I’m with Dave, this sheet is awful Doc. One line in and you already crashed and burned.

The idea is to get back to bi-partisan problem solving.

The F it is.

2 minutes ago, greenskeeper said:

Their recruiting is so desperate they went out and hired Vanilla Ice.

7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Their recruiting is so desperate they went out and hired Vanilla Ice.

I'm getting the feeling that greenskeeper's mom crushed and snorted obscene amounts of Tylenol while carrying him

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm getting the feeling that greenskeeper's mom crushed and snorted obscene amounts of Tylenol while carrying him

I'm guessing late in life brain damage. Stroke or kicked in the head by a mule or something like that. Just the mashed potato brains of a lonely old F trying their best.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

You can help one without giving in to the other

You're trying to fire Patullo mid-season.

8 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Are you asking if we'd rather have a neutered ICE than what it is now? Or are you asking what the actual solution to this bullsheet is?

Like, given the choice I'd have revoked Dahmer's bath-house membership, but that's not exactly getting to the root of the problem is it?

What can be done now of course. Long term the entire DHS outfit needs to be reset or chopped up with tasks moving into other agencies.

7 hours ago, Bill said:

You're trying to fire Patullo mid-season.

Clearly, with hindsight, Patullo should have been fired mid-season. In any case, I was not one of those calling for that at the time.

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

What can be done now of course. Long term the entire DHS outfit needs to be reset or chopped up with tasks moving into other agencies.

Right now I don't see why Democrats should have any motivation to "reform" it knowing it needs to be totally shut down. Block funding at every possible opportunity. Put on as many restrictions as possible. But at the end of the day the consistent message should be "This is rotten to the core and a federal police force doing the bidding of the executive branch with blatant disregard for federal and state laws is completely unacceptable and un-American. The moment we're back in power it will be dismantled permanently, those responsible will be punished, and safeguards set up so this can never happen again".

Now will the Dems do that? Probably not. Cause they're a gaggle of quivering pussees. But still that's my answer.

12 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Right now I don't see why Democrats should have any motivation to "reform" it knowing it needs to be totally shut down. Block funding at every possible opportunity. Put on as many restrictions as possible. But at the end of the day the consistent message should be "This is rotten to the core and a federal police force doing the bidding of the executive branch with blatant disregard for federal and state laws is completely unacceptable and un-American. The moment we're back in power it will be dismantled permanently, those responsible will be punished, and safeguards set up so this can never happen again".

Now will the Dems do that? Probably not. Cause they're a gaggle of quivering pussees. But still that's my answer.

We aren’t far off. They already have $190B of funding via the BBB so that ship has sailed. The restrictions are all listed at the end of the first post in this thread.

4 hours ago, Gannan said:

It can't be saved or redeemed. It is a secret police force loyal to one man. You can't reform the gestapo to make them a force for good.

I agree with this. Clean house, mainly at the upper levels, and change the name. Back in the early 90s, NIS changed to NCIS. They made the subtle change after the agency had a couple of sheet stains on their records, mainly tail hook, but also their rough interrogation tactics, which I had first hand experience with in the late 80s. I’m pretty sure the dude that interrogated me and a few others when a TV was stolen from the barracks, was the role model for Leroy Jethro Gibbs. He almost had me confess to stealing the tv along with two other dudes I don’t even know. Turns out that actually did get a dude to falsely confess to writing a ton of bad checks in Norfolk. Fortunately for him, they finally caught the guy who actually did it.

ICE need to be gutted and the name changed. Call them the National Immigration, Customs & Ethics Registry!

TLDR

FKKK ICE

12 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Clearly, with hindsight, Patullo should have been fired mid-season. In any case, I was not one of those calling for that at the time.

The only thing that realistically can be done is to reform ICE and turn them into the INS they were before 9/11. CBP is another issue. I knew they had some issues, but I didn't know it was this bad. They're a joke. Like I said, maybe have NG rotations at the border.

The problem is that none of this can happen

1. At the earliest: After the new Congress is seated.

2. Realistically: in 2029.

There's nothing that can be done in the mean time. People voted for this.

21 minutes ago, Bill said:

The only thing that realistically can be done is to reform ICE and turn them into the INS they were before 9/11. CBP is another issue. I knew they had some issues, but I didn't know it was this bad. They're a joke. Like I said, maybe have NG rotations at the border.

The problem is that none of this can happen

1. At the earliest: After the new Congress is seated.

2. Realistically: in 2029.

There's nothing that can be done in the mean time. People voted for this.

Below is the first sentence in the initial post in this thread. My suggestion is obviously hypothetical.

This is obviously a total non-starter both in here and in reality

1 hour ago, justwinbaby said:

I know exactly what I voted for. You all can't give ANY substantive answer to anything. Literally ever. How about one single person acknowledge my question about the SAVE act. Wonder why no one wants to touch that..hmm Or even all the fraud that your party is doing and you are supporting.

On 2/6/2026 at 12:16 PM, DrPhilly said:

Note: This is obviously a total non-starter both in here and in reality due to "reasons" and our sheety us vs. them divided reality. Flame on for everyone to blast me in here. Fire away!

The idea is to get back to bi-partisan problem solving when that is available and makes sense (not a general solution with MAGA around). Combining the DHS funding requirements from the Dems together with the voting reform suggestion from the Repubs into one act called the "SAVE ICE" act (or whatever catchy name you want to give it). Current proposals for both need some serious updates but with some smart changes I'm quite sure you could get the majority of voters to back it. This ain't rocket science but today's positions are entirely political trope based imo.

The SAVE suggestion needs a wider mechanism to be able to register and also a clear description of how to make it easy and very cheap (or free) to get an approved ID or manner to prove citizenship. We can't require a birth certificate for example to be able to register. Naturally, there is no perfect solution if we don't want to centralize everything but there could be a solution that connects SS# and an online national service that States can use to determine citizenry for individuals given a SS# and full name. That would allow States to include the parameter of citizenship when they register individuals without the Feds knowing who is ultimately registered but also give the States a way to determine citizenship without the need for a passport or birth certificate. btw - Funny how the Repubs back SAVE with an option to use a birth certificate as proof yet also back changing birth rights citizenship.

The ICE reforms need to be tweaked a bit IMHO to tighten the restrictions on sensitive locations. For example, what does the term "near" mean? Also, it needs to be a definitive list and can't end with "etc.". Perhaps there are a few other tweaks but most of the other items in the list are straight forward.

Discuss...

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Here are the current summaries:

SAVE

ICE (DHS) reforms

Look man, this is the 3rd time I’ve answered you on this one. Read it here. Several CVON posters are open to voter ID but the devil is in the details.

btw - When I wrote this a week ago the SAVE Act didn’t actually say anything about requiring an ID to vote. It was all about voter registration requiring the ID. That was amended a couple days ago just before it was ready to potentially be voted on in Congress.