15 minutes ago, MF POON said:

sounds like a shampoo.

Well, when you're playing when you really shouldn't be, one does tend to look washed. The guy is 26 though, so I'd give him the time he needs to rest and get back on track before deciding on his future. I think the pressure to repeat is what rushed those guys back way too soon.

Jurgens and jurgens😂

The eagles would have had a greater chance of repeating had both those guys not played.

Im still scratching my head as to why either were on the active roster.

Its easy to blame patullo and AJ and Siri and for me the biggest failure of last year was the O line play, Jurgens and Dickerson were unplayable yet the coaches trotted them out there week after week and it led to a disjointed dysfunctional offense, not to mention Mailata played like crap as well

As bad as the offensive line played last year the team was still able to win the division and make the playoffs

If the o line can rebound and om not even talking top 5 just not bottom third then the O still has enough talent at the skill positions to compete in big games, if not I expect itll be another long frustrating ugly offensive season.

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Jurgens and jurgens😂

The eagles would have had a greater chance of repeating had both those guys not played.

Im still scratching my head as to why either were on the active roster.

Its easy to blame patullo and AJ and Siri and for me the biggest failure of last year was the O line play, Jurgens and Dickerson were unplayable yet the coaches trotted them out there week after week and it led to a disjointed dysfunctional offense, not to mention Mailata played like crap as well

As bad as the offensive line played last year the team was still able to win the division and make the playoffs

If the o line can rebound and om not even talking top 5 just not bottom third then the O still has enough talent at the skill positions to compete in big games, if not I expect itll be another long frustrating ugly offensive season.

I agree, I think their health played a big part in why the run blocking was so bad, and I do blame the coaches for not realizing that and adjusting accordingly. Either call run plays to the strength of your OL or just sit those guys. Yeah, hopefully they can bounce back next season!

4 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I agree, I think their health played a big part in why the run blocking was so bad, and I do blame the coaches for not realizing that and adjusting accordingly. Either call run plays to the strength of your OL or just sit those guys. Yeah, hopefully they can bounce back next season!

Yup.

The eagles best rushing game last year was with Toth at center, if I remember it was against the commanders?

Toth could get out and pull and run and move and while in pass pro he struggles to anchor he still looked better than jurgens ever did during the season and Toth is a scrub.

Kendell started the last game where starters rested and looked far and above better than dickerson did all year because kendall can move.

Having dickerson and jurgens locked up as pro bowl calibre players for the next 4-5 seasons looked great and now its just depressing as both to me at least look done.

3 hours ago, time2rock said:

Don't forget Drew Kendall.

If not mistaken, Toth will be a free agent come the start of the new league year. And who is PK?

I do wonder if Lampkin will get a good long look at C in this new scheme.

Sorry. Got the names mixed up. Point is we have guys that can step in if need be. The OL may not be as dire as we think. NFL = not for long and the money's great so these guys will play if they can. Just look at Jason Peters. He milked it for all it was worth.

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

His career should have been over last year, he was awful, there was zero reason to keep playing him, and dickerson .

I commented mid season that both jurgens and jurgens looked done, neither could move and it wouldnt surprise if both retired or were cut, waived etc...and I still stand by that and its too bad as when both are healthy theyre both pro bowl players.

Here's too hoping they both can get right but im not seeing it back injuries have ruined more than their fair share of careers.

Id put cams chance at playing around 25% and Dickersons chances of retiring at 75%

I'd put Lane's chance at playing 2 more seasons at 100%, Dickerson playing into his 30s at 100% and Cam playing next season at 100%.

I'd also put off-season drama every year for the next 20 years at 100% with a 100% chance for click bait titles to be effective.

3 hours ago, MF POON said:

sounds like a shampoo.

Well, when you're playing when you really shouldn't be, one does tend to look washed. The guy is 26 though, so I'd give him the time he needs to rest and get back on track before deciding on his future. I think the pressure to repeat is what rushed those guys back way too soon.

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I'd put Lane's chance at playing 2 more seasons at 100%, Dickerson playing into his 30s at 100% and Cam playing next season at 100%.

I'd also put off-season drama every year for the next 20 years at 100% with a 100% chance for click bait titles to be effective.

