I just had a minimally invasive decompression procedure for my back. The purpose was to relieve severe stenosis at L4-L5, which was due to a herniated disc. They drilled two holes into my vertebrae and pulled out matter that was impinging on my central nervous system. So far, it looks like a success. My life will get back to normal, but here's the big difference. I'm not a center in the NFL.

Now I'm not sure what's going on with Cam, but I can say for sure the procedure I had was relatively minor compared to most back procedures. And I was still told no working out, no exercising, and no gym for 6 months. If I were an NFL player, my career would be over, and again, this is one of the most minor back operations there is.

If Jurgens is visiting Columbia for stem cell treatments, that tells me a couple of things. 1) Last year's surgery either failed or he re-injured his back. 2) The best hospitals on the planet (e.g., Mayo Clinic) are probably giving him news he doesn't want to hear. He probably needs a Fusion procedure, and now we're talking about serious back surgery. If so, that's a career ender. He's never playing again.

I'm not a Doctor, but I think this stem cell treatment is like a Hail Mary pass, and his attempt to avoid a career-ending surgical procedure.

Just my 2 cents, but it's based on a lot of relavant, real-life experience.

41 minutes ago, JamesK said:

I just had a minimally invasive decompression procedure for my back. The purpose was to relieve severe stenosis at L4-L5, which was due to a herniated disc. They drilled two holes into my vertebrae and pulled out matter that was impinging on my central nervous system. So far, it looks like a success. My life will get back to normal, but here's the big difference. I'm not a center in the NFL.

Now I'm not sure what's going on with Cam, but I can say for sure the procedure I had was relatively minor compared to most back procedures. And I was still told no working out, no exercising, and no gym for 6 months. If I were an NFL player, my career would be over, and again, this is one of the most minor back operations there is.

If Jurgens is visiting Columbia for stem cell treatments, that tells me a couple of things. 1) Last year's surgery either failed or he re-injured his back. 2) The best hospitals on the planet (e.g., Mayo Clinic) are probably giving him news he doesn't want to hear. He probably needs a Fusion procedure, and now we're talking about serious back surgery. If so, that's a career ender. He's never playing again.

I'm not a Doctor, but I think this stem cell treatment is like a Hail Mary pass, and his attempt to avoid a career-ending surgical procedure.

Just my 2 cents, but it's based on a lot of relavant, real-life experience.

Thanks. That was my reaction too. Sounds bad. Good luck with your recovery. Happily, we have PK and WL and even BT who can play C if need be. When Kobe’s knee was bone-on-bone at the end, he went to Germany for some experimental treatment.

Step away from the panic button.

He just chose to have some non-invasive procedures created to promote quicker healing. It's kind of like T.O. and his hyperbaric chamber. This wasn't some witch-doctor voodoo or 3rd world under the table surgery. He clearly wants to make sure he's 100% this time around for OTAs and camp.

It doesn't really matter what I say, now people here will be like: "Lane and Landon may not be the only two Eagles retiring ..."

13 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Step away from the panic button.

He just chose to have some non-invasive procedures created to promote quicker healing. It's kind of like T.O. and his hyperbaric chamber. This wasn't some witch-doctor voodoo or 3rd world under the table surgery. He clearly wants to make sure he's 100% this time around for OTAs and camp.

It doesn't really matter what I say, now people here will be like: "Lane and Landon may not be the only two Eagles retiring ..."

I'll ask my neurosurgeon. I'll see him in a couple of weeks.

But if you do research, you’ll see it’s generally used by people who don't respond well to traditional treatments or they’re trying to avoid surgery. So that's a red flag right there.

It's not approved by the FDA because they’re isn't a lot of evidence that it actually works.

35 minutes ago, JamesK said:

I'll ask my neurosurgeon. I'll see him in a couple of weeks.

But if you do research, you’ll see it’s generally used by people who don't respond well to traditional treatments or they’re trying to avoid surgery. So that's a red flag right there.

It's not approved by the FDA because they’re isn't a lot of evidence that it actually works.

27 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

That doesn't provide much information.

We can't say this is a "red flag" because we don't even know what his back issue actually is/was. All we know is he had back surgery to relieve back and leg pain and was expected to make a full recovery. Nobody knows what the procedure was or what the actual issue in his back was. We do know that he wasn't "fully recovered" to start the season but he did state he was feeling better as the season progressed. Now he's getting some alternative treatment to further make his body feel better.

