Eagles need to keep Mannion and lose Siri to another team.

Mannion/Grizzard, I hope, stay at least 3 years. Give me one more, please, just one more Lombardi trophy, and then you can go Coach wherever you want. 🦅🦅

19 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Hurts would absolutely do better than 9 turnover worthy plays in the playoffs with this team..

Stafford had Davante Adams open deep vs Carolina and he flat out missed him.

Stafford goes on these 6 for 17 type slumps in the middle of games with the best offense in the league.

He is not the best QB, never has been close.

Adams and Puka are the best pair of WRs in the league.

Kyren Williams and Blake Corum combined for 1998 yards rushing and 16 rush TDs at about 5.0 a pop.

They combined for 2325 total yards and total 19 TDs

Puka did not just have 1715 and 10 receiving, he also had 105 rushing and a TD.

The Rams line allowed the lowest combined pressure rate in the NFL and they also excelled at run blocking.

You can argue they were the best OL but for sure they were top 5.

I'm guessing you had no clue about any of that. The media just tells you to lick Stafford and you open your mouth and go to the screen.

Stafford was down 11 in the NFCCG and he threw a 3rd down pass into the hands of a Seahawks DB. Then that guy taunted.

That had nothing to do with Stafford. He absolutely sucked on that play.

Tom Brady said that its the OC's job to get his QB layups on throws.

Stafford gets more layups than anyone and he misses a bunch of them anyway.

I will throw every possible stone at the most overrated QB in NFL history, in Stafford.

He is a career 120-118-1 on merit. He is Eli. 2.0

He got to his first SB because Jaquiski dropped a grade Z hideous deep ball popup.

You appear to slurp propaganda so you loves you some Stafford. I watch the actual games.

Wow. That was needlessly aggressive.

You know there are some that would argue AJ Brown and Davante Adams are a top WR duo.

You could probably read the posts here and walk down memory lane on all the wide open WRs Hurts has missed.

You could probably review all the Hurts slumps he's had in games.

I've watched a ton of Rams games. That bad game in Chicago... did you see the uncharacteristic Puka drops. Look, I agree he is the best WR in the game, but that guy had an awful game. Unfortunately those drops equate to incomplete passes.

I am a diehard Eagles fan, but this post of yours makes it seem like Hurts has a perfect passer game with no "turnover worthy" throws. I never said Stafford is a perfect passer, but either is Hurts. Stafford takes more risks on his throws. He will throw the ball to his WRs assuming he will get open. Hurts needs to see the WR get open before he's willing to throw it. That riskier throw comes with it's rewards.... as does the more conservative approach. With an elite defense like the Eagles, Hurts could afford to take a few more risks and complete more than 20/35 passes against a 3rd rate San Fran defense, as Seattle showed everyone.

Hurts loss to the 49ers had him complete the same amount of passes as Staffords loss to the Seahawks. He more than doubled Hurts' average yards on completions. Yeah, you're gonna get some "turnover worthy" throws, that's the difference between completing 20 passes for 375 yards and 3 TDs and 185 and 1 TD. With an elite defense, it's simply not enough.

I'm not sure what your hate against Stafford is, but I can at least appreciate a good QB when I see one, even if he's not wearing Eagle green.

20 hours ago, proveagle said:

I agree Stafford is a good QB. But if I am picking between him and Hurts today for my franchise (imagining I am owner/GM) I would stick with Hurts.

I agree. Stafford is one sack away from the end of his career. He's gonna be 39 next season. The end is certainly near. The Rams, so far, have no backup plan for this. They are all in on one player.

20 hours ago, SkippyX said:

The last play of Hurts' season was trying to throw with nobody open. This is a character flaw, apparently.

The last play of Stafford's season was trying to throw with nobody open. He almost won the Super Bowl again!

You know, like last year when he held the ball too long and Carter mauled him like a Grizzly.

Then he threw the ball at the out of bounds stripe on 4th down.

You realize that a simiarly slam dunk post can be made about Hurts' first Super Bowl against the Chiefs? That fumble he had lost them that game. Now remember, there is no Chief that was credited with causing that fumble, he just botched it.

Knowing you, you'll probably applaud Hurts for creating that fumble too? I hate that you've made me argue against my own QB, but they all make mistakes, even the best of them.

I remember watching that game in the snow, and I will not believe you if told me you were not sweating as the Rams started moving the ball against the Eagles on that last drive....

On 1/31/2026 at 3:28 PM, time2rock said:

Yeah I had to look it up after seeing that to see if it was really a thing. And you are right, it is a British idiom for something completely useless.

I think perhaps I was too harsh… a chocolate fire guard would offer some protection for a short while therefore having a mild use. Sirianni on the other hand… 😝

6 hours ago, Vee said:

You realize that a simiarly slam dunk post can be made about Hurts' first Super Bowl against the Chiefs? That fumble he had lost them that game. Now remember, there is no Chief that was credited with causing that fumble, he just botched it.