Thats pretty optimistic.

Back injuries you never know, if jurgens showed up to camp looked like trash like he did last year and cut cut waived retired id be 0% surprised.

If Landon announced hes broken and just cant play anymore id be 0% surprised his body is beat and hes declined every year

Him and jurgens health and speculation about careers going forward isnt just cluck bait its serious questions.

I really hope he gets healthy, for his Football life, and more importantly, his after Football life.

Utebird and I were saying pretty much all of last season that Cam and Landon should have been sitting. They were both injured and ineffective.

Landon was fat, slow, and inconsistent. Cam was weak, injured and looked like he was playing on ice skates. They seemed to miss so many interior blocks, every game. Got Saquon smashed multiple times.

At some point an ADULT should have stepped in and made sure that they didn't suit up on game day. Toth was pretty decent at C. Not sure what could have been done at LG though. Probably why Landon tried to play every week.

1 hour ago, LacesOut said:

I really hope he gets healthy, for his Football life, and more importantly, his after Football life.

Utebird and I were saying pretty much all of last season that Cam and Landon should have been sitting. They were both injured and ineffective.

Landon was fat, slow, and inconsistent. Cam was weak, injured and looked like he was playing on ice skates. They seemed to miss so many interior blocks, every game. Got Saquon smashed multiple times.

At some point an ADULT should have stepped in and made sure that they didn't suit up on game day. Toth was pretty decent at C. Not sure what could have been done at LG though. Probably why Landon tried to play every week.

I was saying it in the game day threads, too. I wonder what Stoutland's role in all this was.

Stem cells in the spine are useless.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Thats pretty optimistic.

Back injuries you never know, if jurgens showed up to camp looked like trash like he did last year and cut cut waived retired id be 0% surprised.

If Landon announced hes broken and just cant play anymore id be 0% surprised his body is beat and hes declined every year

Him and jurgens health and speculation about careers going forward isnt just cluck bait its serious questions.

Injuries are a part of football. Surprisingly, not very often do they end a talented, young player's career. Fans overreact to every injury and want to believe each one is devastating. Correll Buckhalter was drafted in 2001, missed all of 2002, all of 2004 and all of 2005 because of 3 different knee injuries and he still played 5 more seasons until he was 32.

Yes, back injuries can linger which is why people opt for surgery in the first place, but they just take a long time to reach "feeling normal again." Obviously the 2025 season came before that point and he had to deal with pain, tightness and likely less strength than he had previously. It was a struggle and made worse by the other injuries on top of that. That's why he opted for this type of therapy. Even if it doesn't help at all, it's not like it will make anything worse. It's worth a shot. If it does promote healing properties in his body, he'll be able to recover his full strength sooner which, in turn, will help prevent future "tweaks" or recurrences.

27 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Injuries are a part of football. Surprisingly, not very often do they end a talented, young player's career.

This just isn't true. Every year players across the league are confronted with career ending injuries. You just don't hear about it because they might not be household names. Probably dozens.

And then there are players that might not retire, but they’re just never as good as they once were. Carson Wentz is a good example. He was never the same after his torn ACL. He lost all mobility. Before his injury, he was as mobile as Josh Allen and arguably as good. Now he's a backup QB and not a good one. Too slow and no mobility.

37 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Injuries are a part of football. Surprisingly, not very often do they end a talented, young player's career. Fans overreact to every injury and want to believe each one is devastating. Correll Buckhalter was drafted in 2001, missed all of 2002, all of 2004 and all of 2005 because of 3 different knee injuries and he still played 5 more seasons until he was 32.

Yes, back injuries can linger which is why people opt for surgery in the first place, but they just take a long time to reach "feeling normal again." Obviously the 2025 season came before that point and he had to deal with pain, tightness and likely less strength than he had previously. It was a struggle and made worse by the other injuries on top of that. That's why he opted for this type of therapy. Even if it doesn't help at all, it's not like it will make anything worse. It's worth a shot. If it does promote healing properties in his body, he'll be able to recover his full strength sooner which, in turn, will help prevent future "tweaks" or recurrences.