Back issues can definitely become a "rabbit hole" of treatments and procedures with little benefit...depending on what the problem is. But there's no use in panicking about Jurgens without even knowing what his actual issue is. He obviously fully thinks he's doing this to be the best he can be this upcoming season...I take that as a positive.

Dickerson, on the other hand...

Time will tell.

4 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

We can't say this is a "red flag" because we don't even know what his back issue actually is/was. All we know is he had back surgery to relieve back and leg pain and was expected to make a full recovery. Nobody knows what the procedure was or what the actual issue in his back was. We do know that he wasn't "fully recovered" to start the season but he did state he was feeling better as the season progressed. Now he's getting some alternative treatment to further make his body feel better.

Back issues can definitely become a "rabbit hole" of treatments and procedures with little benefit...depending on what the problem is. But there's no use in panicking about Jurgens without even knowing what his actual issue is. He obviously fully thinks he's doing this to be the best he can be this upcoming season...I take that as a positive.

Dickerson, on the other hand...

We certainly do not want to speculate.

Generally, nobody is more optimistic about the Eagles than I am. But I seriously doubt this guy will ever be a Pro Bowl caliber center again. I predict a retirement party is near.

10 hours ago, Miami said:

Thanks. That was my reaction too. Sounds bad. Good luck with your recovery. Happily, we have PK and WL and even BT who can play C if need be. When Kobe’s knee was bone-on-bone at the end, he went to Germany for some experimental treatment.

Don't forget Drew Kendall.

If not mistaken, Toth will be a free agent come the start of the new league year. And who is PK?

I do wonder if Lampkin will get a good long look at C in this new scheme.

31 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Time will tell.

We certainly do not want to speculate.

I like to pick and choose my speculatin'

33 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

We can't say this is a "red flag" because we don't even know what his back issue actually is/was. All we know is he had back surgery to relieve back and leg pain and was expected to make a full recovery. Nobody knows what the procedure was or what the actual issue in his back was. We do know that he wasn't "fully recovered" to start the season but he did state he was feeling better as the season progressed. Now he's getting some alternative treatment to further make his body feel better.

Back issues can definitely become a "rabbit hole" of treatments and procedures with little benefit...depending on what the problem is. But there's no use in panicking about Jurgens without even knowing what his actual issue is. He obviously fully thinks he's doing this to be the best he can be this upcoming season...I take that as a positive.

Dickerson, on the other hand...

I think we know more than you think.

1) He injured his back.

2) He had back surgery.

3) He was never the same last year.

4) We don't know the exact procedure he had, but we do know the types of back procedures there are.

5) We do know that even the procedures that are considered relatively minor and routine are big deals and have long periods of recovery.

6) And now we find out he's going to Colombia to receive treatments that are not certified by the FDA and largely rejected by the best neurosurgeons on the planet.  

So did he re-injure his back?  Did the surgery fail?  Does he need surgery?  Is this a Hail Mary?

I keep thinking about Eddie Van Halen and how we was going to Germany to receive "alternative" cancer treatments.  One year later, he was dead.  

Anytime someone is leaving the country for treatment like this, that's not a good sign.  

9 hours ago, JamesK said:

It's not approved by the FDA because there isn't a lot of evidence that it actually works.

I don’t know anything about this particular treatment. However, if this is still why you think FDA gives approvals, where have you been for the last six years?

Also, you should change the title to Colombia (the country).

Lastly, I’ve had the same surgery Kobe and Dwight Howard had done (microdiscectomy). I don’t see how anyone can have any procedure, then ram themselves against 330 pounders three months later.

7 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Lastly, I’ve had the same surgery Kobe and Dwight Howard had done (microdiscectomy). I don’t see how anyone can have any procedure, then ram themselves against 330 pounders three months later.

Yes, and back injuries are especially easy to re-injure after surgery. And then he's lining up against 300+ pound defensive tackles all game, for 17 games.

8 hours ago, JamesK said:

That doesn't provide much information.

Did you watch the 1 minute video? It pretty much showed everything he did there. He had some injections and then several forms of therapy.

https://www.bioxcellerator.com/

17 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Did you watch the 1 minute video? It pretty much showed everything he did there. He had some injections and then several forms of therapy.

https://www.bioxcellerator.com/

Yes, I saw the video. He said something like, "It's time to get healthy." So did last year's surgery fail? Did he re-injure his back? Why is he seeking alternative forms of treatment? Lots of unknowns here.