Knowing you, you'll probably applaud Hurts for creating that fumble too? I hate that you've made me argue against my own QB, but they all make mistakes, even the best of them.

I remember watching that game in the snow, and I will not believe you if told me you were not sweating as the Rams started moving the ball against the Eagles on that last drive....

Go ahead and find something similar for Hurts in 2022.

Go ahead and find something similar in 2024

Stafford lickers love the Hurts fumble in 2022 and his pick in 2024.

They all forget that Stafford had 2 picks and only scored 23 in his only SB.

7 SB TDs to 2 turnovers vs 3 SB TDs to 2 turnovers.

Its really hard to figure out which one is better if you are stupid.

How about NFCCGs?

Hurts 5 TDs 0 turnovers.

Stafford 5 TDs 1 turnover and 3 drops thrown into the hands of the defense. (Jaquiski, Woolen, Witherspoon)

This is some simple stuff unless you have a weird agenda to hate your own QB.

Let me know if you need pictures, lol

For a second, you think maybe it was a 50/50 ball that Jaquiski dropped but the other guy near him is a ref, not a Ram. That throw was grade Z 💩

BTW, this is proof that many of you are Stafford Propaganda fans and not Eagles fans.

Wild Card - Detroit Lions at Dallas Cowboys - January 4th...

When Stafford and Detroit comes up, you zombies just say:

"His team was bad in Detroit" "He had no chance" "I have no free will to search Google" "Must believe the lies!"

In 2014 he had Suh, Slay, and 2 more All Pros on defense (Glover Quinn with 7 picks and DeAndre Levy at LB)

That D was ranked 2 3 in points and yards.

Stafford lost the Wildcard game by himself, 24-20

Stafford had a pick and 2 lost fumbles. If Hurts played like that in the playoffs you would riot.

The D almost won the game for them anyway, but the refs picked up a flag at the end.

They lost the division to the Packers by 1 game.

Stafford lost 17-14 to the 9-7 Bills and 14-6 to 11-5 Arizona.

Arizona gave up 17+ nine times.

Buffalo gave up 17+ nine times.

If he wins those games then Detroit has the 1 seed instead of Seattle.

Stafford was nowhere near good enough that year, how rare!

Your pathetic propaganda driven self thinks his team held him back in that year. Its a core part of your identity.

The delusion goes something like every other QB is a victim and your team is a victim of Hurts.

Its a cult.

Then you clowns think there is no way that Stafford could be bad with Patullo and AJ not trying.

You project this mediocrity as some savior that would have won 14 games with instant middle pressure, hitches, and Calcaterra.

It would be funny if it was not so pathetic.

Its a cult.

How did this turn into a Stafford thread?

10 hours ago, SkippyX said:

BTW, this is proof that many of you are Stafford Propaganda fans and not Eagles fans.

Wild Card - Detroit Lions at Dallas Cowboys - January 4th...

When Stafford and Detroit comes up, you zombies just say:

"His team was bad in Detroit" "He had no chance" "I have no free will to search Google" "Must believe the lies!"

In 2014 he had Suh, Slay, and 2 more All Pros on defense (Glover Quinn with 7 picks and DeAndre Levy at LB)

That D was ranked 2 3 in points and yards.

Stafford lost the Wildcard game by himself, 24-20

Stafford had a pick and 2 lost fumbles. If Hurts played like that in the playoffs you would riot.

The D almost won the game for them anyway, but the refs picked up a flag at the end.

They lost the division to the Packers by 1 game.

Stafford lost 17-14 to the 9-7 Bills and 14-6 to 11-5 Arizona.

Arizona gave up 17+ nine times.

Buffalo gave up 17+ nine times.

If he wins those games then Detroit has the 1 seed instead of Seattle.

Stafford was nowhere near good enough that year, how rare!

Your pathetic propaganda driven self thinks his team held him back in that year. Its a core part of your identity.

The delusion goes something like every other QB is a victim and your team is a victim of Hurts.

Its a cult.

"Stafford propaganda!"

Holy crap, you sound dumb silly as F hahahahaha. Its entirely possible to believe another player had a great season and still be an Eagles fan, but you should write a few more essays for me to laugh at anyway.

More importantly who the hell is Brian Nemhauser?

SkippyX, you seem to lean into the spectrum.

3 minutes ago, Vee said:

More importantly who the hell is Brian Nemhauser?

SkippyX, you seem to lean into the spectrum.

I stopped reading after the first sentence had the word propaganda in it lmao, but id really like for him to post some more anyway

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

How did this turn into a Stafford thread?

Skippy, is how.

His hate runs............deep. It flows, through his veins. It courses itself to be prevalent on a daily basis. He cannot escape it.

He is........Skippy. The Greatest Hater on this MB. 🤓

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

How did this turn into a Stafford thread?