Yes injuries happen and many players return to full health and play after major injuries and knee injuries to RBs are a different animal than back injuries to big fat guys whose j

39 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Injuries are a part of football. Surprisingly, not very often do they end a talented, young player's career. Fans overreact to every injury and want to believe each one is devastating. Correll Buckhalter was drafted in 2001, missed all of 2002, all of 2004 and all of 2005 because of 3 different knee injuries and he still played 5 more seasons until he was 32.

Yes, back injuries can linger which is why people opt for surgery in the first place, but they just take a long time to reach "feeling normal again." Obviously the 2025 season came before that point and he had to deal with pain, tightness and likely less strength than he had previously. It was a struggle and made worse by the other injuries on top of that. That's why he opted for this type of therapy. Even if it doesn't help at all, it's not like it will make anything worse. It's worth a shot. If it does promote healing properties in his body, he'll be able to recover his full strength sooner which, in turn, will help prevent future "tweaks" or recurrences.

Yes many football players have suffered major injuries recovered from them and resumed their playing careers and knee injuries to RBs is different than back injuries to big fat guys whose job it is to push other fat guys around.

Backs can be fickle and jurgens wouldnt be the first Lineman or player to have his career ended by a back injury

IMO he shouldnt have been playing last year nor should have dickerson.

Both of them playing did more harm than good for the team and to their health

I hope jurgens can make a comeback, hes a top 5 center when healthy and we'll see if he can be that again but I havent seen anything to suggest hes going to, then again I dont have access to his medical records and the eagles do, so we'll see, if comes into camp playing like he did last year you cant keep him, he wasnt functional, hes unplayable at that level as is dickerson.

Dickerson isnt just one thing, its a compilation of a lot of different injuries, at this point hes being held together by duct tape and gorilla glue...

Back on the day Sam Rayburn was a promising UDFA DT, he had the 2nd most sacks on the team in 2004 super bowl team, two years later he retired due to chronic pain that led to pain pill addiction.

Dickerson to me at the end of the season interview had the same look Rayburn had when he was done,. The mind is willing but the flesh is weak

2 hours ago, LacesOut said:

I really hope he gets healthy, for his Football life, and more importantly, his after Football life.

Utebird and I were saying pretty much all of last season that Cam and Landon should have been sitting. They were both injured and ineffective.

Landon was fat, slow, and inconsistent. Cam was weak, injured and looked like he was playing on ice skates. They seemed to miss so many interior blocks, every game. Got Saquon smashed multiple times.

At some point an ADULT should have stepped in and made sure that they didn't suit up on game day. Toth was pretty decent at C. Not sure what could have been done at LG though. Probably why Landon tried to play every week.

Yup somebody should have stepped in and protected Dickerson and Jurgens from themselves

Not sure how those conversation went or if they happened but both should have been shut down, it was obvious very early they were both hurt and not able to perform up to snuff, not even close

I think with Jurgens the initial thought was he could play through it and he would get better as the season went on but he never got better, he never looked right, by the end of the season he looked hurt and washed and that he went to another country to get treatment suggests to me that the traditional treatment didnt work as expected. So well see but yeah someone should have sat him down for the good of the team and his long term health. Not sure if that's on the trainers, howie, Siri, Stout, or all of them but someone should have sat him and dickerson and to me of all the mistakes and dysfunction on offense last year the biggest failure to me and the most head scratching was not sitting those two down.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes injuries happen and many players return to full health and play after major injuries and knee injuries to RBs are a different animal than back injuries to big fat guys whose j

Yes many football players have suffered major injuries recovered from them and resumed their playing careers and knee injuries to RBs is different than back injuries to big fat guys whose job it is to push other fat guys around.

Backs can be fickle and jurgens wouldnt be the first Lineman or player to have his career ended by a back injury

IMO he shouldnt have been playing last year nor should have dickerson.

Both of them playing did more harm than good for the team and to their health

I hope jurgens can make a comeback, hes a top 5 center when healthy and we'll see if he can be that again but I havent seen anything to suggest hes going to, then again I dont have access to his medical records and the eagles do, so we'll see, if comes into camp playing like he did last year you cant keep him, he wasnt functional, hes unplayable at that level as is dickerson.

Dickerson isnt just one thing, its a compilation of a lot of different injuries, at this point hes being held together by duct tape and gorilla glue...

