18312NYJ 231018False Start520232023-09-17NYJ@DAL411:41210NYJ 401027Offensive HoldingD20232023-09-17NYJ@DAL407:21110NYJ 411030False Start520232023-10-01NYJKAN209:42110KAN 41517False Start520232023-10-08NYJ@DEN105:3731NYJ 4637False Start520232023-10-29NYJ@NYG204:2034NYJ 4173Unnecessary Roughness / Offense1520232023-12-03NYJATL312:11115ATL 33510False Start520232023-12-10NYJHOU101:43110NYJ 2700Offensive Holding1020232023-12-24NYJWAS402:42110NYJ 472728Offensive Holding1020232023-12-24NYJWAS209:3514WAS 4170False Start520232023-12-24NYJWAS212:10328NYJ 15170Offensive HoldingD20232023-12-28NYJ@CLE200:19110CLE 321434Offensive Holding1020232023-12-28NYJ@CLE413:4221CLE 341734False Start520232023-12-28NYJ@CLE402:2332NYJ 302037False Start4I'll say it again, Steen had a pretty good first full year as the starter and there's no reason why I shouldn't believe he can build off it and keep getting better. Not every player that has been under Stoutland has responded to coaching, but Steen appears to be one of the growing list of players that has.
January 29Jan 29 4 hours ago, brkmsn said:That's a grand total of 1 pre-snap penalty.I'm pretty sure that was the one that was called on Steen but it was the wrong call because Steen moved because he was pointing out the dlineman lined up in the neutral zone
January 29Jan 29 5 hours ago, brkmsn said:You should check your facts:20252025-10-05PHIDEN407:0421DEN 481718Ineligible Downfield Pass520252025-10-19PHI@MIN302:4925PHI 352116Offensive Holding1020252025-11-16PHIDET311:0631PHI 41136False Start420252025-11-23PHI@DAL214:15110DAL 50140Offensive Holding1020252025-11-28PHICHI401:12110PHI 301524Offensive Holding1020252025-12-08PHI@LAC107:33110SDG 3607Offensive Holding1020252025-12-14PHILVR307:2732RAI 17170Offensive Holding1020252025-12-20PHI@WAS404:26PHI 352910Disqualification / OffenseThat's a grand total of 1 pre-snap penalty.Whether or not 2025 Steen was better than 2024 Becton is subjective. But 2025 Steen was clearly better than 2025 Becton and at a fraction of the cost. Your stance kind of reminds me of all the people that refused to get behind Hurts in 2021 and were still refusing to let go of Wentz. Just for kicks/comparison, let me post Becton's 3rd NFL season:0232023-09-11NYJBUF103:01110NYJ 2203Ineligible Downfield PassD20232023-09-11NYJBUF302:49312NYJ 33613Offensive HoldingD20232023-09-17NYJ@DAL314:18312NYJ 231018False Start520232023-09-17NYJ@DAL411:41210NYJ 401027Offensive HoldingD20232023-09-17NYJ@DAL407:21110NYJ 411030False Start520232023-10-01NYJKAN209:42110KAN 41517False Start520232023-10-08NYJ@DEN105:3731NYJ 4637False Start520232023-10-29NYJ@NYG204:2034NYJ 4173Unnecessary Roughness / Offense1520232023-12-03NYJATL312:11115ATL 33510False Start520232023-12-10NYJHOU101:43110NYJ 2700Offensive Holding1020232023-12-24NYJWAS402:42110NYJ 472728Offensive Holding1020232023-12-24NYJWAS209:3514WAS 4170False Start520232023-12-24NYJWAS212:10328NYJ 15170Offensive HoldingD20232023-12-28NYJ@CLE200:19110CLE 321434Offensive Holding1020232023-12-28NYJ@CLE413:4221CLE 341734False Start520232023-12-28NYJ@CLE402:2332NYJ 302037False Start4I'll say it again, Steen had a pretty good first full year as the starter and there's no reason why I shouldn't believe he can build off it and keep getting better. Not every player that has been under Stoutland has responded to coaching, but Steen appears to be one of the growing list of players that has.True or False: The Eagles were more efficient running the Tush Push with Becton in the lineup than Steen. True or False Barkley had a better season with Becton in the lineup than Steen.
January 29Jan 29 1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:True or False: The Eagles were more efficient running the Tush Push with Becton in the lineup than Steen. True or False Barkley had a better season with Becton in the lineup than Steen.Yesterday's news. Has nothing to do with 2026. Becton again missed multiple games with injuries and was ranked 84th out of 86 OGs by PFF in 2025. You wether have confidence in PFFs stats or you don't. You don't cherrypick the stats you like and ignore the one's you don't like.
January 29Jan 29 7 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:Yesterday's news. Has nothing to do with 2026. Becton again missed multiple games with injuries and was ranked 84th out of 86 OGs by PFF in 2025. You whether have confidence in PFFs stats or you don't. You don't cherrypick the stats you like and ignore the one's you don't like.I didn’t bring up any stats and especially not PFF made up crap. The bottom line as a whole is the line was worse. Becton last year was better than Steen this year. Saying Steen wasn’t all that bad isn’t my point. The line as a whole wasn’t good enough. Regardless if that is due to scheme, injuries, coaching, or just player decline or slower player development doesn’t matter. They weren’t good enough last year and that includes Steen. Now to be clear that doesn’t mean I think Steen is going to stay the player he is. Perhaps he can get even better or guys can get healthy, but seriously watching the line last year (just off your own eyes and not what PFF tells you), are you really trying to imply the line was as good as the year before?