Skippy will randomly attack any and all QBs to praise Hurts

It's why I have him on ignore sadly I can still see his posts getting quoted by others

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

How did this turn into a Stafford thread?

It's now become a Skippy thread. 😎😎😎

Not to derail the thread but Mannion was West play caller for the east-west shrine bowl. The West won 21-17 including a late final drive to win it. Two TD's and three FG's. His QB's didn't help him out. Bad fumble at mid field and one fumbled away 6 points in the end zone.

For some reason, neither team kicked an XP. Not sure if that's a thing or a game decision.

Basic takeaways, stolen from BGN mostly. He installed a McVay style offense, highly sequenced that sets up tendencies to be exploited. It's a better system than the myriad of hitch concepts we saw last year so out of the box better.

It's one thing to drive dads car in an empty parking lot and quite a different experience on the autobahn. He's starting from a good base but does he have the chops to make it fly.

I just wonder if Mannion and the new coaches bring in new concepts? Or do they keep running a "Sirianni" offense? Because the Patullo and Brian Johnson offenses were not very good. They were in-house hires who couldn't say "no" to Siri and Hurts. Kellen Moore was able to break them and tell them what worked.

The new coaches don't come in with any play calling experience. But I do not believe the coaches that had experience were going to be available. So they will have to prove whether they got it or they don't. It's either great move for up-and-coming talent or it's going to be terrible.

I have no excitement about this. Is this a hire for the future IMO not next year. Will they really let a person with no play calling experience take the reigns. This team is in win now mode. I do hear very positive things about him. If anything it shows that there is "something" going on behind the scenes the made other coaches so no or avoid us all together. Time will tell ultimately

2 hours ago, LacesOut said:

Skippy, is how.

His hate runs............deep. It flows, through his veins. It courses itself to be prevalent on a daily basis. He cannot escape it.

He is........Skippy. The Greatest Hater on this MB. 🤓

32 minutes ago, scottr@pictips.com said:

I have no excitement about this. Is this a hire for the future IMO not next year. Will they really let a person with no play calling experience take the reigns. This team is in win now mode. I do hear very positive things about him. If anything it shows that there is "something" going on behind the scenes the made other coaches so no or avoid us all together. Time will tell ultimately

Do you know how someone with no play calling experience gets play calling experience? They get someone to let the call plays.

Andy Reid was the QB Coach when he got hired as a head coach. He bypassed all those coordinator roles and went straight to head coach.

This happens all the time, it's a bit scary, but I believe Grizzard was added to the coaching team as some kind of safety net. Grizzard did call plays, so if they didn't see something they really liked in Mannion, they could have just hired Grizzard in the first place.

Clearly going with this unknown is better than going with the known coaches that were available. With so many coaching vacancies, this wasn't going to be an easy position to fill. I'm certainly thrilled they went this way rather than the way of Nagy, Daboll or Kingsbury. At least this has a chance of being something great.

I was ok with an OC who didn't have play calling experience if he were a truly bright offensive mind, up and coming coach with a plan who learned under some strong coaches. That's Mannion.

I think like a lot of us, having Grizzard there with play calling experience really helps confidence with the play calling.

Nick will excel as a HC that doesn't have to worry about the offense that much (like a HC with a defensive background who no one expects to call plays either). As long as they manage egos and personalities and Mannion doesn't feel like Grizzard is looking over his shoulder.

17 minutes ago, Vee said:

Do you know how someone with no play calling experience gets play calling experience? They get someone to let the call plays.

Andy Reid was the QB Coach when he got hired as a head coach. He bypassed all those coordinator roles and went straight to head coach.

This happens all the time, it's a bit scary, but I believe Grizzard was added to the coaching team as some kind of safety net. Grizzard did call plays, so if they didn't see something they really liked in Mannion, they could have just hired Grizzard in the first place.

Clearly going with this unknown is better than going with the known coaches that were available. With so many coaching vacancies, this wasn't going to be an easy position to fill. I'm certainly thrilled they went this way rather than the way of Nagy, Daboll or Kingsbury. At least this has a chance of being something great.

I 100% get what you are saying. The only thing I would say is When we hired Reid this team was in a total different please than this team is. We are still loaded with talent. That team was at the very beginning of rebuilding. I just feel a more experienced play caller would be better for where we are now. That being said it seems like none of them wanted the gig which makes me think of some internal "issues" going on. Hey he could be great. I very much hope so. There has been a lot of positive things said about him.

24 minutes ago, scottr@pictips.com said:

I just feel a more experienced play caller would be better for where we are now. That being said it seems like none of them wanted the gig which makes me think of some internal "issues" going on. Hey he could be great. I very much hope so. There has been a lot of positive things said about him.

Let's be honest, it was a very short list.

The risk/reward for the top candidates was pretty bad. I mean, anything short of the Super Bowl would have been labeled a major failure. Even the best rostered NFL teams need a little bit of luck along the way.