Back on the day Sam Rayburn was a promising UDFA DT, he had the 2nd most sacks on the team in 2004 super bowl team, two years later he retired due to chronic pain that led to pain pill addiction.

Dickerson to me at the end of the season interview had the same look Rayburn had when he was done,. The mind is willing but the flesh is weak

Knee injuries to RBs are definitely nothing to be concerned about. Especially 3 of them in 4 years.

Dickerson looked pretty healthy running up those stairs. He seemed to be in good spirits --- unless of course you only want to believe in bad things.

Lane likes playing football and isn't showing signs of losing it. That's why I think he'll play the next 2 seasons for sure. Dickerson and Jurgens are nowhere close to looking like Shawn Andrews (who had appeared to hate football). Shawn refused to come back after being cleared by doctors. Cam and Landon gritted through the pain and not only helped us win a Super Bowl, but put it all out there the following season. People thought Lane was done after he reaggravated the not-fully healed ankle a few years ago --- they said it was chronic and he wouldn't be the same, was on the wrong side of 30, etc... When he had the chance to address it properly, it healed and was behind him. I 100% expect the same with Landon and Cam. Don't let me block your doom and gloom cloud ...

lol @ pessimists.

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Knee injuries to RBs are definitely nothing to be concerned about. Especially 3 of them in 4 years.

Dickerson looked pretty healthy running up those stairs. He seemed to be in good spirits --- unless of course you only want to believe in bad things.

Lane likes playing football and isn't showing signs of losing it. That's why I think he'll play the next 2 seasons for sure. Dickerson and Jurgens are nowhere close to looking like Shawn Andrews (who had appeared to hate football). Shawn refused to come back after being cleared by doctors. Cam and Landon gritted through the pain and not only helped us win a Super Bowl, but put it all out there the following season. People thought Lane was done after he reaggravated the not-fully healed ankle a few years ago --- they said it was chronic and he wouldn't be the same, was on the wrong side of 30, etc... When he had the chance to address it properly, it healed and was behind him. I 100% expect the same with Landon and Cam. Don't let me block your doom and gloom cloud ...

lol @ pessimists.

Again an ankle is different than a back.

Dickerson and Jurgens gritting through pain this year wasnt helpful, they hurt the team, they both played horribly all year and if thats what its going to look like going forward ill say no thanks and i hope the eagles do as well.

Now if they can return to being pro bowl calibre players then great but dickerson has had a downward turn for a couple years now, its not just one thing its a lot. Like I said we'll see, I wouldnt call my hesitancy in believing jurgens and dickerson can be back to what they were pessimism id call it realism.

29 minutes ago, JamesK said:

This just isn't true. Every year players across the league are confronted with career ending injuries. You just don't hear about it because they might not be household names. Probably dozens.

And then there are players that might not retire, but they’re just never as good as they once were. Carson Wentz is a good example. He was never the same after his torn ACL. He lost all mobility. Before his injury, he was as mobile as Josh Allen and arguably as good. Now he's a backup QB and not a good one. Too slow and no mobility.

Wentz was a gun-slinging QB in an era where that isn't tolerated when the negative stats pile up. Wentz would have been a starter his entire career if he played while Favre played. It just so happened he was pretty lucky in 2017 to not turn the ball over much. He was still wildly overthrowing people all season. He was never a Josh Allen style runner in the NFL. He was good at slipping tackles in the pocket, which was a two-edged sword since it led to him holding the ball too long and then fumbling. In 2017 Wentz had 299 rushing yards (4.7 ypc) and 0TDs. In 2020 he had 276 yards rushing (5.3 ypc) and 5 TDs in 1 less game. The knee injury cost him a postseason and that's it. He just never learned how to protect the ball and he wasn't as lucky after 2017.

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Again an ankle is different than a back.

Dickerson and Jurgens gritting through pain this year wasnt helpful, they hurt the team, they both played horribly all year and if thats what its going to look like going forward ill say no thanks and i hope the eagles do as well.

Now if they can return to being pro bowl calibre players then great but dickerson has had a downward turn for a couple years now, its not just one thing its a lot. Like I said we'll see, I wouldnt call my hesitancy in believing jurgens and dickerson can be back to what they were pessimism id call it realism.