January 30Jan 30 3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:I didn’t bring up any stats and especially not PFF made up crap. The bottom line as a whole is the line was worse. Becton last year was better than Steen this year. Saying Steen wasn’t all that bad isn’t my point. The line as a whole wasn’t good enough. Regardless if that is due to scheme, injuries, coaching, or just player decline or slower player development doesn’t matter. They weren’t good enough last year and that includes Steen. Now to be clear that doesn’t mean I think Steen is going to stay the player he is. Perhaps he can get even better or guys can get healthy, but seriously watching the line last year (just off your own eyes and not what PFF tells you), are you really trying to imply the line was as good as the year before?No. But Becton this year was awful and he is injury prone. Becton was bad in the Eagles-Chargers game. Even in 2024 he was a good run blocker but very average pass blocker. Becton has somehow developed a cult following from some Eagles fans. He was not in demand as a FA last year. He signed a modest contract that gave the Chargers an out after one year and he was signed fairly late in the process. I'm fine signing him with a heavily incentive laden contract and with the idea he will have to beat someboy out for a starting job. No gimmees.
January 30Jan 30 4 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:No. But Becton this year was awful and he is injury prone. Becton was bad in the Eagles-Chargers game. Even in 2024 he was a good run blocker but very average pass blocker. Becton has somehow developed a cult following from some Eagles fans. He was not in demand as a FA last year. He signed a modest contract that gave the Chargers an out after one year and he was signed fairly late in the process. I'm fine signing him with a heavily incentive laden contract and with the idea he will have to beat someboy out for a starting job. No gimmees.I’m not even commenting on the player from this season or what he did on a different team. I’m comparing the player (AND THE LINE AS A WHOLE) to the player who was there last season and the bottom line is this line at every position was not better than last year’s line. If you think different well that’s your opinion (or PFF’s.)
January 30Jan 30 5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:True or False: The Eagles were more efficient running the Tush Push with Becton in the lineup than Steen. True or False Barkley had a better season with Becton in the lineup than Steen.Weren't they even more effective (tush push) in 2023 without Becton? BTW, Steen started week 8 vs the bengals in 2024 and we ran the tush push 5 times. We got two TDs, two 1st downs and on the other one we still gained a whole yard. Barkley had 108 yards rushing in that game before earning a rest in the 4th quarter with a big lead. Side note, Fred Johnson also started in place of Mailata that game.
January 30Jan 30 8 minutes ago, brkmsn said:Weren't they even more effective (tush push) in 2023 without Becton? BTW, Steen started week 8 vs the bengals in 2024 and we ran the tush push 5 times. We got two TDs, two 1st downs and on the other one we still gained a whole yard. Barkley had 108 yards rushing in that game before earning a rest in the 4th quarter with a big lead. Side note, Fred Johnson also started in place of Mailata that game.The Bengals defense stunk last year. Well they just kind of stink period. Okay I’m not going back and forth over Steen. I don’t want him benched or cut. I just want to see improvement from all of the offensive line. Perhaps another year Steen improves even more and the other guys get healthy. I do think they need to address Lane Johnson’s position and get a guy to be the future. No I don’t think that’s Fred Johnson, but I think he’s a very solid backup.
January 30Jan 30 5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:The Bengals defense stunk last year. Well they just kind of stink period. Okay I’m not going back and forth over Steen. I don’t want him benched or cut. I just want to see improvement from all of the offensive line. Perhaps another year Steen improves even more and the other guys get healthy. I do think they need to address Lane Johnson’s position and get a guy to be the future. No I don’t think that’s Fred Johnson, but I think he’s a very solid backup.For all we know, Lane's replacement could be Cameron Williams. He started season finale and wasn't terrible. Obviously, he has a long way to go, but hopefully Lane can give him time.
January 30Jan 30 2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:For all we know, Lane's replacement could be Cameron Williams. He started season finale and wasn't terrible. Obviously, he has a long way to go, but hopefully Lane can give him time.Yeah I don’t know. Maybe he’s the future Mialata. I guess we will see. On a side note this is a thread about Landon and we have commented on nearly everyone but him. My point is even if a thread is about one guy we can find ourselves discussing a different player. Becton isn’t an Eagle, and likely won’t be an Eagle, but we talked about him too. It happens.
February 3Feb 3 On 1/15/2026 at 7:56 PM, LacesOut said:It's one thing to play in games, it's another to play effectively and efficiently in said games. He should not be on the field if he can't be effective and efficient. Which he (and Jurgens) were NOT this season.For whatever reason, the O Line sucked arse this season. Injuries, scheme, Coaching, etc.....they were awful. Stoutland needs to have his feet held to the fire. He can't get a free pass every season, IMO.So what? Fire Stoutland?
February 3Feb 3 On 1/28/2026 at 9:10 AM, Talonblood said:Might be a boring draft for the Eagles, but I think bolstering that O line has to be the priority.I would be fine if they used every pick in the first three rounds on an offensive lineman - and I'm not joking.
February 3Feb 3 33 minutes ago, hoosierdaddy said:I would be fine if they used every pick in the first three rounds on an offensive lineman - and I'm not joking.Yeah- it all really does start on the lines.
February 3Feb 3 Author I keep reading Becton will get cut. We should jump on him asap. what kind of deal would he garner.
February 3Feb 3 2 hours ago, scottr@pictips.com said:I keep reading Becton will get cut. We should jump on him asap. what kind of deal would he garner.He signed a 2 year 20 million contract coming off a great season with us… he failed miserably for multiple reasons and is going to make like 9.5 for one year before being cut. His cap number with us before was around 1.9 and he made like 4.6 on a one year deal.
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