3 minutes ago, JamesK said:

Yes, I saw the video. He said something like, "It's time to get healthy." So did last year's surgery fail? Did he re-injure his back? Why is he seeking alternative forms of treatment? Lots of unknowns here.

Because he has the money to pay for it or because they reached out to him for a partnership like:

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Because he has the money to pay for it or because they reached out to him for a partnership like:

Okay, but what's the real diagnosis here? He's doing this because it's a partnership? He did say it's time to get healthy.

1 minute ago, JamesK said:

Okay, but what's the real diagnosis here? He's doing this because it's a partnership? He did say it's time to get healthy.

Was Jurgens 100% last season? The answer is obvious. He missed most of camp and then played through pain. Whether he reached out or they reached out, he chose to go with the latest in medical advancements and try something besides rest. Stem cell research is a controversial topic in itself because of "reasons," but it is moving the needle on what is now possible.

1 hour ago, JamesK said:

I think we know more than you think.

1) He injured his back.

2) He had back surgery.

3) He was never the same last year.

4) We don't know the exact procedure he had, but we do know the types of back procedures there are.

5) We do know that even the procedures that are considered relatively minor and routine are big deals and have long periods of recovery.

6) And now we find out he's going to Colombia to receive treatments that are not certified by the FDA and largely rejected by the best neurosurgeons on the planet.  

So did he re-injure his back?  Did the surgery fail?  Does he need surgery?  Is this a Hail Mary?

I keep thinking about Eddie Van Halen and how we was going to Germany to receive "alternative" cancer treatments.  One year later, he was dead.  

Anytime someone is leaving the country for treatment like this, that's not a good sign.  

The key thing is we don't know exactly what his back injury was and what exact procedure he had done....those 2 things make a world of difference when you're talking about recovery, timeline, getting back to 100%, etc. And those are the things we don't know.

A key thing we do know is that the Eagles felt comfortable signing him to a big extension after the surgery he had. No way they would have done that if his long term prognosis was in doubt.

8 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

A key thing we do know is that the Eagles felt comfortable signing him to a big extension after the surgery he had. No way they would have done that if his long term prognosis was in doubt.

That was a mistake. If he can't play, the Eagles will have a huge dead salary impact on the cap. I'm no expert on the salary cap rules, but I'm pretty sure we'll get screwed over pretty good.

13 hours ago, JamesK said:

I just had a minimally invasive decompression procedure for my back. The purpose was to relieve severe stenosis at L4-L5, which was due to a herniated disc. They drilled two holes into my vertebrae and pulled out matter that was impinging on my central nervous system. So far, it looks like a success. My life will get back to normal, but here's the big difference. I'm not a center in the NFL.

Now I'm not sure what's going on with Cam, but I can say for sure the procedure I had was relatively minor compared to most back procedures. And I was still told no working out, no exercising, and no gym for 6 months. If I were an NFL player, my career would be over, and again, this is one of the most minor back operations there is.

If Jurgens is visiting Columbia for stem cell treatments, that tells me a couple of things. 1) Last year's surgery either failed or he re-injured his back. 2) The best hospitals on the planet (e.g., Mayo Clinic) are probably giving him news he doesn't want to hear. He probably needs a Fusion procedure, and now we're talking about serious back surgery. If so, that's a career ender. He's never playing again.

I'm not a Doctor, but I think this stem cell treatment is like a Hail Mary pass, and his attempt to avoid a career-ending surgical procedure.

Just my 2 cents, but it's based on a lot of relavant, real-life experience.

His career should have been over last year, he was awful, there was zero reason to keep playing him, and dickerson .

I commented mid season that both jurgens and jurgens looked done, neither could move and it wouldnt surprise if both retired or were cut, waived etc...and I still stand by that and its too bad as when both are healthy theyre both pro bowl players.

Here's too hoping they both can get right but im not seeing it back injuries have ruined more than their fair share of careers.

Id put cams chance at playing around 25% and Dickersons chances of retiring at 75%

Time will tell. So will the off season moves the team makes.

2 hours ago, JamesK said:

Yes, and back injuries are especially easy to re-injure after surgery. And then he's lining up against 300+ pound defensive tackles all game, for 17 games.

It seems crazy. All the force from both directions would seem to center on that area.

I understand looking into all possible options.

22 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I commented mid season that both jurgens and jurgens looked done

sounds like a shampoo.

Well, when you're playing when you really shouldn't be, one does tend to look washed. The guy is 26 though, so I'd give him the time he needs to rest and get back on track before deciding on his future. I think the pressure to repeat is what rushed those guys back way too soon.