100% of pessimists call themselves realists. Look it up.

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

100% of pessimists call themselves realists. Look it up.

Lol 75.3% of stats are made up ..

Seriously though im not sure its being pessimistic optimistic or realistic.

For me id say im cautiously concerned for good reason.

Football is a violent sport especially for big fat guys that are wrestling and bashing into other big fat guys every play, and the injuries Dickerson and jurgens have suffered have negatively impacted their ability to bash into other fat guys at a high level, keep in mind these are interior lineman who fight in a phonebooth every play and wrestle with the oppositions biggest other fat guys.

Im not sure they ever get back to where they were and if they cant get better than they were last year they need to be let go, because they werent functional at that level and hurt the team

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I'd put Lane's chance at playing 2 more seasons at 100%, Dickerson playing into his 30s at 100% and Cam playing next season at 100%.

I'd also put off-season drama every year for the next 20 years at 100% with a 100% chance for click bait titles to be effective.

Play=Yes. But play at what level?????

At what point a fresh, healthy, young rookie Can and Will outperform a walking wounded veteran???

Sometimes..... fiscal contracts obligations, outlast common sense.

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

Play=Yes. But play at what level?????

At what point a fresh, healthy, young rookie Can and Will outperform a walking wounded veteran???

Sometimes..... fiscal contracts obligations, outlast common sense.

You guys act like injuries are permanent. People heal. Young rookies can get hurt too. What center was on the team that was going to outplay Cam in the wildcard game? Toth was out with "an injury." What guard was going to outplay Dickerson in that game? Sometimes you roll with what you have.

6 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You guys act like injuries are permanent. People heal. Young rookies can get hurt too. What center was on the team that was going to outplay Cam in the wildcard game? Toth was out with "an injury." What guard was going to outplay Dickerson in that game? Sometimes you roll with what you have.

I would be really, really happy, if the Eagles bring in 2 studs for offensive line this offseason. Draft or free agency. A backup/understudy for Lane, and a swing tackle or right guard for depth. That along with securing DE position, would make for a great off season.

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You guys act like injuries are permanent. People heal. Young rookies can get hurt too. What center was on the team that was going to outplay Cam in the wildcard game? Toth was out with "an injury." What guard was going to outplay Dickerson in that game? Sometimes you roll with what you have.

I injured my knee in my 20s, my knee is still negatively impacted by that injury, I have a slight limp, mind you im not a pro athlete nor at the time did I have access to top medical rehab care but while injuries heal not all injuries are equal in severity and prognosis.

This isnt some surface level booboo that jurgens needs to just wait for the scan to fall off and he'll be good as new, and with dickerson its not just one little owie he has multiple lingering chronic injuries that are going to get worse before they get better.

As for who could have replaced either.

Pete Kendell looked pretty good to me

The question isnt who should have replaced them in a playoff game they both played horribly in, the question should be who should have replaced them when they got put on PUP or IR to start the year

9 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Play=Yes. But play at what level?????

At what point a fresh, healthy, young rookie Can and Will outperform a walking wounded veteran???

Sometimes..... fiscal contracts obligations, outlast common sense.

One of the frustrating aspects of back surgery is that it takes forever before you know the degree of success. In my case, I knew I had immediate relief. But I won't know if I'm 100% or just 50% better for another 6 months or so. And again, I'm not an NFL player lining up against 300+ pound defensive linemen.

So, I agree with you. He might play, but at what level? If he plays like last year, forget it. Put someone else in there. He was never 100% this year.

If this is for his back(this hasn't been confirmed) then that means it's still not right. If it's still not right, why the hell did they risk extending him last offseason? Just foolish. Another terrible 2025 offseason decision that this team made. Just a brutal offseason for this organization. The driving force for their disappointing season.

I'd be concerned about him long term if his back still isn't right and if by some miracle Tyler Linderbaum doesn't get re-signed in Baltimore, Howie should try to figure out a way to pull that off. If he doesn't return to the Ravens I think Harbaugh and the Giants will be interested, but it's not everyday a top 3 center in their mid 20's hits the FA market.